Shut up, and know your place EU underlings!

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in General Discussion edited January 2014
<a href="http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=524&u=/ap/20030217/ap_wo_en_po/eu_gen_eu_chirac_eastern_europe_1&printer=1"; target="_blank">Chirac blasts countries for pro-American position</a>



So much for just expressing your opinion on a matter. Chirac tells various EU countries and candidates that they should have kept quiet, deferred to France and basically that they are being threated with not being admitted into the EU simply for agreeing with the majority of EU members and supporting the US position regarding Iraq.



We are told in arguments about this that every country has its beliefs, opinions and views regarding this. If the U.S. tries to force it's views on others then it is acting unilaterally and Bush is being a "cowboy." What then is Chirac and France when they threaten others for expressing an opinion that already agrees with the majority of the EU?



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  • Reply 1 of 102
    ha, funny, i thought from your thread title that bush had made another speech today....g



    france has no real power, even in the EU...sorry powerdoc, not meant to hurt your feelings or self-esteem....



    [ 02-17-2003: Message edited by: thegelding ]</p>
  • Reply 2 of 102
    groveratgroverat Posts: 10,872member
    Wow! :eek: :eek:



    "They missed a good opportunity to keep quiet."



    "Romania and Bulgaria were particularly irresponsible to (sign the letter) when their position is really delicate," Chirac said. "If they wanted to diminish their chances of joining Europe they could not have found a better way."



    --



    I can hear Cyndi Lauper singing...



    I see your true colors shinin' through

    I see your true colors, and that's why I love you

    so don't be afraid

    to let them show




    [ 02-17-2003: Message edited by: groverat ]</p>
  • Reply 3 of 102
    Jacques......Chirac to the Planet Rock............don't stop...
  • Reply 4 of 102
    powerdocpowerdoc Posts: 8,123member
    [quote]Originally posted by thegelding:

    <strong>ha, funny, i thought from your thread title that bush had made another speech today....g



    france has no real power, even in the EU...sorry powerdoc, not meant to hurt your feelings or self-esteem....



    [ 02-17-2003: Message edited by: thegelding ]</strong><hr></blockquote>



  • Reply 5 of 102
    groveratgroverat Posts: 10,872member
  • Reply 6 of 102
    tulkastulkas Posts: 3,757member
    So, when will Harald come and launch a tirade against Pax-Franco or Pax-Euro?



    Oh, I forgot, only the US isn't allowed to try and apply pressure to other nations and only the US isn't allowed to act in their own interests.



    [ 02-18-2003: Message edited by: Tulkas ]</p>
  • Reply 7 of 102
    scottscott Posts: 7,431member
    So much for freedom of speech. France and Germany cut a deal to seal the fate of the rest of the EU. Let's see how many of the EU servents want to join NAFTA
  • Reply 8 of 102
    Chirac is satan:



    Oh wait, that's not Chirac is it?
  • Reply 9 of 102
    powerdocpowerdoc Posts: 8,123member
    [quote]Originally posted by ColanderOfDeath:

    <strong>Chirac is satan:



    Oh wait, that's not Chirac is it?</strong><hr></blockquote>



    He looks like Mephistopheles, more than Satan. However Groverat has a mephistophelic class and distinction

    for the devil part i don't know



    Love you Grover



    Yes Chirac react like US : he was really pissed to be contradict <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
  • Reply 10 of 102
    groveratgroverat Posts: 10,872member
    That face is just too cute to be evil!
  • Reply 11 of 102
    With all due respect, France has no right to even have an opinion on this matter. They lost WWII in 3 days, and we had to come in and get their country back for them. If not their loyalty, they at least owe us silence.
  • Reply 12 of 102
    groveratgroverat Posts: 10,872member
    That doesn't really make sense.
  • Reply 13 of 102
    [quote]That face is just too cute to be evil!<hr></blockquote>



    I believe that it was Shakespeare who said "Cuteness is in the eye of the pussywhipped."
  • Reply 14 of 102
    I know he's not the the most popular guy in certain circles, but even George Will's opponents deeply respect him. He put it best in an article he wrote several months ago, where he very convincingly argued that France has no real geopolitical weight.



    If Eastern Europe wants to engage the US in trade relations, they should get together, make sure they have a sea-lane, and never look back. Personally I'd rather have the Americas and China as preferred trading partners than I would Western Europe. The EU blows. The Euro isn't popular. There aren't enough good reasons for a developing nation to join the EU.



    [ 02-18-2003: Message edited by: Splinemodel ]</p>
  • Reply 15 of 102
    powerdocpowerdoc Posts: 8,123member
    [quote]Originally posted by OBJRA10:

    <strong>With all due respect, France has no right to even have an opinion on this matter. They lost WWII in 3 days, and we had to come in and get their country back for them. If not their loyalty, they at least owe us silence.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> The attorney has spoken,France is eternally doomed to silence because they lost WW2.



    What do you suggest for UK then ? If UK wasn't an island she had been defeated in a couple of days also. The join army of UK and France have been defeated in three days.



    PS : my respects are due for the courageous englishmen who resist against the nazis in WW2. I just pointed out that our nations where not ready to react to a modern war : the Blietzkrieg, France did not have the time to react, our frontiers where in common, and the Maginot line where not long enough especially in the Ardennes.
  • Reply 16 of 102
    we've busted out the i heart powerdoc and the adam-satan pictures in one thread.



    also: afrika bambaata? oh my ****ign god, best thread ever.
  • Reply 17 of 102
    Wow! :eek: You guys are having this much fun and this is not even a Fellowship thread.



    LOL <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />



    What is this? Fireside Chat?



    Cheers



    Fellows
  • Reply 18 of 102
    haraldharald Posts: 2,152member
    [quote]Originally posted by Tulkas:

    <strong>So, when will Harald come and launch a tirade against Pax-Franco or Pax-Euro?



    Oh, I forgot, only the US isn't allowed to try and apply pressure to other nations and only the US isn't allowed to act in their own interests.



    [ 02-18-2003: Message edited by: Tulkas ]</strong><hr></blockquote>



    I see that I've touched a raw nerve.



    The US is allowed to apply pressure to other nations (as far as I'm concerned). The US IS allowed to act in its own interests. All countries are (as far as I'm concerned). The US is allowed to defend itself using military force too. The US constitution is, along with the South African freedom charter, one of the most moving documents I have ever read.



    I didn't make up the phrase "Pax Americana;" Paul Wolfowitz, the US Deputy Defense Secretary did (or one of his co-writers on "Blueprint" did). Sorry fella.



    What I don't think the US can do is act unilaterally against international law and consensus, and use military force to enforce the "Pax Americana," which, if I could just say AGAIN, is a -- and this is a quote -- "cornerstone of GWB's foreign policy" as part of the "Rebuilding America's Defenses" strategy as contained in that document I keep linking to.



    You're damn right I launch tirades against the Pax Americana, because it's fcuked up if you're not an American. But to say it AGAIN and hope it goes in, I didn't make the phrase up and I didn't define it. The concept is a shift in how America intends to deal with world, and yes, it makes me angry.



    As for Chirac, well he's lost me now too, just like Tony Blair (who is worse then Bush because he actually should understand what he's saying) lost me a few months back. We're not going to see France train militias in Bulgaria so it's not quite as bad as what the US does (you guys should rethink your policy of training insurgents -- the US is still doing it and it always bites you on the arse) but that does sound like the kind of diplomacy I despise.



    [ 02-18-2003: Message edited by: Harald ]</p>
  • Reply 19 of 102
    groveratgroverat Posts: 10,872member
    Does that still apply if the U.S. isn't acting unilaterally (as is the case with Iraq)?
  • Reply 20 of 102
    rodukroduk Posts: 706member
    [quote]Originally posted by OBJRA10:

    <strong>With all due respect, France has no right to even have an opinion on this matter. They lost WWII in 3 days, and we had to come in and get their country back for them. If not their loyalty, they at least owe us silence.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    They may have lost France in 3 days, but many French fighter pilots (and Poles, Czechoslovaks, Belgians, Norwegians etc) escaped to Britain and subsequently flew for the RAF, helping to win the Battle of Britain and eventually turning the tide of war, making it possible for an allied invasion of Normandy to take place.



    [ 02-18-2003: Message edited by: RodUK ]</p>
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