Patents infringed upon must be legally defended or they will become useless.
I'm not sure what you mean by this. Patents aren't like TMs, if you don't defend them you don't lose them. However obviously if you NEVER defend them then there was very little point filing them, except the defensive point of stopping somebody else.
The newer claims are bordering silly IMO. The Galaxy Tabs would never be confused for iPads, not even the menu screens having any similarity to the iPad's splash screen. But that appears to matter not to Apple. They're screaming "mine, mine, give it back" louder than ever. Personally it looks like they've decided on the courts as another marketing arm.
They're losing my sympathy. In the beginning I felt that had a valid complaint with certain specific phones. Just my take on it.
This suit isn't primarily Design Patents it's primarily utility patents including some hardware patents. They're not asserting that the G-Tab infringes either of the design patents included in this suit.
This suit isn't primarily Design Patents it's primarily utility patents including some hardware patents. They're not asserting that the G-Tab infringes either of the design patents included in this suit.
Thanks for that Cloudgazer. I incorrectly thought they were still trying to assert design patents on the Tab's.
I went into a Best Buy the other day. There was some Samsung Infuse phone set out front. A little kid walked by and said look mom an iPhone. The phone did look like an iPhone. Apple's motive is to 1) win a royalty (like Microsoft), or 2) win an injunction. Out of all the lawsuits Apple is involved in currently, I think Apple has the highest chance of success against Samsung and HTC.
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I still don't understand Apple motives here. Do they honestly think they will be successful in their efforts? What am I missing?
I still don't understand Apple motives here. Do they honestly think they will be successful in their efforts? What am I missing?
I said this before, it is apple strategy to take Samsung out of the cell phone business. Samsung component businesses many times has access to new design ideas of competing company long before the products are release and do not thing for a minute this information is not being share to the Samsung phone and other business units. I have worked with the Samsung and they ask lots of questions and one which are not relevant to the component they selling and sometime they will withhold critical design information until they get the information they are looking for. I know apple is very secret with what they do buy you can be guarantee and information their component busy is doing is being share with their electronic business.
So This is apple way of telling Samsung to get out of the smart phone business, either they are a component company or cell phone company, they need to decide and obviously they have risk many Billions of $ of business from apple because of this and they now announce earning warning for the 2H12 which telling you apple is putting a world of hurt on them. No other component company is giving earning warning in the 2h12 since that is traditional the best time of the year.
and they now announce earning warning for the 2H12 which telling you apple is putting a world of hurt on them. No other component company is giving earning warning in the 2h12 since that is traditional the best time of the year.
And why Apple has to do nothing with this warning?
I said this before, it is apple strategy to take Samsung out of the cell phone business. Samsung component businesses many times has access to new design ideas of competing company long before the products are release and do not thing for a minute this information is not being share to the Samsung phone and other business units. I have worked with the Samsung and they ask lots of questions and one which are not relevant to the component they selling and sometime they will withhold critical design information until they get the information they are looking for. I know apple is very secret with what they do buy you can be guarantee and information their component busy is doing is being share with their electronic business.
So This is apple way of telling Samsung to get out of the smart phone business, either they are a component company or cell phone company, they need to decide and obviously they have risk many Billions of $ of business from apple because of this and they now announce earning warning for the 2H12 which telling you apple is putting a world of hurt on them. No other component company is giving earning warning in the 2h12 since that is traditional the best time of the year.
Folks claim that the Chinese are master copyists but really they're pretty half assed in comparison to the Koreans. The Koreans copy style AND offer high quality once they get their process in order. Hyundai makes good cars with nice Euro styling...they're going to continue to make headway in the global markets that way.
Samsung devices are pretty solid even if they tend to be a plasticly notch down from Apple devices. I could see owning the next gen 7" samsung tab if it were a little cheaper and Apple doesn't have a large iPod Touch to offer.
It's a shame that the Nook Color is still the best Android tablet for under $300.
That said, Samsung isn't leaving the handset business and that's not Apple's goal anyway. Just less direct copying.
Folks claim that the Chinese are master copyists but really they're pretty half assed in comparison to the Koreans. The Koreans copy style AND offer high quality once they get their process in order.
A friend of mine bought a beautiful fake Louis Vuitton wallet in asia, Thailand I think. He said that the stall owner explicitly asked him whether he wanted the cheap Chinese copy or the good Korean copy - he went for the Korean one.
I said this before, it is apple strategy to take Samsung out of the cell phone business.
Samsung are free to stay in the cellphone business, they just need to be more careful about copying Apple's designs - better yet they could try actually creating a well defined design language of their own that clearly differentiates from others in the market.
What's really funny is that the entire reason why Samsung wants to play in the CE market and not just make components is because the cost of building a strong consumer brand is a barrier to entry to new participants. However unlike Apple, it hasn't yet figured out that a strong consumer brand means more than just a nice Logo.
What's really funny is that the entire reason why Samsung wants to play in the CE market and not just make components is because the cost of building a strong consumer brand is a barrier to entry to new participants. However unlike Apple, it hasn't yet figured out that a strong consumer brand means more than just a nice Logo.
I like Samsung products actually. LG too. Still occasionally spotty QA with both brands but I think in many markets they're coming in pretty strong. I can see them becoming equal to Japanese brands in these segments. Japanese brands are drifting slightly down in my mind as the Korean brands drift up.
Chinese brands...not so much...still shooting for that value segment. Which is fine given that Korea and Japan have been playing the game longer.
Nice though that US brands like Apple are still on top. With the decline of many US CE brands there was the feeling that all was lost to asian brands.
I like Samsung products actually. LG too. Still occasionally spotty QA with both brands but I think in many markets they're coming in pretty strong. I can see them becoming equal to Japanese brands in these segments. Japanese brands are drifting slightly down in my mind as the Korean brands drift up.
I'm not saying that they're poorly made, I'm saying that they're poorly differentiated.
I'm not saying that they're poorly made, I'm saying that they're poorly differentiated.
Mmm...is Toyota all THAT differentiated from Honda or Nissan as brands? If Samsung ends up in the same breath as Sony, Sharp, etc as one of the more premium CE brands I think they met their objectives even if they stay a notch below Apple.
Mmm...is Toyota all THAT differentiated from Honda or Nissan as brands? If Samsung ends up in the same breath as Sony, Sharp, etc as one of the more premium CE brands I think they met their objectives even if they stay a notch below Apple.
I don't know enough about cars to speak with authority, but I'd say that car firms are generally more differentiated, maybe the Japanese firms aren't differentiated from each other, but they're very differentiated from the German marques, who all have very strong identities. In fact most of the European makers have very well defined brand identities, even much maligned Fiat.
Fiat recently took a page from Apple's playbook and opened its own stores, they're amazing examples of Italian Futurism, every time I walk past the one in London I find myself staring in through the window. The store takes the Fiat design language and exaggerates it, hammering it home, leaving you more aware of what it was about Fiat that you kinda liked (or hated) in the first place.
Fiat also recently relaunched the cinquecento, long their most recognisable car, bringing it close to its roots - much as Volkswagon relaunched the Bug, and BWM relaunched the Mini.
I'm sure if I bothered to look at the Japanese carmakers I'd find some design elements that separated them. The grill or the shape of the lights perhaps?
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Patents infringed upon must be legally defended or they will become useless.
I'm not sure what you mean by this. Patents aren't like TMs, if you don't defend them you don't lose them. However obviously if you NEVER defend them then there was very little point filing them, except the defensive point of stopping somebody else.
The newer claims are bordering silly IMO. The Galaxy Tabs would never be confused for iPads, not even the menu screens having any similarity to the iPad's splash screen. But that appears to matter not to Apple. They're screaming "mine, mine, give it back" louder than ever. Personally it looks like they've decided on the courts as another marketing arm.
They're losing my sympathy. In the beginning I felt that had a valid complaint with certain specific phones. Just my take on it.
This suit isn't primarily Design Patents it's primarily utility patents including some hardware patents. They're not asserting that the G-Tab infringes either of the design patents included in this suit.
This suit isn't primarily Design Patents it's primarily utility patents including some hardware patents. They're not asserting that the G-Tab infringes either of the design patents included in this suit.
Thanks for that Cloudgazer. I incorrectly thought they were still trying to assert design patents on the Tab's.
Thanks for that Cloudgazer. I incorrectly thought they were still trying to assert design patents on the Tab's.
Only against the 10.1 and that's in the other motion. There are many so many motions it's getting incoherent, it's like a mosh-pit of lawyers.
I still don't understand Apple motives here. Do they honestly think they will be successful in their efforts? What am I missing?
The phone did look like an iPhone
Perhaps a little child like the one you saw could be confused, but th infuse doesn't look like an iPhone.
I still don't understand Apple motives here. Do they honestly think they will be successful in their efforts? What am I missing?
I said this before, it is apple strategy to take Samsung out of the cell phone business. Samsung component businesses many times has access to new design ideas of competing company long before the products are release and do not thing for a minute this information is not being share to the Samsung phone and other business units. I have worked with the Samsung and they ask lots of questions and one which are not relevant to the component they selling and sometime they will withhold critical design information until they get the information they are looking for. I know apple is very secret with what they do buy you can be guarantee and information their component busy is doing is being share with their electronic business.
So This is apple way of telling Samsung to get out of the smart phone business, either they are a component company or cell phone company, they need to decide and obviously they have risk many Billions of $ of business from apple because of this and they now announce earning warning for the 2H12 which telling you apple is putting a world of hurt on them. No other component company is giving earning warning in the 2h12 since that is traditional the best time of the year.
and they now announce earning warning for the 2H12 which telling you apple is putting a world of hurt on them. No other component company is giving earning warning in the 2h12 since that is traditional the best time of the year.
And why Apple has to do nothing with this warning?
I said this before, it is apple strategy to take Samsung out of the cell phone business. Samsung component businesses many times has access to new design ideas of competing company long before the products are release and do not thing for a minute this information is not being share to the Samsung phone and other business units. I have worked with the Samsung and they ask lots of questions and one which are not relevant to the component they selling and sometime they will withhold critical design information until they get the information they are looking for. I know apple is very secret with what they do buy you can be guarantee and information their component busy is doing is being share with their electronic business.
So This is apple way of telling Samsung to get out of the smart phone business, either they are a component company or cell phone company, they need to decide and obviously they have risk many Billions of $ of business from apple because of this and they now announce earning warning for the 2H12 which telling you apple is putting a world of hurt on them. No other component company is giving earning warning in the 2h12 since that is traditional the best time of the year.
Folks claim that the Chinese are master copyists but really they're pretty half assed in comparison to the Koreans. The Koreans copy style AND offer high quality once they get their process in order. Hyundai makes good cars with nice Euro styling...they're going to continue to make headway in the global markets that way.
Samsung devices are pretty solid even if they tend to be a plasticly notch down from Apple devices. I could see owning the next gen 7" samsung tab if it were a little cheaper and Apple doesn't have a large iPod Touch to offer.
It's a shame that the Nook Color is still the best Android tablet for under $300.
That said, Samsung isn't leaving the handset business and that's not Apple's goal anyway. Just less direct copying.
Folks claim that the Chinese are master copyists but really they're pretty half assed in comparison to the Koreans. The Koreans copy style AND offer high quality once they get their process in order.
A friend of mine bought a beautiful fake Louis Vuitton wallet in asia, Thailand I think. He said that the stall owner explicitly asked him whether he wanted the cheap Chinese copy or the good Korean copy - he went for the Korean one.
I said this before, it is apple strategy to take Samsung out of the cell phone business.
Samsung are free to stay in the cellphone business, they just need to be more careful about copying Apple's designs - better yet they could try actually creating a well defined design language of their own that clearly differentiates from others in the market.
What's really funny is that the entire reason why Samsung wants to play in the CE market and not just make components is because the cost of building a strong consumer brand is a barrier to entry to new participants. However unlike Apple, it hasn't yet figured out that a strong consumer brand means more than just a nice Logo.
What's really funny is that the entire reason why Samsung wants to play in the CE market and not just make components is because the cost of building a strong consumer brand is a barrier to entry to new participants. However unlike Apple, it hasn't yet figured out that a strong consumer brand means more than just a nice Logo.
I like Samsung products actually. LG too. Still occasionally spotty QA with both brands but I think in many markets they're coming in pretty strong. I can see them becoming equal to Japanese brands in these segments. Japanese brands are drifting slightly down in my mind as the Korean brands drift up.
Chinese brands...not so much...still shooting for that value segment. Which is fine given that Korea and Japan have been playing the game longer.
Nice though that US brands like Apple are still on top. With the decline of many US CE brands there was the feeling that all was lost to asian brands.
I like Samsung products actually. LG too. Still occasionally spotty QA with both brands but I think in many markets they're coming in pretty strong. I can see them becoming equal to Japanese brands in these segments. Japanese brands are drifting slightly down in my mind as the Korean brands drift up.
I'm not saying that they're poorly made, I'm saying that they're poorly differentiated.
I'm not saying that they're poorly made, I'm saying that they're poorly differentiated.
Mmm...is Toyota all THAT differentiated from Honda or Nissan as brands? If Samsung ends up in the same breath as Sony, Sharp, etc as one of the more premium CE brands I think they met their objectives even if they stay a notch below Apple.
Mmm...is Toyota all THAT differentiated from Honda or Nissan as brands? If Samsung ends up in the same breath as Sony, Sharp, etc as one of the more premium CE brands I think they met their objectives even if they stay a notch below Apple.
I don't know enough about cars to speak with authority, but I'd say that car firms are generally more differentiated, maybe the Japanese firms aren't differentiated from each other, but they're very differentiated from the German marques, who all have very strong identities. In fact most of the European makers have very well defined brand identities, even much maligned Fiat.
Fiat recently took a page from Apple's playbook and opened its own stores, they're amazing examples of Italian Futurism, every time I walk past the one in London I find myself staring in through the window. The store takes the Fiat design language and exaggerates it, hammering it home, leaving you more aware of what it was about Fiat that you kinda liked (or hated) in the first place.
Fiat also recently relaunched the cinquecento, long their most recognisable car, bringing it close to its roots - much as Volkswagon relaunched the Bug, and BWM relaunched the Mini.
I'm sure if I bothered to look at the Japanese carmakers I'd find some design elements that separated them. The grill or the shape of the lights perhaps?