Actually that's not true - the Chitka numbers are weird. I watched them, and still do, from the first mention of them here. They VERY steadily climbed up to about 20%, about a month ago. Then one day, it went back to 10%, and has been near there ever since. So something in their methodology changed. It had nothing to do with ATT's launch of the 3GS, your timeframes are all whacked.
And the drop started about 2-3 months back. I never saw a step change but they may have some whacky stuff going on.
I think AT&T might be in trouble in the next 18-38 months when LTE roll out is complete. They'll have to compete with other US carriers who have put much more effort into network building while AT&T rested on being the sole iPhone provider.
I don't think so. At&t is way faster than Verizon and they do not charge strange fees.
Whatever the true number, I would expect to see it explode with the release of the next iPhone in the fall. It's impressive that the Verizon iPhone has seen the rate of adoption it has given that it was closer to end of life than not on release.
The simultaneous releases of a new model on Verizon and AT&T will be our first chance to see straight up head to head numbers.
I check it about every 2 days. And yes, it went from 20% to 10% with no intervening data points.
They are now about 20%. I have been seeing a gradual decline over the past several months but now it is looking like the data is just random based on when you look at it.
They are now about 20%. I have been seeing a gradual decline over the past several months but now it is looking like the data is just random based on when you look at it.
Heh, back at 20. I leave a tab on my iPhone open to that page, so when I switch to that tab, I see the former amount before it refreshes. It was a gradually changing ratio until it hit 20%, now it goes back and forth from 10 to 20. So much for the value of that service.
...What to do about the 3GS? The 3GS has supply all set up and plant running. Building a new phone from scratch entails organising more of both, and that comes at a cost. Given those sunk costs It's hard to see how Apple can manufacture something cheaper than the 3GS with the same form factor without making the device feel cheap. This is why many of us feel that the 3GS is likely to remain the cheaper iPhone in the west for another product cycle at least.
The problem with just keeping the 3GS is it is not CDMA.
They show ATT web usage for all iPhones running around 90% M-F and Dropping to 80% on the weekends when I guess Verizon users have time to browse from their phones. Who's to say what causes the dramatic change but it happens every weekend for the last 3+ months a 5%+ change. The reason Verizon can't catch up is the $49 3GS and all those users still using their 1st and 2nd Gen iPhones (or passed them on to family members). If we are going to play his game let's see how all the models of Android stack up, a pinch here and a pinch there no real winners.
The problem with just keeping the 3GS is it is not CDMA.
That's not really a big problem, the cheap phone is needed primarily for pay as you go customers, and they're not on Verizon, they're out in the rest of the world where GSM is completely dominant. Given the higher license fees and limited market it seems unlikely that Apple's first low-price by design phone would be CDMA-2000.
I don't buy these figures. I have no idea of the methodology or where the error occurred, but the results are just not plausible.
The claim that Verizon had 20% of iPhone 4 traffic the week of Feb 10 - the first week the phone was on sale through Verizon. Yet 5 months later, that number has only reached 32%.
So we're expected to believe that they sold twice as much in the first week as in the following 5 months? Just doesn't seem plausible.
Part of it is that many of the initial verizon iphones where returned. People switching from their android phones did not like the feel of the iphone. For a lot of people the large screen size, full keyboards, and many other android features made it to much of a change. My ex had an og Droid she raced to get an iphone 4 then a week later she talked about its nice but she missed her keyboard, maps, widgets and how it synced to her google calendar. She took it back and is getting the Droid three next week. Your going to see this if the iphone goes to sprint also. People get comfortable with something and stick with it despite the downsides of it.
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Actually that's not true - the Chitka numbers are weird. I watched them, and still do, from the first mention of them here. They VERY steadily climbed up to about 20%, about a month ago. Then one day, it went back to 10%, and has been near there ever since. So something in their methodology changed. It had nothing to do with ATT's launch of the 3GS, your timeframes are all whacked.
And the drop started about 2-3 months back. I never saw a step change but they may have some whacky stuff going on.
Not sure which country you're from, but there is an average of one week wait for an iPhone 4 in my area on all networks.
I live in the exotic land of London, England where almost a year ago I walked in off the street and bought an iPhone 4. Where are you?
And the drop started about 2-3 months back. I never saw a step change but they may have some whacky stuff going on.
I check it about every 2 days. And yes, it went from 20% to 10% with no intervening data points.
I think AT&T might be in trouble in the next 18-38 months when LTE roll out is complete. They'll have to compete with other US carriers who have put much more effort into network building while AT&T rested on being the sole iPhone provider.
I don't think so. At&t is way faster than Verizon and they do not charge strange fees.
Buy two iPhones. If you're an Apple buff you should have plenty of money.
Yeah, exactly.
Obama..... I mean, you should simply use ownership of Apple as the filter to increase taxes to narrow the deficit....
The simultaneous releases of a new model on Verizon and AT&T will be our first chance to see straight up head to head numbers.
I check it about every 2 days. And yes, it went from 20% to 10% with no intervening data points.
They are now about 20%. I have been seeing a gradual decline over the past several months but now it is looking like the data is just random based on when you look at it.
They are now about 20%. I have been seeing a gradual decline over the past several months but now it is looking like the data is just random based on when you look at it.
Heh, back at 20. I leave a tab on my iPhone open to that page, so when I switch to that tab, I see the former amount before it refreshes. It was a gradually changing ratio until it hit 20%, now it goes back and forth from 10 to 20. So much for the value of that service.
...What to do about the 3GS? The 3GS has supply all set up and plant running. Building a new phone from scratch entails organising more of both, and that comes at a cost. Given those sunk costs It's hard to see how Apple can manufacture something cheaper than the 3GS with the same form factor without making the device feel cheap. This is why many of us feel that the 3GS is likely to remain the cheaper iPhone in the west for another product cycle at least.
The problem with just keeping the 3GS is it is not CDMA.
They show ATT web usage for all iPhones running around 90% M-F and Dropping to 80% on the weekends when I guess Verizon users have time to browse from their phones. Who's to say what causes the dramatic change but it happens every weekend for the last 3+ months a 5%+ change. The reason Verizon can't catch up is the $49 3GS and all those users still using their 1st and 2nd Gen iPhones (or passed them on to family members). If we are going to play his game let's see how all the models of Android stack up, a pinch here and a pinch there no real winners.
The problem with just keeping the 3GS is it is not CDMA.
That's not really a big problem, the cheap phone is needed primarily for pay as you go customers, and they're not on Verizon, they're out in the rest of the world where GSM is completely dominant. Given the higher license fees and limited market it seems unlikely that Apple's first low-price by design phone would be CDMA-2000.
I don't buy these figures. I have no idea of the methodology or where the error occurred, but the results are just not plausible.
The claim that Verizon had 20% of iPhone 4 traffic the week of Feb 10 - the first week the phone was on sale through Verizon. Yet 5 months later, that number has only reached 32%.
So we're expected to believe that they sold twice as much in the first week as in the following 5 months? Just doesn't seem plausible.
Part of it is that many of the initial verizon iphones where returned. People switching from their android phones did not like the feel of the iphone. For a lot of people the large screen size, full keyboards, and many other android features made it to much of a change. My ex had an og Droid she raced to get an iphone 4 then a week later she talked about its nice but she missed her keyboard, maps, widgets and how it synced to her google calendar. She took it back and is getting the Droid three next week. Your going to see this if the iphone goes to sprint also. People get comfortable with something and stick with it despite the downsides of it.