I don't think so. The major appeal of the iPad is that it's an affordable way of enjoying portable computing. Bring the device up around $1,000 and that ceases to be the case.
I can assure you that when Apple first brought us the iPad, if it had checked in at around $1,000, we wouldn't be having this conversation today. Chances are the iPad would have failed and the tablet form factor might even have been written off forever.
Apple's great accomplishment was not in delivering a fine product in the iPad but rather delivering a fine product at well below $1,000. This is what sparked the tablet market.
You forget that Apple now has a fine ultra-light laptop that checks in at around $1,000. The Air is a laptop that doesn't suffer from many of the flaws that mar lesser such devices like poor battery life and excessive weight. Sure the Air lacks the muscle to be a desktop replacement but the iPad+ would certainly be no such device either. So they would fill similar spots in the product line at nearly the same price. Some would like the tablet, others the extra laptop components on the Air and the ability to run OSX.
Right now a potential Apple customer with $1,000 to spend would consider the Air a no-brainer choice. If, on the other hand, one were drawn to the tablet form factor, does the current iPad's screen resolution serve as a deterrent for purchasing it? There haven't been many complaints just rumours that a high-res screen is coming.
So what would Apple gain from siphoning off some Air sales and iPad sales into a third configuration. I think the net gain would be close to zero. Some customers who were going to either buy an iPad or an Air anyway would buy this device instead. Not many though. Most would rather save a few dollars and just get a regular iPad and others enjoy the full laptop experience via the Air. That would not leave millions opting for an iPad+ at close to $1,000. I stand by my assertion that we'd be talking thousands of customers, not millions, and among those, few if any additional customers.
The point I'd disagree with you on is that you believe that once an iPad gets to a certain price they're just going to buy a notebook. The success of the iPad isn't entirely predicated on price. At the lower end, the iPad has proven to be a great device for people who never wanted or needed the complexity of a laptop in the first place, but merely an email/browsing device. it eschews the abstraction of modern computer operating systems for something that people who were not computer literate could wrap their minds around.
At the other end, however, are all the people who can afford or do own laptops and smart phones, but recognize the iPad as filling a space for casual "couch" computing. Plus there are all the productivity "niches" which live at the high end and you have a device that fills the needs of people across a broad price range.
To say that there'd be no point in a higher resolution option means there's no high end to this market, which I don't believe and you'd have to prove to me isn't true. If Apple sold no 64GB iPads, I'd say you have a case, but there's been to evidence to that effect that I know of. So I don't believe that an extra $100 display option would only appeal to "thousands" of people.
All this said, my personal belief is that the best option would be for Apple to be able to offer the higher resolution display at the current price, and then offer the existing model at a reduced price to make it an affordable option to more people. But I recognize that this may not be possible. 2x resolution displays may just be too expensive.
An iPad HD would have a superior crushing effect on the competition during the holiday shopping season. Beyond that there is lots of room in Apples line up for more iOS devices.
For example every time I go to an electronics store And look at the GPS systems, with their sub seven inch screens, I cringe. Most of these are 5" class devices and it is very easy to imagine iOS on such a sized "tablet". Made Apple thin they would be very useful.
Beyond that Wall Street does not fight success! Also the vast majority of Apples customers don't care to know what is around the corner. Each turn is a new adventure.
Nonsense. Everyone who keeps parroting the Retina display "gotta happen" idiocy must not have an iPad. There is nothing wrong with the current display. IMO, forward and rear-facing cameras could use a boost in resolution and the iPad could use a little additional weight loss. Other than that, there is no appreciable competition now or in the near future.
Nonsense. Everyone who keeps parroting the Retina display "gotta happen" idiocy must not have an iPad. There is nothing wrong with the current display. IMO, forward and rear-facing cameras could use a boost in resolution and the iPad could use a little additional weight loss. Other than that, there is no appreciable competition now or in the near future.
The problem with the camera's on the iPad isn't resolution, it's optics, and the form-factor doesn't really permit much improvement there. Besides it's a singularly badly shaped device to use as a camera, it's pretty hard to think of a time you'd use the rear facing camera, unless you want to take a picture of your phone.
I don't think so. The major appeal of the iPad is that it's an affordable way of enjoying portable computing. Bring the device up around $1,000 and that ceases to be the case.
I can assure you that when Apple first brought us the iPad, if it had checked in at around $1,000, we wouldn't be having this conversation today. Chances are the iPad would have failed and the tablet form factor might even have been written off forever.
Nonsense. Everyone who keeps parroting the Retina display "gotta happen" idiocy must not have an iPad. There is nothing wrong with the current display. IMO, forward and rear-facing cameras could use a boost in resolution and the iPad could use a little additional weight loss. Other than that, there is no appreciable competition now or in the near future.
I'd say the reason this "idiocy" about high res screens is continuing is rumours about production of a display we know is being tested because Hugh resolution ipad sized images have made their way into versions of iOS 4.3.
The problem with the camera's on the iPad isn't resolution, it's optics, and the form-factor doesn't really permit much improvement there. Besides it's a singularly badly shaped device to use as a camera, it's pretty hard to think of a time you'd use the rear facing camera, unless you want to take a picture of your phone.
I don't completely agree on the first point. Resolution does matter too, particularly where there is no optical zoom.
Furthermore, IPhone4 and iPad2 are respectively 0.37" and 0.34" thick - not much difference. The iP4 has a pretty decent camera. The 5MP sensor inside it has been shrunk in size in the last year, so that it should be able to fit inside iPad2 (not to mention iPod Touch, unless Apple makes it thinner yet again). So, I think there is a need and the possibility for improvement.
Now, is the rear camera of a tablet really useful? That's a good point. I saw a photo of Spike Lee taking a picture on a red carpet using an iPad, and he looked silly. On the other hand, people once thought a camera on a phone was silly too. It is possible that tablet photography will some day find a niche application (outside of video conferencing or video chatting) where it makes sense. Until such a discovery, I would have to agree with you.
As far as I know, only one display maker has showcased a ~ 10" display with ≥ 300 PPI - Samsung. LG has also talked about an improved display in the right size range but I am not aware of them specifying the actual PPI or showing it to anyone. Three problems about the Samsung display in Apple's perspective:
1. It's 10.1" rather than 9.7".
2. Samsung and Apple are not BFFs.
3. The Samsung display is based on Pentile technology which is inferior to the IPS technology that Apple prefers. If you compare the Nexus S to the iPhone 4, the difference would be obvious.
Furthermore, Samsung has not shown that they will produce large quantities of this display at high yield.
Having said this, LG may well be ready with a 300 PPI, 9.7" IPS LCD that they are keeping tight-lipped about. It would be a very remarkable feat of engineering, when they do so. Truly, truly impressive. It makes you wonder - when will the MBA adopt a similarly high res screen?
Having said this, LG may well be ready with a 300 PPI, 9.7" IPS LCD that they are keeping tight-lipped about. It would be a very remarkable feat of engineering, when they do so. Truly, truly impressive. It makes you wonder - when will the MBA adopt a similarly high res screen?
Seems if they do have a super high PPI 10 inch display they're keeping it firmly under wraps. On the other hand they notably don't have a panel in their display that has the iPad aspect ratio - so it's entirely possible they have an Apple exclusive panel hidden away.
Seems if they do have a super high PPI 10 inch display they're keeping it firmly under wraps. On the other hand they notably don't have a panel in their display that has the iPad aspect ratio - so it's entirely possible they have an Apple exclusive panel hidden away.
It would certainly be Apple business as usual.
Thanks for the link. So it confirms my memory. On the other hand, they do have something at 4.5" and 300+ PPI. Would Apple adopt this for a large screen iPhone. Doing so would mess up the developers and their apps, to a degree.
Thanks for the link. So it confirms my memory. On the other hand, they do have something at 4.5" and 300+ PPI. Would Apple adopt this for a large screen iPhone. Doing so would mess up the developers and their apps, to a degree.
I can't see it happening, Apple seems happy with their current form-factor, and the iP4 screen is still considered industry leading.
One thing that occurs to me with the Samsung panel technology. Imagine if it turns out that Apple negotiated an exclusive on them before the falling out It's not impossible, these deals must happen way in advance - we could be in the hilarious situation that the fabulous new HD tablet that Samsung are saying will launch with their new display technology is an Apple one.
The problem with the camera's on the iPad isn't resolution, it's optics, and the form-factor doesn't really permit much improvement there. Besides it's a singularly badly shaped device to use as a camera, it's pretty hard to think of a time you'd use the rear facing camera, unless you want to take a picture of your phone.
The biggest revolution in optics for iPad will come once Apple is able to implement their concept that treats the spaces in-between pixels in a display as camera elements, which essentially turns the entire display surface into a giant camera. Will we see it any time soon? Not likely, but I think we might see it within 10 years.
I can't see it happening, Apple seems happy with their current form-factor, and the iP4 screen is still considered industry leading.
One thing that occurs to me with the Samsung panel technology. Imagine if it turns out that Apple negotiated an exclusive on them before the falling out It's not impossible, these deals must happen way in advance - we could be in the hilarious situation that the fabulous new HD tablet that Samsung are saying will launch with their new display technology is an Apple one.
That would be funny and awkward indeed. I almost wish it would happen. But I don't see Apple adopting a Pentile display - it's a step backwards from IPS. Nor do I see them switching to 10.1". So, for Samsung to be their display supplier for the high res iPad (if it exists), they too must have been hiding the "real thing" from the May conference.
The biggest revolution in optics for iPad will come once Apple is able to implement their concept that treats the spaces in-between pixels in a display as camera elements, which essentially turns the entire display surface into a giant camera. Will we see it any time soon? Not likely, but I think we might see it within 10 years.
I can't imagine that it would give a good picture. Bigger CCD doesn't necessarily mean better and you have no room in that arrangement for good optics. That sounds like it would be more useful for detecting ambient light levels, or for scanning than for photography.
That would be funny and awkward indeed. I almost wish it would happen. But I don't see Apple adopting a Pentile display - it's a step backwards from IPS. Nor do I see them switching to 10.1". So, for Samsung to be their display supplier for the high res iPad (if it exists), they too must have been hiding the "real thing" from the May conference.
RGBW does offer superior battery life in all use cases unlike AMOLED which was only better if the screen was mostly black. It's also very high contrast - though I agree the IPS screens are more to my taste - pentile screens always seem to have overly saturated colours.
I can't imagine that it would give a good picture. Bigger CCD doesn't necessarily mean better and you have no room in that arrangement for good optics. That sounds like it would be more useful for detecting ambient light levels, or for scanning than for photography.
I can imagine a two-way mirror effect from such a display, and I could imagine it being able to rack focus with a tap, zoom dozens of X's and provide a convincingly 3-D illusion as well.
I can imagine a two-way mirror effect from such a display, and I could imagine it being able to rack focus with a tap, zoom dozens of X's and provide a convincingly 3-D illusion as well.
At best this would provide an indifferent experience from a photographer's perspective. It might be good for video-chat, but it would have far too many compromises to result in a good general purpose camera.
As far as I know, only one display maker has showcased a ~ 10" display with ≥ 300 PPI - Samsung. LG has also talked about an improved display in the right size range but I am not aware of them specifying the actual PPI or showing it to anyone. Three problems about the Samsung display in Apple's perspective:
1. It's 10.1" rather than 9.7".
2. Samsung and Apple are not BFFs.
3. The Samsung display is based on Pentile technology which is inferior to the IPS technology that Apple prefers. If you compare the Nexus S to the iPhone 4, the difference would be obvious.
Furthermore, Samsung has not shown that they will produce large quantities of this display at high yield.
Having said this, LG may well be ready with a 300 PPI, 9.7" IPS LCD that they are keeping tight-lipped about. It would be a very remarkable feat of engineering, when they do so. Truly, truly impressive. It makes you wonder - when will the MBA adopt a similarly high res screen?
I dunno about #2. Samsung happily takes Apples cash up front for component sales, and leeches off Jonny Ive's designs for their own tablets and phones. I'd say they love Apple.
I dunno about #2. Samsung happily takes Apples cash up front for component sales, and leeches off Jonny Ive's designs for their own tablets and phones. I'd say they love Apple.
And Apple would love Samsung if it would just stay orf their lawn and stick to components like a good little chaebol.
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I don't think so. The major appeal of the iPad is that it's an affordable way of enjoying portable computing. Bring the device up around $1,000 and that ceases to be the case.
I can assure you that when Apple first brought us the iPad, if it had checked in at around $1,000, we wouldn't be having this conversation today. Chances are the iPad would have failed and the tablet form factor might even have been written off forever.
Apple's great accomplishment was not in delivering a fine product in the iPad but rather delivering a fine product at well below $1,000. This is what sparked the tablet market.
You forget that Apple now has a fine ultra-light laptop that checks in at around $1,000. The Air is a laptop that doesn't suffer from many of the flaws that mar lesser such devices like poor battery life and excessive weight. Sure the Air lacks the muscle to be a desktop replacement but the iPad+ would certainly be no such device either. So they would fill similar spots in the product line at nearly the same price. Some would like the tablet, others the extra laptop components on the Air and the ability to run OSX.
Right now a potential Apple customer with $1,000 to spend would consider the Air a no-brainer choice. If, on the other hand, one were drawn to the tablet form factor, does the current iPad's screen resolution serve as a deterrent for purchasing it? There haven't been many complaints just rumours that a high-res screen is coming.
So what would Apple gain from siphoning off some Air sales and iPad sales into a third configuration. I think the net gain would be close to zero. Some customers who were going to either buy an iPad or an Air anyway would buy this device instead. Not many though. Most would rather save a few dollars and just get a regular iPad and others enjoy the full laptop experience via the Air. That would not leave millions opting for an iPad+ at close to $1,000. I stand by my assertion that we'd be talking thousands of customers, not millions, and among those, few if any additional customers.
The point I'd disagree with you on is that you believe that once an iPad gets to a certain price they're just going to buy a notebook. The success of the iPad isn't entirely predicated on price. At the lower end, the iPad has proven to be a great device for people who never wanted or needed the complexity of a laptop in the first place, but merely an email/browsing device. it eschews the abstraction of modern computer operating systems for something that people who were not computer literate could wrap their minds around.
At the other end, however, are all the people who can afford or do own laptops and smart phones, but recognize the iPad as filling a space for casual "couch" computing. Plus there are all the productivity "niches" which live at the high end and you have a device that fills the needs of people across a broad price range.
To say that there'd be no point in a higher resolution option means there's no high end to this market, which I don't believe and you'd have to prove to me isn't true. If Apple sold no 64GB iPads, I'd say you have a case, but there's been to evidence to that effect that I know of. So I don't believe that an extra $100 display option would only appeal to "thousands" of people.
All this said, my personal belief is that the best option would be for Apple to be able to offer the higher resolution display at the current price, and then offer the existing model at a reduced price to make it an affordable option to more people. But I recognize that this may not be possible. 2x resolution displays may just be too expensive.
An iPad HD would have a superior crushing effect on the competition during the holiday shopping season. Beyond that there is lots of room in Apples line up for more iOS devices.
For example every time I go to an electronics store And look at the GPS systems, with their sub seven inch screens, I cringe. Most of these are 5" class devices and it is very easy to imagine iOS on such a sized "tablet". Made Apple thin they would be very useful.
Beyond that Wall Street does not fight success! Also the vast majority of Apples customers don't care to know what is around the corner. Each turn is a new adventure.
Nonsense. Everyone who keeps parroting the Retina display "gotta happen" idiocy must not have an iPad. There is nothing wrong with the current display. IMO, forward and rear-facing cameras could use a boost in resolution and the iPad could use a little additional weight loss. Other than that, there is no appreciable competition now or in the near future.
Nonsense. Everyone who keeps parroting the Retina display "gotta happen" idiocy must not have an iPad. There is nothing wrong with the current display. IMO, forward and rear-facing cameras could use a boost in resolution and the iPad could use a little additional weight loss. Other than that, there is no appreciable competition now or in the near future.
The problem with the camera's on the iPad isn't resolution, it's optics, and the form-factor doesn't really permit much improvement there. Besides it's a singularly badly shaped device to use as a camera, it's pretty hard to think of a time you'd use the rear facing camera, unless you want to take a picture of your phone.
I don't think so. The major appeal of the iPad is that it's an affordable way of enjoying portable computing. Bring the device up around $1,000 and that ceases to be the case.
I can assure you that when Apple first brought us the iPad, if it had checked in at around $1,000, we wouldn't be having this conversation today. Chances are the iPad would have failed and the tablet form factor might even have been written off forever.
Hint: they will keep the low end model.
Nonsense. Everyone who keeps parroting the Retina display "gotta happen" idiocy must not have an iPad. There is nothing wrong with the current display. IMO, forward and rear-facing cameras could use a boost in resolution and the iPad could use a little additional weight loss. Other than that, there is no appreciable competition now or in the near future.
I'd say the reason this "idiocy" about high res screens is continuing is rumours about production of a display we know is being tested because Hugh resolution ipad sized images have made their way into versions of iOS 4.3.
The problem with the camera's on the iPad isn't resolution, it's optics, and the form-factor doesn't really permit much improvement there. Besides it's a singularly badly shaped device to use as a camera, it's pretty hard to think of a time you'd use the rear facing camera, unless you want to take a picture of your phone.
I don't completely agree on the first point. Resolution does matter too, particularly where there is no optical zoom.
Furthermore, IPhone4 and iPad2 are respectively 0.37" and 0.34" thick - not much difference. The iP4 has a pretty decent camera. The 5MP sensor inside it has been shrunk in size in the last year, so that it should be able to fit inside iPad2 (not to mention iPod Touch, unless Apple makes it thinner yet again). So, I think there is a need and the possibility for improvement.
Now, is the rear camera of a tablet really useful? That's a good point. I saw a photo of Spike Lee taking a picture on a red carpet using an iPad, and he looked silly. On the other hand, people once thought a camera on a phone was silly too. It is possible that tablet photography will some day find a niche application (outside of video conferencing or video chatting) where it makes sense. Until such a discovery, I would have to agree with you.
1. It's 10.1" rather than 9.7".
2. Samsung and Apple are not BFFs.
3. The Samsung display is based on Pentile technology which is inferior to the IPS technology that Apple prefers. If you compare the Nexus S to the iPhone 4, the difference would be obvious.
Furthermore, Samsung has not shown that they will produce large quantities of this display at high yield.
Having said this, LG may well be ready with a 300 PPI, 9.7" IPS LCD that they are keeping tight-lipped about. It would be a very remarkable feat of engineering, when they do so. Truly, truly impressive. It makes you wonder - when will the MBA adopt a similarly high res screen?
Having said this, LG may well be ready with a 300 PPI, 9.7" IPS LCD that they are keeping tight-lipped about. It would be a very remarkable feat of engineering, when they do so. Truly, truly impressive. It makes you wonder - when will the MBA adopt a similarly high res screen?
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/18/l...mply-stunning/
Seems if they do have a super high PPI 10 inch display they're keeping it firmly under wraps. On the other hand they notably don't have a panel in their display that has the iPad aspect ratio - so it's entirely possible they have an Apple exclusive panel hidden away.
It would certainly be Apple business as usual.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/18/l...mply-stunning/
Seems if they do have a super high PPI 10 inch display they're keeping it firmly under wraps. On the other hand they notably don't have a panel in their display that has the iPad aspect ratio - so it's entirely possible they have an Apple exclusive panel hidden away.
It would certainly be Apple business as usual.
Thanks for the link. So it confirms my memory. On the other hand, they do have something at 4.5" and 300+ PPI. Would Apple adopt this for a large screen iPhone. Doing so would mess up the developers and their apps, to a degree.
Thanks for the link. So it confirms my memory. On the other hand, they do have something at 4.5" and 300+ PPI. Would Apple adopt this for a large screen iPhone. Doing so would mess up the developers and their apps, to a degree.
I can't see it happening, Apple seems happy with their current form-factor, and the iP4 screen is still considered industry leading.
One thing that occurs to me with the Samsung panel technology. Imagine if it turns out that Apple negotiated an exclusive on them before the falling out
The problem with the camera's on the iPad isn't resolution, it's optics, and the form-factor doesn't really permit much improvement there. Besides it's a singularly badly shaped device to use as a camera, it's pretty hard to think of a time you'd use the rear facing camera, unless you want to take a picture of your phone.
The biggest revolution in optics for iPad will come once Apple is able to implement their concept that treats the spaces in-between pixels in a display as camera elements, which essentially turns the entire display surface into a giant camera. Will we see it any time soon? Not likely, but I think we might see it within 10 years.
I can't see it happening, Apple seems happy with their current form-factor, and the iP4 screen is still considered industry leading.
One thing that occurs to me with the Samsung panel technology. Imagine if it turns out that Apple negotiated an exclusive on them before the falling out
That would be funny and awkward indeed. I almost wish it would happen. But I don't see Apple adopting a Pentile display - it's a step backwards from IPS. Nor do I see them switching to 10.1". So, for Samsung to be their display supplier for the high res iPad (if it exists), they too must have been hiding the "real thing" from the May conference.
The biggest revolution in optics for iPad will come once Apple is able to implement their concept that treats the spaces in-between pixels in a display as camera elements, which essentially turns the entire display surface into a giant camera. Will we see it any time soon? Not likely, but I think we might see it within 10 years.
I can't imagine that it would give a good picture. Bigger CCD doesn't necessarily mean better and you have no room in that arrangement for good optics. That sounds like it would be more useful for detecting ambient light levels, or for scanning than for photography.
That would be funny and awkward indeed. I almost wish it would happen. But I don't see Apple adopting a Pentile display - it's a step backwards from IPS. Nor do I see them switching to 10.1". So, for Samsung to be their display supplier for the high res iPad (if it exists), they too must have been hiding the "real thing" from the May conference.
RGBW does offer superior battery life in all use cases unlike AMOLED which was only better if the screen was mostly black. It's also very high contrast - though I agree the IPS screens are more to my taste - pentile screens always seem to have overly saturated colours.
I can't imagine that it would give a good picture. Bigger CCD doesn't necessarily mean better and you have no room in that arrangement for good optics. That sounds like it would be more useful for detecting ambient light levels, or for scanning than for photography.
I can imagine a two-way mirror effect from such a display, and I could imagine it being able to rack focus with a tap, zoom dozens of X's and provide a convincingly 3-D illusion as well.
I can imagine a two-way mirror effect from such a display, and I could imagine it being able to rack focus with a tap, zoom dozens of X's and provide a convincingly 3-D illusion as well.
At best this would provide an indifferent experience from a photographer's perspective. It might be good for video-chat, but it would have far too many compromises to result in a good general purpose camera.
As far as I know, only one display maker has showcased a ~ 10" display with ≥ 300 PPI - Samsung. LG has also talked about an improved display in the right size range but I am not aware of them specifying the actual PPI or showing it to anyone. Three problems about the Samsung display in Apple's perspective:
1. It's 10.1" rather than 9.7".
2. Samsung and Apple are not BFFs.
3. The Samsung display is based on Pentile technology which is inferior to the IPS technology that Apple prefers. If you compare the Nexus S to the iPhone 4, the difference would be obvious.
Furthermore, Samsung has not shown that they will produce large quantities of this display at high yield.
Having said this, LG may well be ready with a 300 PPI, 9.7" IPS LCD that they are keeping tight-lipped about. It would be a very remarkable feat of engineering, when they do so. Truly, truly impressive. It makes you wonder - when will the MBA adopt a similarly high res screen?
I dunno about #2. Samsung happily takes Apples cash up front for component sales, and leeches off Jonny Ive's designs for their own tablets and phones. I'd say they love Apple.
I dunno about #2. Samsung happily takes Apples cash up front for component sales, and leeches off Jonny Ive's designs for their own tablets and phones. I'd say they love Apple.
And Apple would love Samsung if it would just stay orf their lawn and stick to components like a good little chaebol.