WTC...Well call me not surprised...

artman @_@artman @_@
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in General Discussion edited January 2014
And the winner is...



See links below...jeez, even the media couldn't figure out which outrageous one of these two were...



Sad. That is pure garbage. I did like the Peterson/Littenberg design. I guess that's too normal looking (calling their proposal an urban plan, not architecture). Not like the shopping mall/greenhouse shit they decided on here.



Look, call me old fashioned but we should have rebuilt the World Trade Towers. Including of course a memorial. But I'm also all for a new vision. IMHO...none, except the one I mentioned worked for me...they were a smaller architectural firm and I hoped they'd get the nod. Oh well, lets hear it for big bucks and bad taste...



<a href="http://www.glasssteelandstone.com/US/NY/WTC2-2Peterson.html"; target="_blank">Here's the Peterson/Littenberg designs...</a>







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  • Reply 1 of 46
    mrbilldatamrbilldata Posts: 489member
    And who will be paying for this giant piece of ahem... art <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
  • Reply 2 of 46
    groveratgroverat Posts: 10,872member
    I'm all for it. It's wild and revolutionary, so all the better.



    How concrete is this decision?
  • Reply 3 of 46
    filmmaker2002filmmaker2002 Posts: 686member
    I personally liked the design with the one giant pointed structure. I thought it was very symbolic and beautiful at the same time. If I'm not mistaken, that design was going to be the tallest structure in the world....too bad they chose the wireframe design.
  • Reply 4 of 46
    ghost_user_nameghost_user_name Posts: 22,667member
    I liked the one competing with the one that won.



    They also did the jewish museum in Berlin. One giant multi level monument that acts as a museum. Quite amazing and probably the best thought out building I have ever set my foot in.



    Why is it that I have to disagree with the Rat on every issue here? Is he anti-me or something? :confused:



    Groverat: Apples or oranges? Cats or dogs? Pepsi or Coke? Red or blue? Just checking.
  • Reply 5 of 46
    groveratgroverat Posts: 10,872member
    Oranges, dogs, Pepsi, blue.
  • Reply 6 of 46
    scottscott Posts: 7,431member
    I like the one they picked. I don't like the other one. It's boring.
  • Reply 7 of 46
    giantgiant Posts: 6,041member
    <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Northeast/02/26/wtc.finalist.ap/index.html"; target="_blank">I found this on cnn</a>



    they say that they picked this one:
  • Reply 8 of 46
    wotanwotan Posts: 106member
    Um... Its actually <a href="http://www.lowermanhattan.info/rebuild/new_design_plans/firm_d/slides/slide2.asp"; target="_blank">Libeskind's</a> plan that was chosen.



    The title for that Yahoo story is really misleading. It was about a recommendation by the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation.
  • Reply 9 of 46
    wotanwotan Posts: 106member
    Damn! Giant beat me to it.



    (It took me a little while to find that link.)
  • Reply 10 of 46
    outsideroutsider Posts: 6,008member
    It looks like the fortress of solitude!
  • Reply 11 of 46
    buonrottobuonrotto Posts: 6,368member
    Woohoo! So sometimes the best project does win.



    I thought Libeskind was a lot of hot air until I heard him speak about some of his projects a few years ago. I think people will (generally) be very pleased if the final build-out is anything like this concept.
  • Reply 12 of 46
    drewpropsdrewprops Posts: 2,321member
    Yeah, Danny Libeskind came and did a lecture while I was in (architecture) school. He rambled on and on and on and on....it was all really great theoretical stuff, I really dug it...but I never expected him to have BUILT WORK...let alone such a humongous built work.
  • Reply 13 of 46
    xionjaxionja Posts: 504member
    Though I like Libeskinds architecture for the jewish museum in Berlin, (i was there a month ago) I dont like what he has done for the world trade center memorial.



    I personally liked the Th!nk teams towers.
  • Reply 14 of 46
    shetlineshetline Posts: 4,695member
    This design is perfect... at least if you're looking for an ideal physical embodiment of defeatism.



    What I'd most like to have seen: Something close to an exact replica of the original two towers on the outside, improved structurally on the inside, and symbolically a single story taller.



    As a second choice, anything that was truly functional architecture, rather than some hollow shell that says we're going to wallow in our losses. Sure, there'd be practical concerns about finding tenants who weren't afraid to live or work there, but it's not like this empty framework is going to generate a whole lot of revenue either, so why not build for a future when more people will be ready to move in? Hell, I'd live on the top floor if someone gave me the chance.
  • Reply 15 of 46
    buonrottobuonrotto Posts: 6,368member
    I wouldn't say the memorial site is a symbol of defeatism as much as remembrance. No need to hide our wounds, no desire to ignore the horror. The gardens and tower rise out of the north edge of the bathtub, site. What's nice about it is that it both exposes the tragedy and grows out beyond it without compromising either a view of the past or a view of the future.



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  • Reply 16 of 46
    fran441fran441 Posts: 3,715member
    I wonder when they will start working on the site. Does anyone know?
  • Reply 17 of 46
    mrbilldatamrbilldata Posts: 489member
    Over memorializing the past instead of building for the future would only make the US look more like the Middle East anyway.



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  • Reply 18 of 46
    amorphamorph Posts: 7,112member
    The original WTC was a graceless modernist polemic that was out of all proportion to the surrounding buildings. The windows were all 18 inches wide because the designer had a fear of heights, and he didn't want the windows wider than his shoulders, to name one of the design's less obvious flaws.



    It's not defeatism to build something that is partly a memorial, and partly a much more appropriate space for that part of the city. I'll give the nod to the Think team for a far more visually interesting piece, but it inherits &mdash; and magnifies &mdash; the original towers' problem of being too damn big. Libeskind's spire reasserts the "world's tallest" claim in a more aesthetic and less (visually) oppressive way.



    I think they chose well. The Libeskind design looks good to me. It's not going to be 8th wonder of the world, but it's a good combination of looking forward and remembering what was lost.



    As for structural integrity, I'm not sure what skyscraper that tall could be expected to survive a direct hit with a commercial jet full of fuel, even if the architect was not on a crusade to eliminate the interior wall.



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  • Reply 19 of 46
    spaceman_spiffspaceman_spiff Posts: 1,242member
    <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Northeast/02/26/wtc.finalist.ap/index.html"; target="_blank">CNN</a> has a conflicting report.



    I guess Wotan and Giant beat me to it.



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  • Reply 20 of 46
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I thought the original WTC towers were monumentally awesome. They were obviously designed to dominate the skyline.



    The Libeskind looks like an office park chopped up at various angles with a meaningless spire in the mix.



    The THINK design doesn't do it for me either. It's hollow. It sorta doesn't not really kinda wants to resemble the original WTC. I would much rather have the original WTC look restored or something completely different.



    Out of all the designs I've seen considered, the Peterson-Littenberg plan was my favorite, but if I were to choose one of the two finalists, I would have probably preferred the THINK design. It was a much more daring idea.



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