Apple confirms Mac OS X 10.7 Lion to launch on Wednesday

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  • Reply 81 of 111
    cashawwcashaww Posts: 28member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by neiltc13 View Post


    Had a look at the Lion features list and I'm struggling to find one that is making me want to upgrade.



    What features do you guys think are worth paying to get?



    Screen sharing is more stealthy.
  • Reply 82 of 111
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mikepro View Post


    Stop with all of the tooting your own "as reported exclusively by Apple Insider on..."



    1. It wasn't exclusive. It was one like a dozen different sites.

    2. No one cares. We're already here reading your site, no need to toot your own horn to us.

    3. It makes the writing less appealing, and more juvenile sounding. By a lot.



    Seriously, please stop!



    Absolutely. Decent writing in the Apple news world died with ThinkSecret. Even the writing on AI got worse because they stopped being able to plagiarize passages from TS.



    Why does every article have a dead link from 2010 at the bottom ("AppleInsider seeks night/weekend writer-editor")? Also at the bottom, why are the tables of links for features and recent headlines duplicated? Seriously, this is the most un-Apple design Apple site out there.
  • Reply 83 of 111
    eksodoseksodos Posts: 186member
    AI did manage to successfully guess the release date at the third attempt. That's pretty exclusive in my book.
  • Reply 84 of 111
    revilrerevilre Posts: 67member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mstone View Post


    i never used it however I have a bias toward not creating file clutter and prefer to control the file/ folder and archiving on my own. I dislike automatic anything. I much prefer manual control.



    Then might I suggest you would be much better served by Slackware Linux.
  • Reply 85 of 111
    revilrerevilre Posts: 67member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by addicted44 View Post


    You still have complete manual control, with additional auto features. You can still hit CMD+S (I am assuming the keyboard shortcut is the same) to manually save a version.



    I will admit, Auto Save makes me nervous, but I realize its because manually is how we have been doing it all the time, and in hindsight, manual saving is a terrible idea (but necessitated by the technology of the time).



    My other worry, however, is less Luddite. I am concerned that Auto-Save will train me to not save the documents, which will cause me trouble when I am working in non-AutoSave Apps (this is not a huge worry, since I expect most apps to include this feature pretty quickly), and in Windows (this is a real worry, coz I have to use Windows at work).



    But windows will prompt you to save after you print the document! It also never crashes so you will be fine!
  • Reply 86 of 111
    lowededwookielowededwookie Posts: 1,054member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Eluard View Post


    I have had problems. Three times during my time using SL I have had whole folders disappear: pictures, downloads and movies. I could not get these folders back by fixing permissions or repairing the disk.



    Just so you know, repairing permissions does nothing to fix problems... unless the applications were installed using the Installer app. Repair disk may or may not fix the problem.



    It seems odd that the file system would be the cause of this but to confirm it I would open Terminal and make sure you're in the profile directory by typing:



    cd ~



    Then do a directory listing showing hidden files and folders like so:



    ls -la



    If they are there then the filesystem is being dicky. If not then they are well and truly gone.



    TechTools is also a really fantastic app for fixing filesystem problems but I'm not so convinced the filesystem is at fault here. TechTools would tell you though. It's expensive but extremely useful. I've used it on a number of occasions to fix corrupted filesystems on Macs. They had been pounded as they were museum display machines but they hadn't lost any data as a result of the corruption which is why I feel hesitant in blaming the filesystem for the missing files.
  • Reply 87 of 111
    lowededwookielowededwookie Posts: 1,054member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by arielauthentic View Post


    -One of the things that drives me nuts about Windows is that it makes the boot volume thrash/be accessed constantly. With all this version/resume stuff, I'm worried that my Mac is headed into the same arena of constant disk access. I mean, I'm used to knowing what's using my drive and why. Lion might make me wonder, "wtf is saving a version NOW?!" What if one works on 50MB files like in Photoshop? If it goes nuts creating versions and thrashing my drive, and slowing down what I'm CHOOSING to consciously do, I'm gonna scream.



    The reason that Windows keeps churning your drive is because it sucks at handling RAM and so keeps using virtual RAM (HDD space) when doing things. Mac OS X and other UNIX based systems are so much better at handling RAM and so don't need to access the HDD as much.
  • Reply 88 of 111
    zunxzunx Posts: 620member
    TO THE ADMINS:

    Change

    Apple had not previously not offered a specific launch date

    by

    Apple had not previously offered a specific launch date
  • Reply 89 of 111
    philboogiephilboogie Posts: 7,674member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by PaulMJohnson View Post


    OK, here's what I'm going to do.



    Convince myself that I'm going to wait a few weeks until the .1 update comes out to work out the bugs a few weeks after launch, then about eight hours after I've convinced myself of that, I'll buy it and have no problems like always.



    It'll be interesting to see how Apple handle the demand for downloads tomorrow.



    I too will wait till a .1 update since I experienced the FW wipe problem when updating to 10.3.0 and didn't like the stacks with 10.4.0.



    Besides, with Apple selling OSX mainly to laptops with their 73% share 10.7 is mainly designed for laptops. And as I'm behind a 30" ACD all day I don't need Full Screen apps, Launchpad or Mission Control. Command-Tab works just fine for me. After reading the 250+ New Features list there isn't any compelling reason for me to upgrade. And still no week numbers in iCal it seems, which I would like to have as it's much used here in Europe. I will like the last feature listed:



    "Interact with iTunes artwork in screen saver

    Turn your screen saver into a jukebox. Just click an album to play the songs."



    What features are there in Lion for desktop users you plan to use? Build-in Xsan?
  • Reply 90 of 111
    Great!!!! Can't wait. Hopefully they do release the MacBook Air's (if there is any). I've been waiting for about two weeks to buy my first Mac ever!
  • Reply 91 of 111
    I come from an all day power cut (well okay, since 3pm yesterday) back to the news that Lion will be released today! Shame about the time difference though, but at least I get to use my MacBook Pro at work to check for a download. Excited I am. I'm not a developer so this will be a 100% new experience for me
  • Reply 92 of 111
    eluardeluard Posts: 319member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lowededwookie View Post


    Just so you know, repairing permissions does nothing to fix problems... unless the applications were installed using the Installer app. Repair disk may or may not fix the problem.



    It seems odd that the file system would be the cause of this but to confirm it I would open Terminal and make sure you're in the profile directory by typing:



    cd ~



    Then do a directory listing showing hidden files and folders like so:



    ls -la



    If they are there then the filesystem is being dicky. If not then they are well and truly gone.



    TechTools is also a really fantastic app for fixing filesystem problems but I'm not so convinced the filesystem is at fault here. TechTools would tell you though. It's expensive but extremely useful. I've used it on a number of occasions to fix corrupted filesystems on Macs. They had been pounded as they were museum display machines but they hadn't lost any data as a result of the corruption which is why I feel hesitant in blaming the filesystem for the missing files.



    Thanks for the reply. I've hesitated over TechTools because of the price, but maybe I should invest. One more bit of data: Pathfinder didn't show the folders either.
  • Reply 93 of 111
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lowededwookie View Post


    Don't use NTFS much do you? The only filesystem that corrupts more easily than NTFS is FAT. Incidentally both are developed by a certain Redmond company.



    I can't say I have EVER had a problem with HFS+.



    I happen to manage a whole building of Windows PCs. Never ever had a problem with NTFS. At the same time, EVERY time I verify my HFS+ volumes with Disk Utility, it finds a bunch of errors. Also lost my data a couple of times because of power failures.
  • Reply 94 of 111
    irnchrizirnchriz Posts: 1,606member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by arielauthentic View Post


    My Lion concerns that make me hesitant:



    -When you open a document from an encrypted image, does the versioning and resume save it publicly on the boot volume? Horrible if so. I resent the possibility of being forced to encrypt a whole volume just to protect myself from the OS's built-in "wheeee, let's duplicate data the user intended to have single secure versions of".



    -With all this versioning and resume stuff, how can you know how much space your CURRENT data takes and how much of it is being eaten up by all the versions? At what point does OS X stop so you have X amount of Gigs free left on your drive? What's the process to clear ALL the versions and snapshots?



    -One of the things that drives me nuts about Windows is that it makes the boot volume thrash/be accessed constantly. With all this version/resume stuff, I'm worried that my Mac is headed into the same arena of constant disk access. I mean, I'm used to knowing what's using my drive and why. Lion might make me wonder, "wtf is saving a version NOW?!" What if one works on 50MB files like in Photoshop? If it goes nuts creating versions and thrashing my drive, and slowing down what I'm CHOOSING to consciously do, I'm gonna scream.



    -I do audio production. What if Lion starts doing a version snapshot while I'm recording multiple simultaneous tracks which is disk intensive? Is Lion the first version of OS X to be anti-audio production for potential performance issues?



    -Drive mirroring. Will drive mirroring apps like SuperDuper! now have to take longer because it has to backup the bazillions of little version/resume files/snapshots? What if I just want to make a CURRENT snapshot forgoing all the history bits? If my concern of earlier has a solution, am I know forced to manually clear the history before a cron'd backup schedule kicks in?



    Security. Performance. Multitasking and no flippin' mysteries surrounding peripheral and cpu activity. That's the way I like to compute. These are big failure points for Windows which keeps me on Macs. I don't know if Lion won't mess all this up, so I'm clinging to Snow Leopard wondering if we'll have a long-term relationship.



    Versioning does not work in all applications, only those which support the feature. The 'version' information is a record of the changes not full duplicates of the files so takes up far less space.
  • Reply 95 of 111
    irnchrizirnchriz Posts: 1,606member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by PhilBoogie View Post


    I too will wait till a .1 update since I experienced the FW wipe problem when updating to 10.3.0 and didn't like the stacks with 10.4.0.



    Besides, with Apple selling OSX mainly to laptops with their 73% share 10.7 is mainly designed for laptops. And as I'm behind a 30" ACD all day I don't need Full Screen apps, Launchpad or Mission Control. Command-Tab works just fine for me. After reading the 250+ New Features list there isn't any compelling reason for me to upgrade. And still no week numbers in iCal it seems, which I would like to have as it's much used here in Europe. I will like the last feature listed:



    "Interact with iTunes artwork in screen saver

    Turn your screen saver into a jukebox. Just click an album to play the songs."



    What features are there in Lion for desktop users you plan to use? Build-in Xsan?



    The overall performance increase by moving to full 64-bit is worth the £20.99 / $29.99 alone. Everything goes after in Lion
  • Reply 96 of 111
    dfilerdfiler Posts: 3,420member
    Early this AM, os x received an update that had something to do with lion migration. Is this an older update I somehow missed? Nobody is talking about it...
  • Reply 97 of 111
    jakevin.jakevin. Posts: 71member
    Interesting to note Apple's Online Store is undergoing maintenance. Of course so many parts will need to be updated to feature Lion but could this signify some hardware refreshes are imminent?
  • Reply 98 of 111
    asciiascii Posts: 5,936member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jakevin. View Post


    Interesting to note Apple's Online Store is undergoing maintenance. Of course so many parts will need to be updated to feature Lion but could this signify some hardware refreshes are imminent?



    Macbook Air? New Monitor? MAS is not closed.
  • Reply 99 of 111
    jakevin.jakevin. Posts: 71member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ascii View Post


    Macbook Air? New Monitor? MAS is not closed.



    Well I assume they are updating all of their images and information to feature Lion wallpaper and note its features but surely they can do that without pulling the whole store offline? So yes... I think MBA/Cinema Display/Mini might be in the works



    Here's hoping!



    Oh, and I don't expect the Mac App Store to go down... just refresh kinda thing.
  • Reply 100 of 111
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lowededwookie View Post


    The reason that Windows keeps churning your drive is because it sucks at handling RAM and so keeps using virtual RAM (HDD space) when doing things. Mac OS X and other UNIX based systems are so much better at handling RAM and so don't need to access the HDD as much.



    I know this, but we're headed to Lion-land. I'm just worried that constantly saving statuses and versions leads to the same mechanical result of a drive crunching away in interminable read/write operations. My parents have a Time Machine external USB drive and that thing is going nuts most of the time. I understand that Lion uses a Local Time Machine by default?
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