Apple launches Mac OS X 10.7 Lion on Mac App Store for $29.99

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  • Reply 61 of 183
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kgbwnet View Post


    NO.



    GM Build: 11A511

    GM InstallESD.dmg MD5: b5d3753c62bfb69866e94dca9336a44a



    App Store Build: 11A511

    App Store InstallESD.dmg MD5: b5d3753c62bfb69866e94dca9336a44a



    So, yea, bit by bit identical.



    Thanks.



    The App Store says it's 3.59GB. Looking at only the InstallESD.dmg and with formatting this should fit on the average 4GB USB flash drive. Definitely on a single layer DVD.
  • Reply 62 of 183
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    Originally Posted by paxman View Post


    Best in depth review ever. I'm starting my download now. By the way, has anyone tried this on something less than a supercharged machine? How does it compare to SL? Inevitably with OS updates, lag and slowness creeps in.



    Installed Lion on a blank 2TB HD from a Lion flash drive then migrated settings and apps from my Snow Leopard HD. I find it sluggish. Disappointed how sluggish. Wondering if some Snow Leopard settings make it so. But I did do the migration without yesterday's Snow Leopard Migration Assistant update. So right now I don't know if I should start over or if I should just hang in there until 10.7.1 comes out.



    And on my 4GB 2.4 GHz 2008 BlackBook, the Lion FaceTime is just as bad as my beta FaceTime was - unacceptably slower than slow. That was a Lion install on top of Snow Leopard 10.6.8.



    Right now I'd say it's slower than Snow Leopard on this 3 year old 8 core Mac Pro and the BlackBook. But this is just my feeling - nothing scientific. Underwhealmed would be my one word review. The thing is, I want to believe Lion is better. Just got the notice the 64-bit iTunes 10.4 is up so I'm hoping this will change my perception.
  • Reply 63 of 183
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Multimedia View Post


    I Find Lion Sluggish On My 8 Core 18GB 2.8 GHz 2008 Mac Pro



    1) Fresh installs and authorized data migrations are best.



    2) Spotlight indexing can even make a Mac Pro seem slow after an installation.
  • Reply 64 of 183
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,399member
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    Originally Posted by cloudgazer View Post


    The new scroll bars are ... interesting. The problem I'm seeing is that they don't reliably render in a way that is clear, some web-page designs can result in safari rendering them as white on white.



    Nope. They switch colors for those backgrounds.
  • Reply 65 of 183
    panupanu Posts: 135member
    In the just-so-you-know department:



    If you used Spaces a lot in Snow Leopard, be ready to lose some functionality. You can use control-arrow to move throughout the spaces as if they were on a carousel, just like before, but they are no longer in a grid. You can't take advantage of the fact that if you have nine spaces, space 2 and space 4 are both adjacent to space 1. So far I have not found any way to specify which space an application uses by default, which means I can't organize them.



    Launchpad is a good example of too much information. Launchpad shows everything in the Applications folder, including programs that you never launch directly. So far as I can tell, the only way to prevent a program from showing up in Launchpad is to uninstall it. Grouping the programs is easy but time consuming the first-time around. If you have a very messy dock, you'll have a very messy Launchpad. It doesn't cure that.



    You might not find these to be problems at all. Forewarned is forearmed (which makes it hard to buy shirts)
  • Reply 66 of 183
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,399member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Panu View Post


    So far as I can tell, the only way to prevent a program from showing up in Launchpad is to uninstall it.



    Control+Option+Command+click. Simple.



    Quote:

    Grouping the programs is easy but time consuming the first-time around. If you have a very messy dock, you'll have a very messy Launchpad. It doesn't cure that.



    Why?







    What bothers me the most is that fricking Launchpad never updates to the actual application icon. I've changed most of Apple's to BETTER icons, and they won't change.



    They'll change if you remove the application from the Applications folder, sure, but absolutely none of these are allowed to be moved. Which is abject nonsense.
  • Reply 67 of 183
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    1) Fresh installs and authorized data migrations are best.



    2) Spotlight indexing can even make a Mac Pro seem slow after an installation.



    Forgot to mention that in Zoom Mode the drag up doesn't move the Zoom view until you go over beyond the left edge. Very bad bug if you use Zoom all the time like I do.



    What's an authorized data migration? I did do a fresh install on an empty HD.
  • Reply 68 of 183
    I am puzzled. I clicked to purchase/download Lion from the App store, and the download seems to have begun, but I can get no info anywhere on the progress of the download. Am I just being obtuse? There's no download progress bar, etc.
  • Reply 69 of 183
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    Originally Posted by jonbutler View Post


    I am puzzled. I clicked to purchase/download Lion from the App store, and the download seems to have begun, but I can get no info anywhere on the progress of the download. Am I just being obtuse? There's no download progress bar, etc.



    Aha, now I see a download progress bar in the App Store icon at the bottom of my screen. If it's accurate, this is a pretty slow download.
  • Reply 70 of 183
    paxmanpaxman Posts: 4,678member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    1) Fresh installs and authorized data migrations are best.



    Fresh install - how? Lion is downloading now. Will I be presented with the usual install screen with options to do Clean Install?

    Quote:

    2) Spotlight indexing can even make a Mac Pro seem slow after an installation.



    You mean while the indexing is happening?
  • Reply 71 of 183
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


    Control+Option+Command+click. Simple.



    That's simple, but it's not an intuitive option. With Apple trying to bridge the gap user experience (read: fear) gap between iOS and Mac OS ? and there being 220 iOS devices to date ? it's easier just to click and hold the mouse over an icon to get them to wiggle, much like you'd hold your finger over an icon in iOS to get them to wiggle. Just like with iOS, App Store apps get the same as the same circle and (X) noting you can delete the app.
  • Reply 72 of 183
    paxmanpaxman Posts: 4,678member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jonbutler View Post


    I am puzzled. I clicked to purchase/download Lion from the App store, and the download seems to have begun, but I can get no info anywhere on the progress of the download. Am I just being obtuse? There's no download progress bar, etc.



    Choose 'Store' menu and then select Purchased and you will see a better progress bar
  • Reply 73 of 183
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by paxman View Post


    Fresh install - how? Lion is downloading now. Will I be presented with the usual install screen with options to do Clean Install?



    From within the Lion installer in SL you'll have the option to install Lion over SL or install Lion on a separate partition. You can also create a bootable installer of Lion and wipe your primary drive as you wish.



    Quote:

    You mean while the indexing is happening?



    Yes, while indexing.



    PS: I recommend to everyone to make a copy of the Install Mac OS X.app installer in /Applications before you do your upgrade.
  • Reply 74 of 183
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,399member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    That's simple, but it's not an intuitive option.



    It's not supposed to be. It's supposed to be something you won't do accidentally.



    The only time I ever had crap in Launchpad I didn't want there was when I installed Adobe software.



    Absolutely no other files that operate as applications (but aren't meant to be clicked) on my computer show up there. ONLY Adobe crap. And so I just deleted those applications (but kept the real Adobe ones) to solve it.
  • Reply 75 of 183
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by paxman View Post


    Choose 'Store' menu and then select Purchased and you will see a better progress bar



    Thank you very much. Much better!
  • Reply 76 of 183
    irnchrizirnchriz Posts: 1,603member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


    Control+Option+Command+click. Simple.




    That only removes APP store applications. You can no longer remove any other icons.
  • Reply 77 of 183
    scottyoscottyo Posts: 45member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MagicFingers View Post


    i am getting around 3.4 mb per second with my 35mbit internet. iThink that is pretty fast isnt it? spikes to 4.4 drops to 1.6 every once in a while. i am 2.5GB through in 15 minutes



    Here in Bellingham, WA, starting soon after 8:00 AM, I downloaded it at an average I'd estimate at about 1.7 MBps, or over 13 Mbps. I have Comcast's 12 Mbps "Performance" package for $24.95, and IMO they've exceeded their commitment. Apple has astounded me by serving it at this speed. Very pleased with both companies.



    It's rebooted and is installing right now on my 27" late 2009 i7 iMac.
  • Reply 78 of 183
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


    It's not supposed to be. It's supposed to be something you won't do accidentally.



    The only time I ever had crap in Launchpad I didn't want there was when I installed Adobe software.



    Absolutely no other files that operate as applications (but aren't meant to be clicked) on my computer show up there. ONLY Adobe crap. And so I just deleted those applications (but kept the real Adobe ones) to solve it.



    As a power user do you even use LaunchPad? I know I don't. I removed it from my Dock and haven't even organized it since the first Preview.
  • Reply 79 of 183
    jvjjvj Posts: 1member
    Hello everyone!



    I could use a little help here, please... Trying to install Lion now but when I get to "Select the Disk where you want to install Mac OS X" The Macintosh HD (SSD. 99 GB free) states "This disk cannot be used to start up your computer". I have another partition with Bootcamp running Win7 tweaked with CampTune. Does anyone have any idea why I can't install Lion on this brand new iMac 3.4 GHz i7 with 8 GB memory?



    Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks!



    Ah! Solved it! I resized the Mac HD paritition down about 5 GB by booting with the Show Leopard install disk and running the Disk Utility. Rebooted and now Lion will install. Sweet!
  • Reply 80 of 183
    macapfelmacapfel Posts: 566member
    OK, just pointed my remote to my computer and pressed 'Menu' - nothing happened. I know there are people who never used FrontRow. I did and I think was of some use.
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