No Rosetta, no deal. And that goes for both of my Macs at home and all the ones I oversee at my workplace where PPC app support is still needed.
I understand Apple not wanting to carry legacy code any longer than necessary but why it can't be made available as a separate download is beyond me.
Because as long as legacy software that holds back development is supported there is no pressure for software developers to join the rest of us in the twenty first century.
It's like web designers having to compromise everything for windows XP users running ie6. Enough is enough, six years is enough time for any company to bring their software into the modern computing world, or to go bust as they deserve to do.
Oh, that's abject nonsense. How is stealing the OS somehow better for slower bandwidth users than waiting the exact same amount of time to download it legitimately from the App Store?
I was thinking of folks for who the download fails for whatever reason - if they can get a copy of the installer another way - and then install it they might not bother to pay the $30 to be legal - of course unless they already knew that their internet would be insufficient and they started the download - then they already paid so getting a copy of the installer form another source would not be pirating.
I am not advocating - or promoting - or suggesting - or rationalizing - etc - why anyone might think it is okay to not pay $30 for what is effectively an unlimited site license - just saying that the world is a far more complicated place than any one of us can likely imagine - so the fact that some folks will get a copy and not pay for it seems inevitable.
Or even folks who are offended by Apple charging for what they consider a service pack update - or for those who for reasons I cannot comprehend think it is wrong that Apple makes a profit but who want to use Apple's products anyway and choose not to pay for it based on some perceived injustice for example.
Or consider this - if no one wanted to do it then there would not have to be a law against it - or more specifically - if no one wanted to pirate software then there would not have to be any end user license agreements or copyright laws etc - because only those who entered into an unwritten, unspoken, informal agreement with the maker by the act of transferring cash would ever use it.
I think the answer is easy. Simply, Rosetta doesn't work with Lion because Apple didn't spend the time to make it work with Lion. Rosetta relies on internal legacy OS hooks that Apple modified with Lion. It would be too much trouble to support Rosetta. Further, the cost benefit of continuing to support the legacy code isn't there.
Developers who are serious about Mac OS development will make their products Intel complaint. Companies like Intuit should be embarrassed to not have updated their products yet.
Continuing to support legacy code slows performance down for the rest of us.
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No Rosetta, no deal. And that goes for both of my Macs at home and all the ones I oversee at my workplace where PPC app support is still needed.
I understand Apple not wanting to carry legacy code any longer than necessary but why it can't be made available as a separate download is beyond me.
The upgrade on a couple of my systems actually cost me a bit more than the purchase price of the OS since I had to add rAm to a couple to get them to 4GB for the installer to be happy.
4GB will be nicer, but the installer only requires 2GB to do the install. Either way, it was money well spent.
I think the answer is easy. Simply, Rosetta doesn't work with Lion because Apple didn't spend the time to make it work with Lion. Rosetta relies on internal legacy OS hooks that Apple modified with Lion. It would be too much trouble to support Rosetta. Further, the cost benefit of continuing to support the legacy code isn't there.
Forgive me if this is a silly question, but surely the fact that it's not supported doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't work.
Can it be installed from a Snow Leopard disc? I'm just wondering if there is a hack/work around that would work, but Apple have just decided they're not going to test it/update it anymore, so they are saying it's not supported so nobody can complain if it breaks?
This is why massive distributions like these would have been better using bittorrent or some other P2P system.
Most likely that will never happen as it would be viewed as a security risk. I can also see some user's suing Apple for using their computer and bandwidth without compensation.
iCal- selecting a specific calendar and trying to create an event with it doesn't work. You have to create the event, which defaults to the first set calendar, and open up the event and change the calendar type that way. I really miss the calendar month and year grid that was on the lower left corner of old iCal- now to go to a future date you have to click the arrows continuously until you get to the month and year you need- I haven't found a way to go back to the old layout.
Mail- could not stand the new layout. Blah!! How can anybody get any serious amount of work done with that? Changed to the classic layout and I'm all set.
Mission Control- good potential, somewhat buggy to use. You can't drag windows in and out of different desktops from the mission control panel- you have to open up the desktops then go back into mission control and drag the windows to a different desktop that way.
Autosave and versions- great feature, this can really save a lot of frustration!
Address Book and iCal- I don't like the "Playskool" look they are going for with these apps. I was hoping that OS X would evolve into something much more industrial chic and not so .. consumer.
Full screen mode- not sure I will ever use this in any work type setting- don't see the point of it. Others may find use in it.
Scroll bar hiding- love it.
Gestures- love them.
Launchpad- don't see the point of it. I keep my applications folder in the dock which works much more fluidly.
All in all I'm glad this update was only $29 and not $129.
Lion has turned out to be much better than I expected. I have so far updated two pretty old machines (problem free), an early alu iMac, and an alu macBook. Both run smoother and faster, or so it seems. Certainly no performance hit which is what I expected. LOVING the full screens and swipe controls. And loving the new look.
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My honest reactions after 1 day of full use:
iCal- selecting a specific calendar and trying to create an event with it doesn't work. You have to create the event, which defaults to the first set calendar, and open up the event and change the calendar type that way. I really miss the calendar month and year grid that was on the lower left corner of old iCal- now to go to a future date you have to click the arrows continuously until you get to the month and year you need- I haven't found a way to go back to the old layout.
I use iCal on a daily basis but haven't yet really tested. The 'look' is gawd-awful. It just looks like a bad joke. I can't imagine it will last.
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Mail- could not stand the new layout. Blah!! How can anybody get any serious amount of work done with that? Changed to the classic layout and I'm all set.
Love the new Mail. Love the new controls and the look is pretty. I like the way mail handles 'conversations'.
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Mission Control- good potential, somewhat buggy to use. You can't drag windows in and out of different desktops from the mission control panel- you have to open up the desktops then go back into mission control and drag the windows to a different desktop that way.
Not tested enough
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Autosave and versions- great feature, this can really save a lot of frustration!
Agree - autosave is the way
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Address Book and iCal- I don't like the "Playskool" look they are going for with these apps. I was hoping that OS X would evolve into something much more industrial chic and not so .. consumer.
I don't think Lion is too 'consumer' except for Address Book and iCal. I have a very hard time getting past the fact that these two apps got into the final build looking like they do. AddressBook feds more work functionality wise, too. It is an important app. Does anyone use Bento instead?
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Full screen mode- not sure I will ever use this in any work type setting- don't see the point of it. Others may find use in it.
I like full screen and with the keyboard shortcut its something I will use. But there should be a way of setting it to be default mode. I suspect the fact that you have to select Full Screen each time you use it will reduce its uptake. I hat the way you loose functionality (importing) in iPhoto when using full screen.
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Scroll bar hiding- love it.
Gestures- love them.
Launchpad- don't see the point of it. I keep my applications folder in the dock which works much more fluidly.
For me LP is irrelevant - I use spotlight to launch apps
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All in all I'm glad this update was only $29 and not $129.
MSFT sold way more on its first day and for 10+x the price.
You're 100% correct, however if you consider the number of Mac's out there vs the number of PC's I think you'll find that user base vs user base Lion has a much quicker up take.
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No Rosetta, no deal. And that goes for both of my Macs at home and all the ones I oversee at my workplace where PPC app support is still needed.
I understand Apple not wanting to carry legacy code any longer than necessary but why it can't be made available as a separate download is beyond me.
Because as long as legacy software that holds back development is supported there is no pressure for software developers to join the rest of us in the twenty first century.
It's like web designers having to compromise everything for windows XP users running ie6. Enough is enough, six years is enough time for any company to bring their software into the modern computing world, or to go bust as they deserve to do.
No Rosetta, no deal. And that goes for both of my Macs at home and all the ones I oversee at my workplace where PPC app support is still needed.
I understand Apple not wanting to carry legacy code any longer than necessary but why it can't be made available as a separate download is beyond me.
Use VMWare in Lion to install Snow Leopard Server and use it just to run the PPC apps, it works like a charm.
Oh, that's abject nonsense. How is stealing the OS somehow better for slower bandwidth users than waiting the exact same amount of time to download it legitimately from the App Store?
I was thinking of folks for who the download fails for whatever reason - if they can get a copy of the installer another way - and then install it they might not bother to pay the $30 to be legal - of course unless they already knew that their internet would be insufficient and they started the download - then they already paid so getting a copy of the installer form another source would not be pirating.
I am not advocating - or promoting - or suggesting - or rationalizing - etc - why anyone might think it is okay to not pay $30 for what is effectively an unlimited site license - just saying that the world is a far more complicated place than any one of us can likely imagine - so the fact that some folks will get a copy and not pay for it seems inevitable.
Or even folks who are offended by Apple charging for what they consider a service pack update - or for those who for reasons I cannot comprehend think it is wrong that Apple makes a profit but who want to use Apple's products anyway and choose not to pay for it based on some perceived injustice for example.
Or consider this - if no one wanted to do it then there would not have to be a law against it - or more specifically - if no one wanted to pirate software then there would not have to be any end user license agreements or copyright laws etc - because only those who entered into an unwritten, unspoken, informal agreement with the maker by the act of transferring cash would ever use it.
Developers who are serious about Mac OS development will make their products Intel complaint. Companies like Intuit should be embarrassed to not have updated their products yet.
Continuing to support legacy code slows performance down for the rest of us.
No Rosetta, no deal. And that goes for both of my Macs at home and all the ones I oversee at my workplace where PPC app support is still needed.
I understand Apple not wanting to carry legacy code any longer than necessary but why it can't be made available as a separate download is beyond me.
I was thinking of folks for who the download fails for whatever reason
Then they just hit "resume" and it continues where it left off...
The upgrade on a couple of my systems actually cost me a bit more than the purchase price of the OS since I had to add rAm to a couple to get them to 4GB for the installer to be happy.
4GB will be nicer, but the installer only requires 2GB to do the install. Either way, it was money well spent.
Or have someone camped outside your house a week before the iPhone 5 is released!...
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I think the answer is easy. Simply, Rosetta doesn't work with Lion because Apple didn't spend the time to make it work with Lion. Rosetta relies on internal legacy OS hooks that Apple modified with Lion. It would be too much trouble to support Rosetta. Further, the cost benefit of continuing to support the legacy code isn't there.
Forgive me if this is a silly question, but surely the fact that it's not supported doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't work.
Can it be installed from a Snow Leopard disc? I'm just wondering if there is a hack/work around that would work, but Apple have just decided they're not going to test it/update it anymore, so they are saying it's not supported so nobody can complain if it breaks?
This is why massive distributions like these would have been better using bittorrent or some other P2P system.
Wait till Saturday and Sunday. That's gonna be a big lockup.
This is why massive distributions like these would have been better using bittorrent or some other P2P system.
Most likely that will never happen as it would be viewed as a security risk. I can also see some user's suing Apple for using their computer and bandwidth without compensation.
1 million downloads in just one day, awesome!
Apple win again, so with those app developers live on it.
iCal- selecting a specific calendar and trying to create an event with it doesn't work. You have to create the event, which defaults to the first set calendar, and open up the event and change the calendar type that way. I really miss the calendar month and year grid that was on the lower left corner of old iCal- now to go to a future date you have to click the arrows continuously until you get to the month and year you need- I haven't found a way to go back to the old layout.
Mail- could not stand the new layout. Blah!! How can anybody get any serious amount of work done with that? Changed to the classic layout and I'm all set.
Mission Control- good potential, somewhat buggy to use. You can't drag windows in and out of different desktops from the mission control panel- you have to open up the desktops then go back into mission control and drag the windows to a different desktop that way.
Autosave and versions- great feature, this can really save a lot of frustration!
Address Book and iCal- I don't like the "Playskool" look they are going for with these apps. I was hoping that OS X would evolve into something much more industrial chic and not so .. consumer.
Full screen mode- not sure I will ever use this in any work type setting- don't see the point of it. Others may find use in it.
Scroll bar hiding- love it.
Gestures- love them.
Launchpad- don't see the point of it. I keep my applications folder in the dock which works much more fluidly.
All in all I'm glad this update was only $29 and not $129.
My honest reactions after 1 day of full use:
iCal- selecting a specific calendar and trying to create an event with it doesn't work. You have to create the event, which defaults to the first set calendar, and open up the event and change the calendar type that way. I really miss the calendar month and year grid that was on the lower left corner of old iCal- now to go to a future date you have to click the arrows continuously until you get to the month and year you need- I haven't found a way to go back to the old layout.
I use iCal on a daily basis but haven't yet really tested. The 'look' is gawd-awful. It just looks like a bad joke. I can't imagine it will last.
Mail- could not stand the new layout. Blah!! How can anybody get any serious amount of work done with that? Changed to the classic layout and I'm all set.
Love the new Mail. Love the new controls and the look is pretty. I like the way mail handles 'conversations'.
Mission Control- good potential, somewhat buggy to use. You can't drag windows in and out of different desktops from the mission control panel- you have to open up the desktops then go back into mission control and drag the windows to a different desktop that way.
Not tested enough
Autosave and versions- great feature, this can really save a lot of frustration!
Agree - autosave is the way
Address Book and iCal- I don't like the "Playskool" look they are going for with these apps. I was hoping that OS X would evolve into something much more industrial chic and not so .. consumer.
I don't think Lion is too 'consumer' except for Address Book and iCal. I have a very hard time getting past the fact that these two apps got into the final build looking like they do. AddressBook feds more work functionality wise, too. It is an important app. Does anyone use Bento instead?
Full screen mode- not sure I will ever use this in any work type setting- don't see the point of it. Others may find use in it.
I like full screen and with the keyboard shortcut its something I will use. But there should be a way of setting it to be default mode. I suspect the fact that you have to select Full Screen each time you use it will reduce its uptake. I hat the way you loose functionality (importing) in iPhoto when using full screen.
Scroll bar hiding- love it.
Gestures- love them.
Launchpad- don't see the point of it. I keep my applications folder in the dock which works much more fluidly.
For me LP is irrelevant - I use spotlight to launch apps
All in all I'm glad this update was only $29 and not $129.
Who isn't but I am loving it.
MSFT sold way more on its first day and for 10+x the price.
You're 100% correct, however if you consider the number of Mac's out there vs the number of PC's I think you'll find that user base vs user base Lion has a much quicker up take.
My house is looking more and more like an apple retail store.
Ha - what a great comment. My house doesn't look that way but when I open the closet it could be the closet at Apple.
MSFT sold way more on its first day and for 10+x the price.
And yet the revenue for Microsoft's Windows division shrunk 2% in the last 2 quarters. Go figure, eh?