realistic, you're right that my original link was the incorrect one. Continue to post 13 where i reference the correct link where usa today writes "mcadam said iphone sales haven't quite been as good as the company expected. . . "
Realistic, you're right that my original link was the incorrect one. Continue to post 13 where I reference the correct link where USA Today writes "McAdam said iPhone sales haven't quite been as good as the company expected. . . "
"McAdam said iPhone sales haven't quite been as good as the company expected, chiefly because it believed a new iPhone model would arrive this summer, as it usually does. Apple hasn't said why there's no new phone yet."
The second link didn't show Verizon is *somewhat* disappointed with sales, just lack of new iPhone. (Verizon expected lines at its store like every iPhone launches but hey, there's no lines because there's no new model for us yet.)
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy
Another article, which escapes me at the moment, indicated the exact words McAdams used was "somewhat disappointed".
And what is this? Talking about something you don't even remember yourself?
The second link didn't show Verizon is *somewhat* disappointed with sales, just lack of new iPhone. (Verizon expected lines at its store like every iPhone launches but hey, there's no lines because there's no new model for us yet.)
And what is this? Talking about something you don't even remember yourself?
I suppose they could be be pleased even if sales haven't been what they expected. \
FWIW, the original mention of disappointment, and apparently what I'm recalling, came in a tweet from Peter Svensson (petersvensson), technology writer for the Associated Press:
"Verizon's McAdam said iPhone sales were somewhat disappointing, partly b/c he thought there'd be a new iPhone this summer."
I suppose they could be be pleased even if sales haven't been what they expected. \
FWIW, the original mention of disappointment, and apparently what I'm recalling, came in a tweet from Peter Svensson (petersvensson), technology writer for the Associated Press:
"Verizon's McAdam said iPhone sales were somewhat disappointing, partly b/c he thought there'd be a new iPhone this summer."
21 hours ago
You really haven't earned your pay for the past couple of days. I feel sort of sorry for you though. Everyone realizes you are a paid spin doctor and you just don't get any respect, except the other paid spin doctors, of course.
You really haven't earned your pay for the past couple of days. I feel sort of sorry for you though. Everyone realizes you are a paid spin doctor and you just don't get any respect, except the other paid spin doctors, of course.
Good morning Anonymouse. Are you up early, or on the East Coast? Or perhaps Europe? Transplanted New Englander myself, now surviving in a too hot Florida.
Good morning Anonymouse. Are you up early, or on the East Coast? Or perhaps Europe? Transplanted New Englander myself, now surviving in a too hot Florida.
You should come to London - I'm contemplating turning my heating on, our July is just that good.
You should come to London - I'm contemplating turning my heating on, our July is just that good.
I've tried. Still working on an invite from a good friend of mine who runs a forum there. Thought I had wrangled a expenses paid trip last year. I'll get there.
Since its partnership with Apple began, Verizon has been the source of numerous Apple-related leaks. In January, when the Verizon iPhone was announced, the company's chief financial officer said that Apple's next iPad would feature an integrated CDMA radio. An iPad 2 model compatible with Verizon's network launched a few months later in February.
I do not remember an iPad 2 coming out in February. For that matter I don't remember February coming a few months later than January...
The troll forgot to mention a key piece of info from the articles. This is from New York Times: "Although Verizon continued to achieve sales from its catalog of Android and 4G devices, the company sold far fewer of those devices than they did iPhones. For the quarter, the company reported sales of 1.2 million LTE and Android devices, which includes tablets, smartphones and wireless modems."
The troll forgot to mention a key piece of info from the articles. This is from New York Times: "Although Verizon continued to achieve sales from its catalog of Android and 4G devices, the company sold far fewer of those devices than they did iPhones. For the quarter, the company reported sales of 1.2 million LTE and Android devices, which includes tablets, smartphones and wireless modems."
I had no plans to mention figures for other OS's since they weren't germane to the original article. But since you apparently want it discussed, Verizon is estimated to have sold 6.3 million smartphones in the second quarter according to Citadel. The 1.2 million figure you mention is only the number of 4G devices and smartphones, most of which would be Android-based, not total Android smartphone sales.
"Verizon Wireless sold 1.2 million 4G LTE smartphones and Internet data devices, comprising mostly handsets based on Google's Android operating system.
Verizon sells the Android-based HTC Thunderbolt 4G, Samsung Droid Charge and LG Revolution smartphones, in addition to the MiFi 4510L 4G LTE Mobile Hotspot from Novatel Wireless.
Citadel estimated Verizon sold 6.3 million total smartphones in Q2."
So 2.3 million iPhones, plus 1.2 million 4G devices, nearly all Android, as reported by Verizon leaves another 2.8 million smartphones sold, some mixture of Blackberry, WM7 and Android models. Safe to assume the majority of those 2.8 million were Android based. Android smartphone sales at Verizon were probably 3 million+.
Your clip from the NYT you posted was evidently either a mis-quote or a writer's misunderstanding of the figures Verizon reported.
Lowell McAdam spoke with CNBC on Friday, and explained that his company believed Apple would release a new iPhone in the June-July timeframe, as it has done in years past. The comments suggest that Apple did not reveal any plans about its anticipated next-generation handset with one of its largest partners.
It also suggests that McAdam is an idiot. You don't run major companies on speculation. You determine what the facts are to the best of your ability and base things on facts.
I understand that Apple may not have told them (but see below), but in that case, you don't build a business plan on a non-existent, unannounced product - especially when all the rumors say that it's not coming out in June/July, anyway.
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider
The company's CFO, Fran Shammo, also revealed that both Verizon and AT&T will launch Apple's fifth-generation iPhone at the same time.
Shammo also suggested in April that Apple's fifth-generation iPhone could be a GSM-CDMA world phone, compatible with both the Verizon and AT&T networks in the U.S. That would allow Apple to manufacture one device, rather than two separate hardware versions for the two competing carriers.
That's interesting. So they claim that they didn't know that the iPhone 5 wouldn't be out in June/July because of lack of information from Apple - yet now they're saying that they know that they'll have iPhone 5 at the same time as AT&T and claiming to have advance knowledge of the new iPhone.
That's interesting. So they claim that they didn't know that the iPhone 5 wouldn't be out in June/July because of lack of information from Apple - yet now they're saying that they know that they'll have iPhone 5 at the same time as AT&T and claiming to have advance knowledge of the new iPhone.
Sounds like someone's lying.
Agreed. I guess he's trying to claim he doesn't know what he knows.
That's interesting. So they claim that they didn't know that the iPhone 5 wouldn't be out in June/July because of lack of information from Apple - yet now they're saying that they know that they'll have iPhone 5 at the same time as AT&T and claiming to have advance knowledge of the new iPhone.
Sounds like someone's lying.
They may have received an assurance that they'd get iPhone-5 at the same time as AT&T and just presumed that this meant in June/July. It might not be lying, just standard corporate snafu.
They may have received an assurance that they'd get iPhone-5 at the same time as AT&T and just presumed that this meant in June/July. It might not be lying, just standard corporate snafu.
Heh.... yeah right. I can see that conversation, going something like this:
V: So, we just want to make sure, we'll get the iPhone in June like ATT, right?
A: Oh yes, we assure you you'll get it at the same time ATT gets it.
V: OK in JUNE, like ATT... good!
A: Yes, right when ATT gets it.
V: Oh good, it'll be so nice to have a new model in JUUUUUUNE!
They may have received an assurance that they'd get iPhone-5 at the same time as AT&T and just presumed that this meant in June/July. It might not be lying, just standard corporate snafu.
Yes, it's possible that their contract says that they will receive new phones at the same time as AT&T, so that part is not necessarily a lie. HOWEVER, you left off the next part:
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider
Shammo also suggested in April that Apple's fifth-generation iPhone could be a GSM-CDMA world phone, compatible with both the Verizon and AT&T networks in the U.S.
Either they made that up - in which case they're lying, or they DO get advance information from Apple - in which case they're ALSO lying about assuming there'd be a new iPhone.
I guess it's just remotely possible that Apple gave them the technical details of the next generation phone but never told them anything at all about timing. AND, they never saw any of the rumors from any of the mainstream media that the next iPhone wouldn't be out until this fall. That just doesn't pass the smell test.
I guess it's just remotely possible that Apple gave them the technical details of the next generation phone but never told them anything at all about timing. AND, they never saw any of the rumors from any of the mainstream media that the next iPhone wouldn't be out until this fall. That just doesn't pass the smell test.
Ugh. Verizon doesn't need to read mainstream press rumors to find out when the next iPhone is due. They have a big red phone that only dials one number. If they want to find out when the next phone is coming, they call Apple and ask. Apple with either say that it's coming in June, or they say we haven't set a final date, but don't expect it in June. Apple isn't going to tell Verizon "I guess you'll just have to wait and see". There's just no way. Plus, where do you think the "mainstream press" gets its info for rumors? You think Verizon has any contacts in cell phone factories in Asia they could ask?
The fact is, what happened was that Apple told Verizon they hadn't set a ship date for the new phone, but they were aiming for June/July as usual. As time went by, it became clear to Verizon and the rest of the world that that wasn't happening. There wasn't radio silence between Apple and Verizon for 3 months. In fact, we all know that cell phone providers are a big part of new product testing for manufacturers, so they probably had pre-production hardware in April.
By that time (April, May), Verizon's "expectations" (formed in February) of the phone in June were dashed. But that doesn't mean that they didn't have those expectations in February, and planned out their financial year accordingly. The quotes from Verizon this week don't mean that Verizon, yesterday, still thought the new Phone was coming in July. They just mean that Verizon at one time expected it in July.
I can't believe all the back and forth here that assumes that Verizon has to read the newspaper to find out when they're going to be buying $1,000,000,000 worth of new product from Apple. Cmon people, don't be so dumb!
That was exactly my point. Thanks for dumbing it down for anyone not able to understand sarcasm.
Except you also seem to be saying that Apple will give the Operators months of heads up over when the date actually is or isn't - and I don't think there's any evidence of that.
Apple is an order of magnitude more secretive about this stuff than the other handset makers.
Ugh. Verizon doesn't need to read mainstream press rumors to find out when the next iPhone is due. They have a big red phone that only dials one number. If they want to find out when the next phone is coming, they call Apple and ask. Apple with either say that it's coming in June, or they say we haven't set a final date, but don't expect it in June. Apple isn't going to tell Verizon "I guess you'll just have to wait and see". There's just no way. Plus, where do you think the "mainstream press" gets its info for rumors? You think Verizon has any contacts in cell phone factories in Asia they could ask?
The fact is, what happened was that Apple told Verizon they hadn't set a ship date for the new phone, but they were aiming for June/July as usual. As time went by, it became clear to Verizon and the rest of the world that that wasn't happening. There wasn't radio silence between Apple and Verizon for 3 months. In fact, we all know that cell phone providers are a big part of new product testing for manufacturers, so they probably had pre-production hardware in April.
By that time (April, May), Verizon's "expectations" (formed in February) of the phone in June were dashed. But that doesn't mean that they didn't have those expectations in February, and planned out their financial year accordingly. The quotes from Verizon this week don't mean that Verizon, yesterday, still thought the new Phone was coming in July. They just mean that Verizon at one time expected it in July.
I can't believe all the back and forth here that assumes that Verizon has to read the newspaper to find out when they're going to be buying $1,000,000,000 worth of new product from Apple. Cmon people, don't be so dumb!
No, the point was that EVEN IF for some strange reason, Apple didn't tell them a thing, they would still be idiots for thinking it was coming in June/July.
Plus, the fact that they claim to have inside knowledge of future products strongly suggests that Apple IS telling them things - as you've suggested.
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realistic, you're right that my original link was the incorrect one. Continue to post 13 where i reference the correct link where usa today writes "mcadam said iphone sales haven't quite been as good as the company expected. . . "
http://www.usatoday.com/money/compan...earnings_n.htm
you're welcome.
nice try but link is bad as well.
Realistic, you're right that my original link was the incorrect one. Continue to post 13 where I reference the correct link where USA Today writes "McAdam said iPhone sales haven't quite been as good as the company expected. . . "
http://www.usatoday.com/money/compan...earnings_n.htm
You're welcome.
Quote:
"McAdam said iPhone sales haven't quite been as good as the company expected, chiefly because it believed a new iPhone model would arrive this summer, as it usually does. Apple hasn't said why there's no new phone yet."
The second link didn't show Verizon is *somewhat* disappointed with sales, just lack of new iPhone.
Another article, which escapes me at the moment, indicated the exact words McAdams used was "somewhat disappointed".
And what is this? Talking about something you don't even remember yourself?
The second link didn't show Verizon is *somewhat* disappointed with sales, just lack of new iPhone.
And what is this? Talking about something you don't even remember yourself?
I suppose they could be be pleased even if sales haven't been what they expected.
FWIW, the original mention of disappointment, and apparently what I'm recalling, came in a tweet from Peter Svensson (petersvensson), technology writer for the Associated Press:
"Verizon's McAdam said iPhone sales were somewhat disappointing, partly b/c he thought there'd be a new iPhone this summer."
21 hours ago
I suppose they could be be pleased even if sales haven't been what they expected.
FWIW, the original mention of disappointment, and apparently what I'm recalling, came in a tweet from Peter Svensson (petersvensson), technology writer for the Associated Press:
"Verizon's McAdam said iPhone sales were somewhat disappointing, partly b/c he thought there'd be a new iPhone this summer."
21 hours ago
You really haven't earned your pay for the past couple of days. I feel sort of sorry for you though. Everyone realizes you are a paid spin doctor and you just don't get any respect, except the other paid spin doctors, of course.
You really haven't earned your pay for the past couple of days. I feel sort of sorry for you though. Everyone realizes you are a paid spin doctor and you just don't get any respect, except the other paid spin doctors, of course.
Good morning Anonymouse. Are you up early, or on the East Coast? Or perhaps Europe? Transplanted New Englander myself, now surviving in a too hot Florida.
Good morning Anonymouse. Are you up early, or on the East Coast? Or perhaps Europe? Transplanted New Englander myself, now surviving in a too hot Florida.
You should come to London - I'm contemplating turning my heating on, our July is just that good.
You should come to London - I'm contemplating turning my heating on, our July is just that good.
I've tried.
Since its partnership with Apple began, Verizon has been the source of numerous Apple-related leaks. In January, when the Verizon iPhone was announced, the company's chief financial officer said that Apple's next iPad would feature an integrated CDMA radio. An iPad 2 model compatible with Verizon's network launched a few months later in February.
I do not remember an iPad 2 coming out in February. For that matter I don't remember February coming a few months later than January...
That compares to 2.3M iPhones (which, even the CEO admits, was yesterday's model)! http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/23/te....html?_r=1&hpw
The troll forgot to mention a key piece of info from the articles. This is from New York Times: "Although Verizon continued to achieve sales from its catalog of Android and 4G devices, the company sold far fewer of those devices than they did iPhones. For the quarter, the company reported sales of 1.2 million LTE and Android devices, which includes tablets, smartphones and wireless modems."
That compares to 2.3M iPhones (which, even the CEO admits, was yesterday's model)! http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/23/te....html?_r=1&hpw
I had no plans to mention figures for other OS's since they weren't germane to the original article. But since you apparently want it discussed, Verizon is estimated to have sold 6.3 million smartphones in the second quarter according to Citadel. The 1.2 million figure you mention is only the number of 4G devices and smartphones, most of which would be Android-based, not total Android smartphone sales.
"Verizon Wireless sold 1.2 million 4G LTE smartphones and Internet data devices, comprising mostly handsets based on Google's Android operating system.
Verizon sells the Android-based HTC Thunderbolt 4G, Samsung Droid Charge and LG Revolution smartphones, in addition to the MiFi 4510L 4G LTE Mobile Hotspot from Novatel Wireless.
Citadel estimated Verizon sold 6.3 million total smartphones in Q2."
So 2.3 million iPhones, plus 1.2 million 4G devices, nearly all Android, as reported by Verizon leaves another 2.8 million smartphones sold, some mixture of Blackberry, WM7 and Android models. Safe to assume the majority of those 2.8 million were Android based. Android smartphone sales at Verizon were probably 3 million+.
Your clip from the NYT you posted was evidently either a mis-quote or a writer's misunderstanding of the figures Verizon reported.
Lowell McAdam spoke with CNBC on Friday, and explained that his company believed Apple would release a new iPhone in the June-July timeframe, as it has done in years past. The comments suggest that Apple did not reveal any plans about its anticipated next-generation handset with one of its largest partners.
It also suggests that McAdam is an idiot. You don't run major companies on speculation. You determine what the facts are to the best of your ability and base things on facts.
I understand that Apple may not have told them (but see below), but in that case, you don't build a business plan on a non-existent, unannounced product - especially when all the rumors say that it's not coming out in June/July, anyway.
The company's CFO, Fran Shammo, also revealed that both Verizon and AT&T will launch Apple's fifth-generation iPhone at the same time.
Shammo also suggested in April that Apple's fifth-generation iPhone could be a GSM-CDMA world phone, compatible with both the Verizon and AT&T networks in the U.S. That would allow Apple to manufacture one device, rather than two separate hardware versions for the two competing carriers.
That's interesting. So they claim that they didn't know that the iPhone 5 wouldn't be out in June/July because of lack of information from Apple - yet now they're saying that they know that they'll have iPhone 5 at the same time as AT&T and claiming to have advance knowledge of the new iPhone.
Sounds like someone's lying.
That's interesting. So they claim that they didn't know that the iPhone 5 wouldn't be out in June/July because of lack of information from Apple - yet now they're saying that they know that they'll have iPhone 5 at the same time as AT&T and claiming to have advance knowledge of the new iPhone.
Sounds like someone's lying.
Agreed. I guess he's trying to claim he doesn't know what he knows.
That's interesting. So they claim that they didn't know that the iPhone 5 wouldn't be out in June/July because of lack of information from Apple - yet now they're saying that they know that they'll have iPhone 5 at the same time as AT&T and claiming to have advance knowledge of the new iPhone.
Sounds like someone's lying.
They may have received an assurance that they'd get iPhone-5 at the same time as AT&T and just presumed that this meant in June/July. It might not be lying, just standard corporate snafu.
They may have received an assurance that they'd get iPhone-5 at the same time as AT&T and just presumed that this meant in June/July. It might not be lying, just standard corporate snafu.
Heh.... yeah right. I can see that conversation, going something like this:
V: So, we just want to make sure, we'll get the iPhone in June like ATT, right?
A: Oh yes, we assure you you'll get it at the same time ATT gets it.
V: OK in JUNE, like ATT... good!
A: Yes, right when ATT gets it.
V: Oh good, it'll be so nice to have a new model in JUUUUUUNE!
A: That *would* be nice, wouldn't it. KBYE!
No chance that happened.
They may have received an assurance that they'd get iPhone-5 at the same time as AT&T and just presumed that this meant in June/July. It might not be lying, just standard corporate snafu.
Yes, it's possible that their contract says that they will receive new phones at the same time as AT&T, so that part is not necessarily a lie. HOWEVER, you left off the next part:
Shammo also suggested in April that Apple's fifth-generation iPhone could be a GSM-CDMA world phone, compatible with both the Verizon and AT&T networks in the U.S.
Either they made that up - in which case they're lying, or they DO get advance information from Apple - in which case they're ALSO lying about assuming there'd be a new iPhone.
I guess it's just remotely possible that Apple gave them the technical details of the next generation phone but never told them anything at all about timing. AND, they never saw any of the rumors from any of the mainstream media that the next iPhone wouldn't be out until this fall. That just doesn't pass the smell test.
I guess it's just remotely possible that Apple gave them the technical details of the next generation phone but never told them anything at all about timing. AND, they never saw any of the rumors from any of the mainstream media that the next iPhone wouldn't be out until this fall. That just doesn't pass the smell test.
Ugh. Verizon doesn't need to read mainstream press rumors to find out when the next iPhone is due. They have a big red phone that only dials one number. If they want to find out when the next phone is coming, they call Apple and ask. Apple with either say that it's coming in June, or they say we haven't set a final date, but don't expect it in June. Apple isn't going to tell Verizon "I guess you'll just have to wait and see". There's just no way. Plus, where do you think the "mainstream press" gets its info for rumors? You think Verizon has any contacts in cell phone factories in Asia they could ask?
The fact is, what happened was that Apple told Verizon they hadn't set a ship date for the new phone, but they were aiming for June/July as usual. As time went by, it became clear to Verizon and the rest of the world that that wasn't happening. There wasn't radio silence between Apple and Verizon for 3 months. In fact, we all know that cell phone providers are a big part of new product testing for manufacturers, so they probably had pre-production hardware in April.
By that time (April, May), Verizon's "expectations" (formed in February) of the phone in June were dashed. But that doesn't mean that they didn't have those expectations in February, and planned out their financial year accordingly. The quotes from Verizon this week don't mean that Verizon, yesterday, still thought the new Phone was coming in July. They just mean that Verizon at one time expected it in July.
I can't believe all the back and forth here that assumes that Verizon has to read the newspaper to find out when they're going to be buying $1,000,000,000 worth of new product from Apple. Cmon people, don't be so dumb!
Heh.... yeah right. I can see that conversation, going something like this:
V: So, we just want to make sure, we'll get the iPhone in June like ATT, right?
A: Oh yes, we assure you you'll get it at the same time ATT gets it.
V: OK in JUNE, like ATT... good!
A: Yes, right when ATT gets it.
V: Oh good, it'll be so nice to have a new model in JUUUUUUNE!
A: That *would* be nice, wouldn't it. KBYE!
No chance that happened.
V: So, we just want to make sure, we'll get the iPhone in June like ATT, right?
A: We assure you you'll get it at the same time ATT gets it, but we're not ready to announce a date.
Fixed that for you.
V: So, we just want to make sure, we'll get the iPhone in June like ATT, right?
A: We assure you you'll get it at the same time ATT gets it, but we're not ready to announce a date.
Fixed that for you.
That was exactly my point. Thanks for dumbing it down for anyone not able to understand sarcasm.
That was exactly my point. Thanks for dumbing it down for anyone not able to understand sarcasm.
Except you also seem to be saying that Apple will give the Operators months of heads up over when the date actually is or isn't - and I don't think there's any evidence of that.
Apple is an order of magnitude more secretive about this stuff than the other handset makers.
Ugh. Verizon doesn't need to read mainstream press rumors to find out when the next iPhone is due. They have a big red phone that only dials one number. If they want to find out when the next phone is coming, they call Apple and ask. Apple with either say that it's coming in June, or they say we haven't set a final date, but don't expect it in June. Apple isn't going to tell Verizon "I guess you'll just have to wait and see". There's just no way. Plus, where do you think the "mainstream press" gets its info for rumors? You think Verizon has any contacts in cell phone factories in Asia they could ask?
The fact is, what happened was that Apple told Verizon they hadn't set a ship date for the new phone, but they were aiming for June/July as usual. As time went by, it became clear to Verizon and the rest of the world that that wasn't happening. There wasn't radio silence between Apple and Verizon for 3 months. In fact, we all know that cell phone providers are a big part of new product testing for manufacturers, so they probably had pre-production hardware in April.
By that time (April, May), Verizon's "expectations" (formed in February) of the phone in June were dashed. But that doesn't mean that they didn't have those expectations in February, and planned out their financial year accordingly. The quotes from Verizon this week don't mean that Verizon, yesterday, still thought the new Phone was coming in July. They just mean that Verizon at one time expected it in July.
I can't believe all the back and forth here that assumes that Verizon has to read the newspaper to find out when they're going to be buying $1,000,000,000 worth of new product from Apple. Cmon people, don't be so dumb!
No, the point was that EVEN IF for some strange reason, Apple didn't tell them a thing, they would still be idiots for thinking it was coming in June/July.
Plus, the fact that they claim to have inside knowledge of future products strongly suggests that Apple IS telling them things - as you've suggested.