South Korea fines Apple nearly $3k for 'illegal' location tracking

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  • Reply 21 of 36
    emacs72emacs72 Posts: 356member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mhikl View Post


    S Korea needs a good lesson ...



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    with that attitude i hope you never start or run a business because it'll be an absolute failure. Samsung is one of Apple's most important business partners and South Korea is a fantastic market in the smartphone / mobile device arena.
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  • Reply 22 of 36
    3 million won? I think we can all say that Apple won too!
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  • Reply 23 of 36
    sockrolidsockrolid Posts: 2,789member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mhikl View Post


    S Korea needs a good lesson.



    1. No new contracts with Samsung or any other Korean company.

    2. Continue to sue the hell out of Samsung for patent infringements. Be blood thirsty, Apple.

    3. Don't sell anything Apple to S Koreans. Let them stew with Android.



    Enough is enough.



    #1 rule for Apple component suppliers: You mess with Apple, you lose Apple's business.



    Way back in 2000, some PR weenie at ATI sent out a press release that leaked news of several new iMac models just a few days ahead of Steve Jobs' Macworld announcement. (Can't remember if it was SF or NY or Boston Macworld.) Steve was so angry at ATI that he removed all mention of ATI or Radeon from his keynote, despite the fact that a new, powerful Radeon GPU was newly available in many Mac models. All signage at the Apple booth that mentioned ATI or Radeon was crossed out or removed.



    Apple began promoting NVIDIA GPUs soon after that, I believe, and ATI became a second class citizen among Apple component suppliers. ATI got the smackdown just for mentioning a few new iMacs. No, ATI didn't get completely cut out of Apple's products. But I'm sure Steve would have done it if he could.



    And now Samsung is trying to sue Apple? After blatantly cloning the iPad design? Goodbye Samsung. Hello Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company!



    TSCM may produce A5 SoCs for Apple:

    http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...o_samsung.html



    TSMC starts trial A6 production:

    http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...ps_report.html



    TSMC home page:

    http://www.tsmc.com/english/default.htm
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  • Reply 24 of 36
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mhikl View Post


    S Korea needs a good lesson.



    1. No new contracts with Samsung or any other Korean company.

    2. Continue to sue the hell out of Samsung for patent infringements. Be blood thirsty, Apple.

    3. Don't sell anything Apple to S Koreans. Let them stew with Android.



    Enough is enough.



    That would be the deathblow for the US economoy.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SockRolid View Post


    TSCM may produce A5 SoCs for Apple:

    http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...o_samsung.html



    TSMC starts trial A6 production:

    http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...ps_report.html



    TSMC home page:

    http://www.tsmc.com/english/default.htm



    The very same TSMC, which just recently announced - we didn't see that coming, did we? - problems with it's 28 nm manufactoring process?
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  • Reply 25 of 36
    nagrommenagromme Posts: 2,834member
    I know it stings, Apple, but you made the bug?you pay the price!



    Get back on the horse, and try to do better next time. Money doesn?t grow on trees!
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  • Reply 26 of 36
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    Originally Posted by nagromme View Post


    I know it stings, Apple, but you made the bug?you pay the price!



    Get back on the horse, and try to do better next time. Money doesn?t grow on trees!



    I'd be interested in knowing what the Korean law says. They have been using our iPhones to build their wifi-location database, which I don't consider tracking me but many did.



    And Apple is still getting that data (used for calculating future users' positions) - with 3 exceptions

    1) there's only 1 week of locations cached

    2) it's encrypted on the computer it's backed up on.

    3) we have an option to turn it off



    I presume those changes are enough to protect Apple in future?



    I'd happily have a 1 year cache. I like my iPhone knowing my location the instant it sees the wifi.
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  • Reply 27 of 36
    macrulezmacrulez Posts: 2,455member
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  • Reply 28 of 36
    galbigalbi Posts: 968member
    Quote:

    According to the KCC, Apple Korea compiled data concerning the whereabouts of 2 million iPhone users from June 22 last year to May 4. Although the company said it had first obtained customers' consent, Apple violated the law because it did not inform them that such information was being monitored and stored even after the tracking function was turned off.



    Apple stored the location of cellphone towers and Wi-Fi hotspots in users' phones but did not try to find out who the iPhones belonged to, the commission concluded.



    In a press briefing, Seok Je-beom of the KCC said, "We found that Apple collected data not to track the location of specific users but to improve its location information service, so we imposed a relatively small fine."



    The Korean law on the protection of personal information imposes a jail sentence of up to five years or a fine of up to W50 million if guilty parties are found to have collected location data without customers' consent.



    If Apple were found guity of the personal information to track people, the MAX fine would have been $ 47,232 (50 million won) x 2 million people = $94.5 BILLION.



    Remember, this is just the decision set by the courts (government). We aren't even talking about the likely CIVIL lawsuits from the 2 million customers that would sue for damages related to their tracking and invasion of privacy. I'd say, Apple dodged a bullet on this one.
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  • Reply 29 of 36
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Galbi View Post


    If Apple were found guity of the personal information to track people, the MAX fine would have been $ 47,232 (50 million won) x 2 million people = $94.5 BILLION.



    It's a good thing that didn't happen at all for any reason whatsoever, huh?
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  • Reply 30 of 36
    galbigalbi Posts: 968member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mhikl View Post


    S Korea needs a good lesson.



    1. No new contracts with Samsung or any other Korean company.

    2. Continue to sue the hell out of Samsung for patent infringements. Be blood thirsty, Apple.

    3. Don't sell anything Apple to S Koreans. Let them stew with Android.



    Enough is enough.





    Too bad, Apple wont (cant) leave away from the tentacles of Samsung.
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  • Reply 31 of 36
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,464member
    Consumers never win here. If anything cost Apple substantially they'd simply raise Mac prices ever so slightly and amortize any payments out via their Mac sales or iTunes purchases.
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  • Reply 32 of 36
    charlitunacharlituna Posts: 7,217member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by tumme-totte View Post


    Well, no. But it's not a B2B thing. It's one private user.





    Not according to the AP article that AI used as a source. That article says nothing about 'per user'
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  • Reply 33 of 36
    nvidia2008nvidia2008 Posts: 9,262member
    South Korea found that Apple's location services were not "smooth" enough.
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  • Reply 34 of 36
    nvidia2008nvidia2008 Posts: 9,262member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Stupidhero View Post


    The very same TSMC, which just recently announced - we didn't see that coming, did we? - problems with it's 28 nm manufactoring process?



    Gawd TSMC is continually in the news with their manufacturing problems. Nvidia's failures to get to 40nm with TSMC due to TSMC or Nvidia's bloated post-G92 GPU designs has cost both of them dearly.
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  • Reply 35 of 36
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,772member
    FWIW, the Korean news report on the fines, Apple and Google.



    http://joongangdaily.joins.com/artic...sp?aid=2939771
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  • Reply 36 of 36
    macrulezmacrulez Posts: 2,455member
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