Are we of the same frequency??? Is it Nortel (mobile networks), not Novell (LAN specialist), that the consortium bought the patents which Google is bitching about that their Android may be in jeopardy?
Instead of making endless comments (to the -already- converted), let's take action by switching our search engine pref. to Yahoo, or Bing, of all things.
If the public awareness of Google getting more and more evil, would pick up, and many people would avoid searching with Google, it would really hurt.
Of course, the ultimate weapon would be a Google blocker, because just removing Google from your own search prefs doesn't remove it from all those banners (with related Google search results that are obtained partly by spying on you) embedded in lots of web pages.
This said, I must admit that Google's web apps are getting nicer and slicker every day. Their GUI even starts approaching that of iWork apps. Just a coincidence, I guess .
Even better is a plugin, or MS/Apple opt in thing (so it is platform universal) that detects google placed ads and replaces them with ones from their own networks.
Are we of the same frequency??? Is it Nortel (mobile networks), not Novell (LAN specialist), that the consortium bought the patents which Google is bitching about that their Android may be in jeopardy?
After reading the article one should read the comments before commenting ;-
So Google's argument is invalid because they didn't collude with MSFT to bid on the the Novell patents which were eventually sold to Microsoft, Apple, EMC and Oracle in December 2010 for 450 million, and then went on to not place an individual bid at all?
The MS email refers to the Novell patents (a given since it's dated October, at which point the Nortel patents weren't even on sale), of which Google didn't even attempt to bid for.
Kudos to MSFT though, it's a great sleight of hand.
It was already public knowledge that Google had placed an initial $900 million bid for the Novell patents, then upped its bid to more than $3 billion before ultimately losing to the consortium's $4.5 billion bid.
This is obviously supposed to be Nortel here. This article is very confusing.
To google, the only true, honest, pure, noble, and good way to make money is by selling advertising. The idea of one person paying another for creating something useful is twisted and wrong. If you want to get paid for creating something useful, the Right way is to sell advertising space on your useful thing, using google as the middle man between you and the advertiser. That's how God intended. Oh, and if someone copies the thing you made, and also tries to make money off of it by selling advertising using google as the middle man, then it is sinful for you to feel jealousy in your lustful heart. For truly the only value in a thing lies solely in it's ability to maximize the holy ad revenue.
Those things you call "patents" and "copyrights" interfere with the maximization of the holy ad revenue. They are wicked things, devised by wicked men.
I already use Bing 90 percent of the time. Most of the time its results are comparable to Google. I also like how Bing allows you to earn points using it, which you can redeem for things like X-BOx points.
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Well said, MS (for once).
Instead of making endless comments (to the -already- converted), let's take action by switching our search engine pref. to Yahoo, or Bing, of all things.
If the public awareness of Google getting more and more evil, would pick up, and many people would avoid searching with Google, it would really hurt.
Of course, the ultimate weapon would be a Google blocker, because just removing Google from your own search prefs doesn't remove it from all those banners (with related Google search results that are obtained partly by spying on you) embedded in lots of web pages.
This said, I must admit that Google's web apps are getting nicer and slicker every day. Their GUI even starts approaching that of iWork apps. Just a coincidence, I guess .
Google complains that the patents got bid up to high, yet they helped bid them up. It's bad enough they engaged in a campaign of public WHINING, but now they've been caught in a lie.
You just hadda know a company that chose 'Don't Be Evil' as a slogan was just tempting fate. It's like a Greek Tragedy.
It is NORTEL not Novell. Microsoft was talking about the Novell patents NOT the NORTEL patents... Microsoft didn't say anything about the NORTEL patents... who cares about the Novell patents, an archaic network OS that AFAIK is not even in use anymore... it is the NORTEL patents that are at issue here... Geez...
I wish authors would do some proofreading before they put their foot in their mouth for the world to see... Geez.... if Daniel Eran Dilger makes such obvious mistakes, I will have to stop reading him all together...
It is NORTEL not Novell. Microsoft was talking about the Novell patents NOT the NORTEL patents... Microsoft didn't say anything about the NORTEL patents... who cares about the Novell patents, an archaic network OS that AFAIK is not even in use anymore... it is the NORTEL patents that are at issue here... Geez...
I wish authors would do some proofreading before they put their foot in their mouth for the world to see... Geez.... if Daniel Eran Dilger makes such obvious mistakes, I will have to stop reading him all together...
I was just gonna post this.. Nortel and Novell are completely separate beasts...
Google made its bed and sought to undermine the whole industry by giving away a subsidized operating system (Note I said subsidized, not free) to the carriers to use instead of Windows Mobile Platform. In return, Google collects information that it can use to sell advertising to companies.
Its a great model for Google but is highly anti competitive in itself... because they are using other lines of business to support the development of the OS instead of generating revenue to offset the R&D costs.
It is NORTEL not Novell. Microsoft was talking about the Novell patents NOT the NORTEL patents... Microsoft didn't say anything about the NORTEL patents... who cares about the Novell patents, an archaic network OS that AFAIK is not even in use anymore... it is the NORTEL patents that are at issue here... Geez...
I wish authors would do some proofreading before they put their foot in their mouth for the world to see... Geez.... if Daniel Eran Dilger makes such obvious mistakes, I will have to stop reading him all together...
Perhaps simply responding to headlines is a symptom of the modern media age but reading more often helps. Here is the original Tweet from Brad Smith, not I should add, written by DED.
Google says we bought Novell patents to keep them from Google. Really? We asked them to bid jointly with us. They said no.
12 hours ago via web
This from MacRumors (I hope it is OK to quote MR here?) helps explain both Nortel and Novell are in the mix. However DED was correct in quoting Brad Smith as shown above. http://www.macrumors.com/2011/08/03/...ainst-android/
"Google believes Microsoft, Oracle, Apple and other companies are waging a "hostile, organized campaign against Android" though "bogus patents", according to a post on the Official Google Blog:
They’re doing this by banding together to acquire Novell’s old patents (the “CPTN” group including Microsoft and Apple) and Nortel’s old patents (the “Rockstar” group including Microsoft and Apple), to make sure Google didn’t get them; seeking $15 licensing fees for every Android device; attempting to make it more expensive for phone manufacturers to license Android (which we provide free of charge) than Windows Mobile; and even suing Barnes & Noble, HTC, Motorola, and Samsung. Patents were meant to encourage innovation, but lately they are being used as a weapon to stop it.
The post, written by David Drummond, Senior Vice President and Chief Legal Officer at Google, also attacks Microsoft and Apple's $4.5 billion winning bid for Nortel's portfolio (which is currently under investigation by the Department of Justice on antitrust grounds), saying the patent war is "escalating the cost of patents way beyond what they’re really worth." Google's final losing bid for Nortel's patent assets was around $4 billion.
A few weeks ago, it was rumored that Apple and Google were weighing competing bids for InterDigital, a mobile-technology firm that has an extensive wireless patent portfolio. That portfolio could sell for billions as well."
Screw Google. They just should have stuck with search. At first, they were so much better than the competition, they killed them all. Instead of focusing on keeping ahead of those who figured our how to game PageRank, they stuck their fingers into random areas like YouTube and Picasa.
Now, Google searches are mediocre at best (when I started using Google in the 90's, the search results were so good, you'd think they were psychic.) They need to get back to basics instead of being a holding company for a bunch of various businesses.
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Well said, MS (for once).
Instead of making endless comments (to the -already- converted), let's take action by switching our search engine pref. to Yahoo, or Bing, of all things.
If the public awareness of Google getting more and more evil, would pick up, and many people would avoid searching with Google, it would really hurt.
Of course, the ultimate weapon would be a Google blocker, because just removing Google from your own search prefs doesn't remove it from all those banners (with related Google search results that are obtained partly by spying on you) embedded in lots of web pages.
This said, I must admit that Google's web apps are getting nicer and slicker every day. Their GUI even starts approaching that of iWork apps. Just a coincidence, I guess
Even better is a plugin, or MS/Apple opt in thing (so it is platform universal) that detects google placed ads and replaces them with ones from their own networks.
But Google does evil while saying they are the righteous. That makes them even more evil.
Are we of the same frequency??? Is it Nortel (mobile networks), not Novell (LAN specialist), that the consortium bought the patents which Google is bitching about that their Android may be in jeopardy?
After reading the article one should read the comments before commenting ;-
AI even reported on this last year
The apparent acquisition of Novell patents is not to be confused with a patent sale from a very different, but similarly named company, Nortel.
Maybe AI should follow its own advice.
Is it Novell or Nortel?
The MS email refers to the Novell patents (a given since it's dated October, at which point the Nortel patents weren't even on sale), of which Google didn't even attempt to bid for.
Kudos to MSFT though, it's a great sleight of hand.
It was already public knowledge that Google had placed an initial $900 million bid for the Novell patents, then upped its bid to more than $3 billion before ultimately losing to the consortium's $4.5 billion bid.
This is obviously supposed to be Nortel here. This article is very confusing.
Those things you call "patents" and "copyrights" interfere with the maximization of the holy ad revenue. They are wicked things, devised by wicked men.
Sinners, repent!
This is obviously supposed to be Nortel here. This article is very confusing.
yeah I agree. That surely pointed to Nortel. WTH going on here???
Well said, MS (for once).
Instead of making endless comments (to the -already- converted), let's take action by switching our search engine pref. to Yahoo, or Bing, of all things.
If the public awareness of Google getting more and more evil, would pick up, and many people would avoid searching with Google, it would really hurt.
Of course, the ultimate weapon would be a Google blocker, because just removing Google from your own search prefs doesn't remove it from all those banners (with related Google search results that are obtained partly by spying on you) embedded in lots of web pages.
This said, I must admit that Google's web apps are getting nicer and slicker every day. Their GUI even starts approaching that of iWork apps. Just a coincidence, I guess
You just hadda know a company that chose 'Don't Be Evil' as a slogan was just tempting fate. It's like a Greek Tragedy.
I wish authors would do some proofreading before they put their foot in their mouth for the world to see... Geez.... if Daniel Eran Dilger makes such obvious mistakes, I will have to stop reading him all together...
It is NORTEL not Novell. Microsoft was talking about the Novell patents NOT the NORTEL patents... Microsoft didn't say anything about the NORTEL patents... who cares about the Novell patents, an archaic network OS that AFAIK is not even in use anymore... it is the NORTEL patents that are at issue here... Geez...
I wish authors would do some proofreading before they put their foot in their mouth for the world to see... Geez.... if Daniel Eran Dilger makes such obvious mistakes, I will have to stop reading him all together...
I was just gonna post this.. Nortel and Novell are completely separate beasts...
Google made its bed and sought to undermine the whole industry by giving away a subsidized operating system (Note I said subsidized, not free) to the carriers to use instead of Windows Mobile Platform. In return, Google collects information that it can use to sell advertising to companies.
Its a great model for Google but is highly anti competitive in itself... because they are using other lines of business to support the development of the OS instead of generating revenue to offset the R&D costs.
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It is NORTEL not Novell. Microsoft was talking about the Novell patents NOT the NORTEL patents... Microsoft didn't say anything about the NORTEL patents... who cares about the Novell patents, an archaic network OS that AFAIK is not even in use anymore... it is the NORTEL patents that are at issue here... Geez...
I wish authors would do some proofreading before they put their foot in their mouth for the world to see... Geez.... if Daniel Eran Dilger makes such obvious mistakes, I will have to stop reading him all together...
Perhaps simply responding to headlines is a symptom of the modern media age but reading more often helps. Here is the original Tweet from Brad Smith, not I should add, written by DED.
@BradSmi
Brad Smith
Google says we bought Novell patents to keep them from Google. Really? We asked them to bid jointly with us. They said no.
12 hours ago via web
This from MacRumors (I hope it is OK to quote MR here?) helps explain both Nortel and Novell are in the mix. However DED was correct in quoting Brad Smith as shown above. http://www.macrumors.com/2011/08/03/...ainst-android/
"Google believes Microsoft, Oracle, Apple and other companies are waging a "hostile, organized campaign against Android" though "bogus patents", according to a post on the Official Google Blog:
They’re doing this by banding together to acquire Novell’s old patents (the “CPTN” group including Microsoft and Apple) and Nortel’s old patents (the “Rockstar” group including Microsoft and Apple), to make sure Google didn’t get them; seeking $15 licensing fees for every Android device; attempting to make it more expensive for phone manufacturers to license Android (which we provide free of charge) than Windows Mobile; and even suing Barnes & Noble, HTC, Motorola, and Samsung. Patents were meant to encourage innovation, but lately they are being used as a weapon to stop it.
The post, written by David Drummond, Senior Vice President and Chief Legal Officer at Google, also attacks Microsoft and Apple's $4.5 billion winning bid for Nortel's portfolio (which is currently under investigation by the Department of Justice on antitrust grounds), saying the patent war is "escalating the cost of patents way beyond what they’re really worth." Google's final losing bid for Nortel's patent assets was around $4 billion.
A few weeks ago, it was rumored that Apple and Google were weighing competing bids for InterDigital, a mobile-technology firm that has an extensive wireless patent portfolio. That portfolio could sell for billions as well."
Those Google people sure seem like a bunch of whiners and sissies.
Let's hope they lose their ad-vantage
Now, Google searches are mediocre at best (when I started using Google in the 90's, the search results were so good, you'd think they were psychic.) They need to get back to basics instead of being a holding company for a bunch of various businesses.
This from MacRumors (I hope it is OK to quote MR here?)
Happens all the time... I would have added a link for proper citation, but that's just me...