next Ti must be fan less!
frankly, i think the current model is bad engineered, period.
Ok, it's a great computer, but it suffers SO MUCH from design flaws (heat issues, fan scandal, wireless reception) that it makes no sense.
Seriously, what would you say if it was made from Dell?
-..look, those pcidiots are melting with their computers haha..
-..what? i can't hear you, there may be some bulldozer nearby..
Ti owners are trying to find ways to slow down the processor (not possible anymore) to avoid the fans and the burned laps.
And audio engineers and musicians must buy ibooks -without cardslots for serious audio cards!- because the fans make the Ti's simply useless (smart move Apple, once again, after years of screwing your faithful audio customers).
Change the Titanium material for carbon-epoxy or.. neoprene. Design a cooler G4. make it thicker as the ibook. whatever.
but build a really pro and well designed computer, worth thousands €€€€ (and not one that simply 'looks nice').
ok, i feel better now, uf. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
Ok, it's a great computer, but it suffers SO MUCH from design flaws (heat issues, fan scandal, wireless reception) that it makes no sense.
Seriously, what would you say if it was made from Dell?
-..look, those pcidiots are melting with their computers haha..
-..what? i can't hear you, there may be some bulldozer nearby..
Ti owners are trying to find ways to slow down the processor (not possible anymore) to avoid the fans and the burned laps.
And audio engineers and musicians must buy ibooks -without cardslots for serious audio cards!- because the fans make the Ti's simply useless (smart move Apple, once again, after years of screwing your faithful audio customers).
Change the Titanium material for carbon-epoxy or.. neoprene. Design a cooler G4. make it thicker as the ibook. whatever.
but build a really pro and well designed computer, worth thousands €€€€ (and not one that simply 'looks nice').
ok, i feel better now, uf. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
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Could you pass me that crack pipe you're somking?
Quieter fan, sure, that's a good and needed thing. But no fan at all? You're dreamin....
btw there will be a fan, would you rather the thing get thicker? squash that much power into so small a space and you're gunna have a warm little bugger
[ 02-22-2002: Message edited by: janitor ]</p>
On the other hand it is VERY hot. The PowerBook G4 label on the one i use is starting to come off and adhere to the base...hopefully Apollo's will solve this.
I have a TiBook and I love it. Apple's engineers will come up with a solution, they always do, just give them time.
-- PEte
Go away troll.
[ 02-22-2002: Message edited by: Nostradamus ]</p>
<strong>Even the new G4s would be too hot. Asking for a fanless computer with a fairly graphics card, processor and combo drive within a 1" sandwich means that the person asking doesn't design computers.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I've heard a bit about relatively high air volume tower fans that are also nearly silent. Is anyone working on a laptop version? I can imagine what a problem a lot of fan noise might pose to a musician.
Just thinking out loud...
-mithral
that'd be cool...
hehe... cool...
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<strong>frankly, i think the current model is bad engineered, period.
Ok, it's a great computer, but it suffers SO MUCH from design flaws (heat issues, fan scandal, wireless reception) that it makes no sense.
Seriously, what would you say if it was made from Dell?
-..look, those pcidiots are melting with their computers haha..
-..what? i can't hear you, there may be some bulldozer nearby..
Ti owners are trying to find ways to slow down the processor (not possible anymore) to avoid the fans and the burned laps.
And audio engineers and musicians must buy ibooks -without cardslots for serious audio cards!- because the fans make the Ti's simply useless (smart move Apple, once again, after years of screwing your faithful audio customers).
Change the Titanium material for carbon-epoxy or.. neoprene. Design a cooler G4. make it thicker as the ibook. whatever.
but build a really pro and well designed computer, worth thousands €€€€ (and not one that simply 'looks nice').
ok, i feel better now, uf. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
1.) design flaws? mine gets hot, yes. design flaw? not really. Dells get very hot. airport reception? while not as good as an iBook its a hell of a lot better than revision a and works throughout my whole house. fans? fans have 2-3 stages. first is silent, second you hear a little, third only comes on when the system gets really hot and it turns off as soon as it cools. yes its loud but its definitely not bad.
2.) audio engineers. what other choice do they have? A Dell Inspiron? guess what, those have huge fans mounted VERTICALLY. the thing is is loud, poorly designed and hot.
3.) Powerbook is probably the best designed portable out there. And having the metal case actually helps the heat dissapation
It is looking pretty underpowered in Apple's current line up...
I work at an office supply store so I get to play with the latest PC notebook and desktop computers. I can?t say that I?m impressed with them, but if you're looking for a noisy, heavy, poorly designed notebook then you come see me. I'll be happy to set you up with one.
My point being... Apple has gone gold with this little guy. Why did I lay down almost $3,000 for my TiBook when I could have bought a PC notebook and received a 10% employee discount? Uh, they're better... duh.
Well not all of them, but quite a few.
Ok, actually only one. Burned laps. Not good.
Aluminum. You need about a 3/16" piece of high quality aluminum alloy cut to match the footprint of the TiBook. Preferrably something with very shallow ribs, maybe a total thinkness of 1/4". I can't remember what the bottom of the book looks like, but where the four feet are located you could have possibly four little pads that keep your alloy plate just a millimeter or so from the underside of the machine. If there are screws under there, that'd be perfect. Remove Apple screws and use longer screws to permanently mount the plate to your book.
The battery is a problem, so you have to have a cutout for that, and a little foot or plate to go on the battery (so it's all the same height.) The piece could even be perforated like those old motocross heat shields. If there aren't any screws, I'm sure there's a solid strip, high temp adhesive that you could use to make a peel and stick alloy cool plate. The air between the plate an the bottom of your book ought to buffer you from a lot of the heat, yet still the the book dissapate heat as if it were stilling on any flat desk surface. I think A lot of Ti owners might buy something like that if it were available.
Of course Apple could have avoided many of these concerns by making the machine about an 1/8th to 3/16th's of an inch thicker in the first place. A little extra material on the display lid (for strength) and slightly reworked bottom for a touch more cooling volume (in the base itself) -- would also be stronger. Maybe even a perforated plastic pad affixed to the bottom of the machine. Somethin slightly rubberized that they could market as 'non-slip' -- still lets the heat through, buy keeps it form directly scalding your lap.
[ 02-23-2002: Message edited by: Master ]</p>
<strong>I hate that my first post here has to be so negative, but... amen, applenut! If people have a problem with the TiBook then I would prefer they take there business elsewhere and not bash on Apple.</strong><hr></blockquote>
umm. just because someone points out problems with the tibook does not mean they should leave the platform. do you people who keep defending apple on this even HAVE rev 2 titanium. the fan on my 667 is on pretty much all the time. sometimes i'll wake it from a night of sleep and the stage one fan will kick in immediately. surfing the web will kick in the loud stage of the fan pretty quickly. i love my titanium, but there are problems with the current design. face it.
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umm. just because someone points out problems with the tibook does not mean they should leave the platform. do you people who keep defending apple on this even HAVE rev 2 titanium. the fan on my 667 is on pretty much all the time. sometimes i'll wake it from a night of sleep and the stage one fan will kick in immediately. surfing the web will kick in the loud stage of the fan pretty quickly. i love my titanium, but there are problems with the current design. face it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I have a very nice Powerbook G4/667 thank you.
surfing the web NEVER brings in the 3rd stage fan. Maybe you are just like my great grandmother and pump the heat so it's 90 degrees in your house
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the fan of my 400 runs only when the
thing stands on my bed..
the fan of my new 500 also.
does the 550 fan gets on more often??
Dual G4 Titaniums: Never. Even if the battery could last long enough, it would be far to hot.
Fanless Titanium: Only if Apple goes back to a 233 MHz G3.