Bah - they could do that today if they wanted. The Monterey Aquarium has a single-pane window 15 feet x 54 feet, and that's having to hold back 1,000,000 gallons of water.
I think you are probably right, but holding back water is not the same thing as holding up weight. For the first it just has to be firmly fixed at the edges and very inflexible, to use as a structural element it has to be able to take twisting strains applied to the edges.
I think you are right though, possibly it's just the aesthetics that leads them not to use that glass. It would be much thicker than the glass they are using for instance.
Bah - they could do that today if they wanted. The Monterey Aquarium has a single-pane window 15 feet x 54 feet, and that's having to hold back 1,000,000 gallons of water.
Aquariums' glass panels are designed to withstand pressure in specific ways, that are nothing like what goes into a building design. I'm not saying you're wrong and such glass panels are impossible to produce today, only that your comparison isn't adequate. The two uses of glass are very very different (and btw aquariums panels are not made of 'glass' usually).
Bah - they could do that today if they wanted. The Monterey Aquarium has a single-pane window 15 feet x 54 feet, and that's having to hold back 1,000,000 gallons of water.
Are you sure they aren't using polycarbonate? I imagine that's a lot thicker, whatever the material is.
Also note that the cube is a lot more than 15ft on a side. Write back when it's 40 ft x 40 ft, because it's not just about the stresses, it might be that such a big pane of glass might not be possible on machinery that's running right now.
Wasn't there some stipulation back when the original cube was built that Jobs could take the cube in his possession at some point, having paid for it? Can anyone verify this? I remember thinking "what the hell is he going to do with that thing?" but perhaps his home is being constructed and he wants a little piece of Apple Retail history. Would make a great greenhouse, endless pool room, workout space, sunroom (!) etc.
Are you sure they aren't using polycarbonate? I imagine that's a lot thicker, whatever the material is.
Also note that the cube is a lot more than 15ft on a side. Write back when it's 40 ft x 40 ft, because it's not just about the stresses, it might be that such a big pane of glass might not be possible on machinery that's running right now.
I imagine some sort of conveyer is used for making such large panes. If so, that would be a reason why these panes are allowed to become longer on one axis. Having a furnace that is 40' wide isn't something I've yet read about.
What a joke. What about the waste involved? What about the environment, the energy and $6.7 M cost involved to make this replacement? Little wonder Apple's stockpile of money is returning such a low rate.
What is one of those 15 panels going to cost to replace if one of them is broken? Apple has stripped their London store because of the riots. Apple stores are broken into frequently in the US. Makes zero sense to me that such a small change is so important for someone's ego.
As a shareholder I would much rather see Apple spend that money on a plant to manufacture some of their products in the United States.
What a joke. What about the waste involved? What about the environment, the energy and $6.7 M cost involved to make this replacement? Little wonder Apple's stockpile of money is returning such a low rate.
What is one of those 15 panels going to cost to replace if one of them is broken? Apple has stripped their London store because of the riots. Apple stores are broken into frequently in the US. Makes zero sense to me that such a small change is so important for someone's ego.
As a shareholder I would much rather see Apple spend that money on a plant to manufacture some of their products in the United States.
Oh come on. If you truly are an Apple shareholder, you should know that aesthetic design has always been extremely high on the list of Apple's priorities. And your rant about the environment? And energy? Really? Apple, who of all the manufacturers is the most transparent and advanced with their environmental endeavors. This is also the same company that doesn't spend a single cent without weighing the positives and negatives of that expenditure, and I have very little to complain about with this move. It doesn't hurt anything, and for all you know, the old structure could have been on the verge of falling apart, and Apple was proactive about it and found a better way to build the structure. Stop trolling now, and please leave us alone.
Bad idea. When disadvantaged youths start looting in new York and break a few panels it would be more expansive to replace than a few small ones.
This isn't London, it's New York, and I doubt that we'll be hearing any stories about gangs of youth thugs running around the streets, rioting and looting by the Apple store on 5th Ave.
And, just for the sake of argument, if such a thing were to happen, then the NYPD would shoot the thugs dead in a New York Minute.
What a joke. What about the waste involved? What about the environment, the energy and $6.7 M cost involved to make this replacement? Little wonder Apple's stockpile of money is returning such a low rate.
What is one of those 15 panels going to cost to replace if one of them is broken? Apple has stripped their London store because of the riots. Apple stores are broken into frequently in the US. Makes zero sense to me that such a small change is so important for someone's ego.
As a shareholder I would much rather see Apple spend that money on a plant to manufacture some of their products in the United States.
What waste? Glass is 100% recyclable.
As far as jobs go, project like these prOvide jobs, tearing down,removal,new panels.
Look at the bigger picture, apple only gains.
As far as a efficiency goes, less is better in apple eyes, we already know that, the panels could be more energy efficient, and so on.
Is that really necessary? Seems like a lot of work and expense for very little change in appearance.
We don't know all the improvements and/or changes intended by this work, but Apple thinks it's necessary. If you've ever been inside the store during a rainstorm, you have probably wondered how Apple could fix the problem of all that water cascading on the stairs and dripping on the floor.
It's Steve's toy; plain and simple. He likes the shape and sees a way to improve on its looks and solve problems like watertightness. And realizing the impact, I'm sure he's had the planned improvements looked at from all possible angles to ensure that it's environmentally sound. We'll look at the end result and say that he should have done it sooner.
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Bah - they could do that today if they wanted. The Monterey Aquarium has a single-pane window 15 feet x 54 feet, and that's having to hold back 1,000,000 gallons of water.
I think you are probably right, but holding back water is not the same thing as holding up weight. For the first it just has to be firmly fixed at the edges and very inflexible, to use as a structural element it has to be able to take twisting strains applied to the edges.
I think you are right though, possibly it's just the aesthetics that leads them not to use that glass. It would be much thicker than the glass they are using for instance.
Bah - they could do that today if they wanted. The Monterey Aquarium has a single-pane window 15 feet x 54 feet, and that's having to hold back 1,000,000 gallons of water.
Aquariums' glass panels are designed to withstand pressure in specific ways, that are nothing like what goes into a building design. I'm not saying you're wrong and such glass panels are impossible to produce today, only that your comparison isn't adequate. The two uses of glass are very very different (and btw aquariums panels are not made of 'glass' usually).
Cube? You would think he would make the building lower.
WTF? Because a glass pizza box is more attractive?
I just hope they fix the top step of the staircase. Major crack. Guess somene dropped an iMac on it....
Or a hackintosh...
Just wondering why Steve would personally pay for this. it's not like Apple is short of cash, or anyone would disagree with him.
Clearly you haven't been paying attention.
Steve Jobs is obsessed with design. Obsessed.
Bah - they could do that today if they wanted. The Monterey Aquarium has a single-pane window 15 feet x 54 feet, and that's having to hold back 1,000,000 gallons of water.
Are you sure they aren't using polycarbonate? I imagine that's a lot thicker, whatever the material is.
Also note that the cube is a lot more than 15ft on a side. Write back when it's 40 ft x 40 ft, because it's not just about the stresses, it might be that such a big pane of glass might not be possible on machinery that's running right now.
Wasn't there some stipulation back when the original cube was built that Jobs could take the cube in his possession at some point, having paid for it? Can anyone verify this? I remember thinking "what the hell is he going to do with that thing?" but perhaps his home is being constructed and he wants a little piece of Apple Retail history. Would make a great greenhouse, endless pool room, workout space, sunroom (!) etc.
I bet he's keeping it for himself.
...Would make a great greenhouse, endless pool room, workout space, sunroom (!) etc.
I bet he's keeping it for himself.
Mausoleum...
Are you sure they aren't using polycarbonate? I imagine that's a lot thicker, whatever the material is.
Also note that the cube is a lot more than 15ft on a side. Write back when it's 40 ft x 40 ft, because it's not just about the stresses, it might be that such a big pane of glass might not be possible on machinery that's running right now.
I imagine some sort of conveyer is used for making such large panes. If so, that would be a reason why these panes are allowed to become longer on one axis. Having a furnace that is 40' wide isn't something I've yet read about.
What is one of those 15 panels going to cost to replace if one of them is broken? Apple has stripped their London store because of the riots. Apple stores are broken into frequently in the US. Makes zero sense to me that such a small change is so important for someone's ego.
As a shareholder I would much rather see Apple spend that money on a plant to manufacture some of their products in the United States.
What a joke. What about the waste involved? What about the environment, the energy and $6.7 M cost involved to make this replacement? Little wonder Apple's stockpile of money is returning such a low rate.
What is one of those 15 panels going to cost to replace if one of them is broken? Apple has stripped their London store because of the riots. Apple stores are broken into frequently in the US. Makes zero sense to me that such a small change is so important for someone's ego.
As a shareholder I would much rather see Apple spend that money on a plant to manufacture some of their products in the United States.
Oh come on. If you truly are an Apple shareholder, you should know that aesthetic design has always been extremely high on the list of Apple's priorities. And your rant about the environment? And energy? Really? Apple, who of all the manufacturers is the most transparent and advanced with their environmental endeavors. This is also the same company that doesn't spend a single cent without weighing the positives and negatives of that expenditure, and I have very little to complain about with this move. It doesn't hurt anything, and for all you know, the old structure could have been on the verge of falling apart, and Apple was proactive about it and found a better way to build the structure. Stop trolling now, and please leave us alone.
More efficient? BS.
Anyway, it's not my money, so I don't really care. As long as it creates jobs, it's good I suppose. Dumber things have been done.
Bs?
That's like saying replacing old single pane windows with double pane is less efficient...
Simple and straightforward renovation to update a icon. That's it.
Material tech is prob more advance as well.
Bad idea. When disadvantaged youths start looting in new York and break a few panels it would be more expansive to replace than a few small ones.
1) Since the current panes are load bearing breaking a pane in a typical window.
2) Regardless of what the material is destruction of property could still happen.
3) For all we know this new cub will be considerably more resilient than the current cube. new material, thicker glass, etc.
Bad idea. When disadvantaged youths start looting in new York and break a few panels it would be more expansive to replace than a few small ones.
This isn't London, it's New York, and I doubt that we'll be hearing any stories about gangs of youth thugs running around the streets, rioting and looting by the Apple store on 5th Ave.
And, just for the sake of argument, if such a thing were to happen, then the NYPD would shoot the thugs dead in a New York Minute.
What a joke. What about the waste involved? What about the environment, the energy and $6.7 M cost involved to make this replacement? Little wonder Apple's stockpile of money is returning such a low rate.
What is one of those 15 panels going to cost to replace if one of them is broken? Apple has stripped their London store because of the riots. Apple stores are broken into frequently in the US. Makes zero sense to me that such a small change is so important for someone's ego.
As a shareholder I would much rather see Apple spend that money on a plant to manufacture some of their products in the United States.
What waste? Glass is 100% recyclable.
As far as jobs go, project like these prOvide jobs, tearing down,removal,new panels.
Look at the bigger picture, apple only gains.
As far as a efficiency goes, less is better in apple eyes, we already know that, the panels could be more energy efficient, and so on.
Is that really necessary? Seems like a lot of work and expense for very little change in appearance.
We don't know all the improvements and/or changes intended by this work, but Apple thinks it's necessary. If you've ever been inside the store during a rainstorm, you have probably wondered how Apple could fix the problem of all that water cascading on the stairs and dripping on the floor.
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