Motorola purchase may bolster Google TV in bid to unseat Apple TV

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  • Reply 21 of 72
    msanttimsantti Posts: 1,377member
    Moto makes crappy set top boxes.
  • Reply 22 of 72
    msanttimsantti Posts: 1,377member
    I like my Apple TV but Apple TV is going to stay a hobby if Apple treats it like one.



    I feel like I am getting burnt again.



    I bought the original and saw a few updates with really nothing new.



    Same thing is happening with Apple TV 2.
  • Reply 23 of 72
    sipsip Posts: 210member
    Does  care? TV is still only a hobby until  makes an announcement that TV is now mainstream.
  • Reply 24 of 72
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by RolandG View Post


    Here's my spin on it: While it might be easy to get your content from an iPad onto your TV screen via an Apple TV, it's a real hassle to get content from your TV onto your mobile device. In Apple's ecosystem, one has to buy it through iTunes with no immediate connection to what one is watching.



    Maybe Google integrates the means to seamlessly transfer the program you are watching onto your Android devices right along with the ads to lure the cable/content companies into the deal. Maybe add a cloud service along the lines of Google Music...?



    Bingo!





    Quote:

    Motorola's "Video Solutions" line of products also offer sharing of content. One product under that umbrella, "Televation," allows users to rebroadcast live TV to other devices in their home.



    IMO, this is a very big deal!



    If the cable STB can rebroadcast, say, 5 concurrent channels -- then everyone in the extended home has a personal TV in his iPad -- along with all the other goodies.



    I don't know if Moogle will be strong enough to exclude * the iPad and other competitive devices.



    Moogle executives should take great care what they say in public -- or in private documents.
  • Reply 25 of 72
    I posted this to another thread... but it seems more appropriate here...



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by stelligent View Post


    But Google may have the same problems as Apple in pushing future versions of GoogleTV - cable companies and content owners are a difficult lot to negotiate with.



    In re Google (with MMI STBs in their back pocket) negotiating with the cable companies...



    I am reminded of the story of the woman in the dentist's chair -- As the dentist bends over her to drill, she grabs his testicles and says: Now, we're not going to hurt each other, are we?
  • Reply 26 of 72
    jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ahmlco View Post


    Motorola's set top box (STB) business will do nothing to stem Google's failure to launch Google TV, nor help against Apple TV.



    Why? People don't buy STBs, corporations do. Corporations like Cox Cable and Comcast, who have their own content to peddle, and above all they don't need Google coming in trying to skim money (and viewers) off the top with Google TV bundled into their private-label STBs.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by whatisgoingon View Post


    Um, GoogleTV and Motorola set-top boxes are so fundamentally different, it's not even funny. M-boxes are typically sold/rented by Cable companies to subscribers, to view/record cable subscriptions.



    GoogleTV devices are (or were?) sold directly to consumers, specifically to AVOID cable subscriptions. It enabled users to view TV and movie shows without paying [or perhaps paying netflix and the like for movies].



    I think you're all missing the point. Google isn't concerned about devices, Google is concerned about how much information from you than can gather. They really couldn't care less if it's a rented set-top box or a purchased set-top box.



    In all likelihood, I would guess that the end result will be convergence - one unit that will do what both Google and Motorola set-top boxes currently do - and siphon off even more data about the users.



    The more I think about it, the scarier this becomes- ESPECIALLY since the user does not normally get to choose their rented set-top box. The cable company gets a good deal on buying a million set-top boxes - and your private life belongs to Google.
  • Reply 27 of 72
    jetzjetz Posts: 1,293member
    This is a moronic viewpoint. Even for AI.



    First off, Apple TV (and I own one), is nothing all that great. It's a box that let's you play your iTunes content and Netflix. I turn it on once a week, maybe. I watch TV far more often. And I watch DVR'ed content far more often.



    Google TV was a far more ambitious project. And one that is sorely needed. Anything is better than the useless cableco STBs you get today (particularly the archaic ones we get up here in Canada).



    Google TV didn't just fail because of a lack of content deals. It failed because of a fundamental flaw in the concept: people don't want yet another box in the house. However, if Google TV were to be offered by the cableco, you can bet there's lots of people who would embrace it. After all, if the option at your cable store is between a plain old box and a Google TV DVR, what would you pick?



    The problem for Google is getting cablecos to embrace Google TV. And Google may yet be able to do it. Indeed, the fact that they don't have content deals might turn out to be a blessing in disguise. They can offer to help make cableco content more visible through search. They get the data they want, the cablecos get visibility for their content.



    It's a risky play. But Google will now have a shot at negotiating directly working with cablecos. It's a once-in-a-lifetime shot, just as all the cablecos are transitioning to IPTV. Google will have to come up with a pitch where the cablecos benefit too. If they can do it, expect to see Google TV STBs and DVRs becoming quite normal in living rooms worldwide.
  • Reply 28 of 72
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sip View Post


    Does  care? TV is still only a hobby until  makes an announcement that TV is now mainstream.



  • Reply 29 of 72
    Google tv failed, IMHO, b/c people thought they could get any da** tv show anytime they wanted. That of course, continuing with my theory, would totally sc**w the hell out of the business model set up between the advertisers and the networks.

    Look, tv "IS" advertising incarnate. The networks don't need Google in the middle fu***** with their tried and true business model.
  • Reply 30 of 72
    alfiejralfiejr Posts: 1,524member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post


    Bingo!



    IMO, this is a very big deal!



    If the cable STB can rebroadcast, say, 5 concurrent channels -- then everyone in the extended home has a personal TV in his iPad -- along with all the other goodies.



    I don't know if Moogle will be strong enough to exclude * the iPad and other competitive devices.



    Moogle executives should take great what they say in public -- or in private documents.



    Dick, congrats on #4000, but this post not a winner.



    no way the cablecos are going to let Google package their content ever, in any way, period. any further extension of cableco services to other digital devices, mobile, cloud, whatever, they will totally control and, of course, monetize 100% for themselves. that's already starting, slowly, with apps like Xfinity. as others have written, the cablecos will offer their app content "free" in order to shore up their overpriced cable subscription rates (except PPV of course). at least for a while, as long as they can hold out from an a la carte pricing system instead.



    and very good alternatives like Slingbox already exist. $300 just once for the hardware/app, plug into your CATV STB or DVR output, no subscription, then watch on any computer or mobile device, watch anything anywhere. we use it a lot. works great on iPad and can hook it up to any TV via HDMI (or via Apple TV with iOS 5). even works with 3G when out and about. or i could watch my home TV right now on my office workstation (but that would be bad!).
  • Reply 31 of 72
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by maccherry View Post


    Google tv failed, IMHO, b/c people thought they could get any da** tv show anytime they wanted. That of course, continuing with my theory, would totally sc**w the hell out of the business model set up between the advertisers and the networks.

    Look, tv "IS" advertising incarnate. The networks don't need Google in the middle fu***** with their tried and true business model.



    So you self-censor screw but not Hell? What the heck?



    The forum doesn't automatically stop people from swearing, but if you plan to win arguments or have a respected opinion, it's not suggested.
  • Reply 32 of 72
    alfiejralfiejr Posts: 1,524member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Jetz View Post


    First off, Apple TV (and I own one), is nothing all that great. It's a box that let's you play your iTunes content and Netflix.



    you must not have any iThings. AirPlay works great. and iPad Screen Mirroring in iOS 5 will be a killer feature.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Jetz View Post


    The problem for Google is getting cablecos to embrace Google TV.



    that ain't a problem, that's an impossibility. the cablecos want a direct sales connection to all their customers to squeeze every penny out of the relationship. they never want to go through any middleman. especially the world's biggest content vampire, Google.
  • Reply 33 of 72
    Simple question for clarification: Why are motorola's set top boxes part of their mobility line? Shouldn't they be part of standard motorola, the part google isn't trying to buy?
  • Reply 34 of 72
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,209member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bigdaddyguido View Post


    Simple question for clarification: Why are motorola's set top boxes part of their mobility line? Shouldn't they be part of standard motorola, the part google isn't trying to buy?



    That's just the way Moto spun off the two companies.
  • Reply 35 of 72
    ahmlcoahmlco Posts: 432member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jragosta View Post


    I think you're all missing the point. Google isn't concerned about devices, Google is concerned about how much information from you than can gather.



    That may be the case, but they still need to get the cableco's to sign up for the deal.



    Besides, the article was about how the Motorola STB business impacts Google TV...



    That is to say, not at all.
  • Reply 36 of 72
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post


    That's just the way Moto spun off the two companies.



    Fair enough. Seems so counter-intuitive but I guess it doesn't matter.



    Also, mad props to the hipster apple tv, made me laugh.



    I recently helps a friend setup the apple tv, it's way more awesome than I anticipated. AirPlay is awesome, especially using airflick. I don't see this helping the google tv at all, unless google completely changes direction. No matter what, the masses don't want to search the net on their tv, the Internet is personal, that's why we use it with laptops, tablets and phones.
  • Reply 37 of 72
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Alfiejr View Post


    Dick, congrats on #4000, but this post not a winner.



    no way the cablecos are going to let Google package their content ever, in any way, period. any further extension of cableco services to other digital devices, mobile, cloud, whatever, they will totally control and, of course, monetize 100% for themselves. that's already starting, slowly, with apps like Xfinity. as others have written, the cablecos will offer their app content "free" in order to shore up their overpriced cable subscription rates (except PPV of course). at least for a while, as long as they can hold out from an a la carte pricing system instead.



    and very good alternatives like Slingbox already exist. $300 just once for the hardware/app, plug into your CATV STB or DVR output, no subscription, then watch on any computer or mobile device, watch anything anywhere. we use it a lot. works great on iPad and can hook it up to any TV via HDMI (or via Apple TV with iOS 5). even works with 3G when out and about. or i could watch my home TV right now on my office workstation (but that would be bad!).



    I wasn't clear! I do not believe that the cablecos will allow Moogle to mess with or repackage their content -- anymore than they let MMI do it.



    What I was trying to say, is that the hardware may already exist that would allow a single MMI STB to deliver multiple, concurrent TV channels to WiFi devices.



    We have uverse and we have no such capability.



    I read somewhere that ComCast allows streaming TV (Live, Movie, recorded) from their STB to an iPad app.



    To me, it just isn't worth the pain to back to ComCast -- and I am hoping that ATT will eventually offer a similar service.



    As I see it, the key to all this is the Personal TV -- where each family member anywhere around the house/garage/basement/yard can be watching whatever TV show he wants to watch on his iPad -- regardless of what the others are watching. This is in addition to any who choose to communally gather around a single TV to watch, a movie or soccer match.



    We have an iPad for each family member -- 2 adults and 3 kids (11, 12, 16). They usually are doing their own thing -- NetFlix, some YT, StreamToMe from any of our Macs... Everything but Cable TV (Live or otherwise).





    I didn't go into detail, but if Moogle promotes this (I think they should) to deliver Personal TV to Android Tablets... I don't believe that the cablecos would allow Moogle to restrict it to Android tablets only -- especially when they are grossly outnumbered by iPads.



    Then, the user could choose content from the CableCo via the Moogle STB or the AppleTV connected to:



    1) Alternate live or recorded TV sources

    2) Personal Home media library



    The irony is that the Moogle STB could unlock the "go to market" solution for ATV.





    And, If they don't... guess who could?



    Convoluted, huh? Just like the cable TV system.





    Just think:



    -- Sis in her room watching a Friends rerun

    -- Older Bro, wherever, watching a Transformers movie

    -- Younger Bro on the patio watching Sponge Bob

    -- Mom in the kitchen watching Oprah and switching to Two Fat Ladies

    -- Dad in the shop, watching New Yankee Workshop

    -- Grandpa on the throne watching Fox News
  • Reply 38 of 72
    c4rlobc4rlob Posts: 277member
    I so wish they traded stocks for the failure of a venture ?*I would buy that stock against Google TV + Motorola in a heartbeat!
  • Reply 39 of 72
    jetzjetz Posts: 1,293member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Alfiejr View Post


    you must not have any iThings. AirPlay works great. and iPad Screen Mirroring in iOS 5 will be a killer feature.



    You're right. I don't own any iDevices (old iPod nano aside). So it's Mac and Apple TV for me.



    However, even if I had an iPhone/iTouch/iPad and was using AirPlay, do you really think this is going to displace the current cableco Motorola/Scientific Atlanta cable box?



    This is AI, so everything has to be spun as an attack on Apple. But Google is aiming to displace that cable box. They don't give a hoot about Apple TV. Nor should they. As long as Apple TV has no facility to handle live TV, it will never displace the humble STB.





    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Alfiejr View Post


    that ain't a problem, that's an impossibility. the cablecos want a direct sales connection to all their customers to squeeze every penny out of the relationship. they never want to go through any middleman. especially the world's biggest content vampire, Google.



    Anybody will make a deal for the right price. The billion dollar question is whether Google can afford what the cablecos want. Do you really think they fear Google more than say Netflix (which now has more subs than Comcast in the USA)? Indeed, making content searchable and accessible and making PPV content more easy to find for example, better data on what viewers are searching for, etc. are all ideas that are in the best interests of the cablecos and could help them compete with the likes of Netflix or Amazon Prime.



    If Google can come up with a worthwhile deal for them, they'll take it. The question is whether Google can come up with a worthwhile deal for them.



    Also, while it's easy to conflate them, the cablecos and the cable networks don't necessarily have interests that line up. The networks are content creators who probably see Google as more of a long-term threat. Though, I'd be cautious about taking their side. They remind me of the music industry in the 90s, arguing against iTunes and the iPod. The cablecos on the other hand also have to worry about many alternative avenues of content delivery that could pop up. Google could be a threat for them. But it could also present a fantastic opportunity to reinvent themselves as content distributors.
  • Reply 40 of 72
    jetzjetz Posts: 1,293member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by c4rlob View Post


    I so wish they traded stocks for the failure of a venture ?*I would buy that stock against Google TV + Motorola in a heartbeat!



    It's called shorting a stock. You can make such trades.
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