Well, I don't know who's idea was first but Apple came out with it first. Windows 8 has been in development for the past 2 years(around July 2009) so Microsoft has had the App Store idea from then.(They plan these things. Hence the 'planning stage')
In an ideal world, software is planned, designed and implemented in that order.
According to my personal history of how Microsoft's products look, feel and perform, I'm more than sure that enough stuff gets added, scrapped and changed along the way so as to ensure that whatever they end up shipping is a total mess.
They never said that it was innovative, AppleInsider is just reporting that they like Apple did will be having a curated central store for downloading applications. Why all the hate? What did Microsoft do to you?
If one were to take the "What did Microsoft do to you?" part as a generic question to all those people who have suffered the crap Microsoft has foisted on the World for decades it would take a long time to answer that question.
This is the competition's biggest problem. Apple is not simply First Mover in many cases, but Ultimate Mover.
Combining Apple's philosophy about how human beings should interact with tech - as in, tech as an extension of the user and not the user as an extension of tech - creates a dangerous situation for the competition, and these days, given how Apple has refined their game, this situation is often the beginning of the end for Apple's rivals.
A lot of stuff that doesn't have an Apple logo on it is killed in the womb. Already DOA on the rollout.
If you listen to rumors Windows 8 will have Smartscreen filter baked in.
Along with Security Essentials this won't just kill off the actual viruses, but the socially engineered malware crap as well (which is a far bigger issue than viruses IMO).
Watch for the Anti-virus companies to absolutely crack it and start screaming "anti-trust" when Windows 8 hits.
I'm missing something I'm sure but how do these percentages add up to 100?
Press Ctrl + Alt + Delete to log on? Are you kidding me?
Why make it so simple for the user? Why not Shift + T + Right Arrow + 7 + Make a noise like a cat + Cross your eyes?
Just ridiculous.
I'm trying to be nice today
I suggest that if you don't understand something then perhaps instead of running your mouth off you just simply ask the question. Chances are there will be someone here (like me!) who actually knows the answer.
It would be more like a normal conversation then, don't you think?
The answer to your question is that only the Windows login process is notified of the CTRL+ALT+DEL key press. No 3rd party application (or malware) can override it. That means the user is guaranteed they are entering their password into a secure dialog.
It has also been suggested that Microsoft will replace its Windows Phone 7 mobile OS with Windows 8 as part of its mission to bring Windows "everywhere on every device without compromise."
I think that is kind of nuts. One of the biggest problems with the old Windows CE was that it tried to emulate the real Windows, which did nothing to enhance the experience on a smartphone. I had an old WinPhone. I tried to like it. I tried to master it. After 60 days, I bought a Palm Treo on eBay and put the WINCE in a desk drawer.
They never said that it was innovative, AppleInsider is just reporting that they like Apple did will be having a curated central store for downloading applications. Why all the hate? What did Microsoft do to you?
They beat his hometown team in the Word Series. It's a Yankees/Red Sox kinda thing for geeks, with overtones of "only believers in my religion will enter the kingdom of Heaven, and the infidels will be damned to eternal torment".
A bit off topic but reminiscing the past also reminds me of my Sony CLIE PDA and this PDF reader app I bought had inertia scrolling (2002)
I had a CLIE too. I loved the hardware, but I soon learned to hate the company. I wrote a letter to Stringer telling him of my poor customer service, expecting to get a form letter in reply. I didn't even get that.
After that, I have bought many, many CE products (TV sets, PDAs, DVD players, computers, etc.), and not a single one of them was a Sony. Never again. F*ck Sony!
The answer to your question is that only the Windows login process is notified of the CTRL+ALT+DEL key press. No 3rd party application (or malware) can override it. That means the user is guaranteed they are entering their password into a secure dialog.
I don't think he's questioning the mechanic behind having such a secure keypress, merely that the keypress itself is so arbitrary and unintuitive. Why not, say, use the big Windows key that's on every PC keyboard (whether they come with Windows or not, but that's a whole different discussion).
I think that is kind of nuts. One of the biggest problems with the old Windows CE was that it tried to emulate the real Windows, which did nothing to enhance the experience on a smartphone.
I don't think Microsoft will try to force a desktop interface into Windows Phone.
The re-factorization and modularization of Windows has been an ongoing project for almost a decade with the end goal being core set of common components that can be used across all form factors.
The phone would almost certainly contain a customized UI tailored to the form factor.
The benefit of having the same core components (apart from maintenance and security) is that it opens up options for creating things like phones that look like a phone normally but switch to traditional Windows when docked with a full sized monitor.
Options like this are most interesting when applied to developing countries.
I don't get it. People are complaining about this "App Store". The way I see it, if Microsoft can get a review team as strict as Apple's, (testing apps, security, etc) then by all means, BRING ON THE WINDOWS MARKETPLACE! I am getting sick and tired of worrying about the "what if" if I download a program onto Windows.
Just right click on the executable and scan it with your security software before running it. No worries. It is a good habit to get into. Besides, viruses and trojans are rare-to-nonexistent when downloading from places like CNET and other major shareware sites.
Look at the links provided, they are over a year old, they show internal slides from Microsoft. There are or has been many references to a new package/file types in the last year for a class of apps that will use this/come from the app store.
Microsoft as o late, is nearly always a step behind Apple. Apple gets this stuff into shipping versions followed by Microsoft some time later. Then when Microsoft does finally ship, it magically is pretty much a mirror of what Apple did two years earlier. The brick and mortar stores are a perfect example. Not only did they follow Apple, they copied them right down to the Genius Bar, the furniture and look and feel of the store.
I'm not saying Apple is first at everything, because clearly they're not. There have been other corporate store before. Other mobile phones and other tablets. That said the whole industry watches Apple very closely. They see how Apple implements things, then copies. Apple develops the iPod, how many iPod copies followed? Apple develops the iPhone, now how many iPhone copies are there? Apple develops the iPad, now how many iPad copies are there? It's pretty obvious really.
I'm also not saying Microsoft cannot innovate. They went their own way with the Zune and Windows Phone 7, and have done a pretty good job. They have done some other nice stuff in the past too. Microsoft needs to find it's way again and start leading... at least some of the time.
I don't think he's questioning the mechanic behind having such a secure keypress, merely that the keypress itself is so arbitrary and unintuitive. Why not, say, use the big Windows key that's on every PC keyboard (whether they come with Windows or not, but that's a whole different discussion).
Far from being arbitrary those keys were intentionally selected to prevent a user from accidentally hitting them (like a single key would be).
The Windows key could already be captured by third party applications, so making it the secure attention key would have broken backward compatibility with some applications.
A better solution would be to simply throw the "CTRL+ALT+DEL to logon" in the rubbish, which is what they did for consumers.
Microsoft on Wednesday revealed that it will follow in Apple's footsteps by building an "App Store" for the next generation of its flagship OS, codenamed Windows 8.
I don't think Microsoft will try to force a desktop interface into Windows Phone.
The re-factorization and modularization of Windows has been an ongoing project for almost a decade with the end goal being core set of common components that can be used across all form factors.
The phone would almost certainly contain a customized UI tailored to the form factor.
The benefit of having the same core components (apart from maintenance and security) is that it opens up options for creating things like phones that look like a phone normally but switch to traditional Windows when docked with a full sized monitor.
Options like this are most interesting when applied to developing countries.
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I think that is kind of nuts. One of the biggest problems with the old Windows CE was that it tried to emulate the real Windows, which did nothing to enhance the experience on a smartphone. I had an old WinPhone. I tried to like it. I tried to master it. After 60 days, I bought a Palm Treo on eBay and put the WINCE in a desk drawer.
Microsoft has publicly discussed this, and they have brought up a very interesting point: Our mobile devices are getting faster and faster, and many devices run 1 GHz + processors. By the time that "Windows Phone 8" ships they will probably be in the 1.5 Ghz range. With MinWin and the continuing modularization of Windows, it is not too farfetched to think that "Desktop Windows" will run on these devices in some form, with an interface that is more suited to the device of course.
I am pretty excited to see what they have up their sleeve. I have seen the Dell Inspiron Duo very cheap, and I am tempted to buy it just to put the public beta of Windows 8 on.
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Who would have seen that coming!?
Well, I don't know who's idea was first but Apple came out with it first. Windows 8 has been in development for the past 2 years(around July 2009) so Microsoft has had the App Store idea from then.(They plan these things. Hence the 'planning stage')
In an ideal world, software is planned, designed and implemented in that order.
According to my personal history of how Microsoft's products look, feel and perform, I'm more than sure that enough stuff gets added, scrapped and changed along the way so as to ensure that whatever they end up shipping is a total mess.
Ooops, sorry for the double post.
They never said that it was innovative, AppleInsider is just reporting that they like Apple did will be having a curated central store for downloading applications. Why all the hate? What did Microsoft do to you?
If one were to take the "What did Microsoft do to you?" part as a generic question to all those people who have suffered the crap Microsoft has foisted on the World for decades it would take a long time to answer that question.
Yes Apple got it out first,.
And got it out right.
This is the competition's biggest problem. Apple is not simply First Mover in many cases, but Ultimate Mover.
Combining Apple's philosophy about how human beings should interact with tech - as in, tech as an extension of the user and not the user as an extension of tech - creates a dangerous situation for the competition, and these days, given how Apple has refined their game, this situation is often the beginning of the end for Apple's rivals.
A lot of stuff that doesn't have an Apple logo on it is killed in the womb. Already DOA on the rollout.
MS is no exception to this reality.
If you listen to rumors Windows 8 will have Smartscreen filter baked in.
Along with Security Essentials this won't just kill off the actual viruses, but the socially engineered malware crap as well (which is a far bigger issue than viruses IMO).
Watch for the Anti-virus companies to absolutely crack it and start screaming "anti-trust" when Windows 8 hits.
I'm missing something I'm sure but how do these percentages add up to 100?
I'm missing something I'm sure but how do these percentages add up to 100?
Um yeah you are missing something. Probably a lot of something.
Press Ctrl + Alt + Delete to log on? Are you kidding me?
Why make it so simple for the user? Why not Shift + T + Right Arrow + 7 + Make a noise like a cat + Cross your eyes?
Just ridiculous.
I'm trying to be nice today
I suggest that if you don't understand something then perhaps instead of running your mouth off you just simply ask the question. Chances are there will be someone here (like me!) who actually knows the answer.
It would be more like a normal conversation then, don't you think?
The answer to your question is that only the Windows login process is notified of the CTRL+ALT+DEL key press. No 3rd party application (or malware) can override it. That means the user is guaranteed they are entering their password into a secure dialog.
More info here.
The CTRL+ALT+DEL login screen is normally only enabled once Windows is added to a domain (i.e. It's a part of a business network).
Home users just select their logon picture and enter a password.
A leaked screen from Windows 8 showed the password dialog being replaced by an Android-like pattern logon screen.
EDIT:
Pattern logon process can be seen here (a little NSFW half way through)
It has also been suggested that Microsoft will replace its Windows Phone 7 mobile OS with Windows 8 as part of its mission to bring Windows "everywhere on every device without compromise."
I think that is kind of nuts. One of the biggest problems with the old Windows CE was that it tried to emulate the real Windows, which did nothing to enhance the experience on a smartphone. I had an old WinPhone. I tried to like it. I tried to master it. After 60 days, I bought a Palm Treo on eBay and put the WINCE in a desk drawer.
They never said that it was innovative, AppleInsider is just reporting that they like Apple did will be having a curated central store for downloading applications. Why all the hate? What did Microsoft do to you?
They beat his hometown team in the Word Series. It's a Yankees/Red Sox kinda thing for geeks, with overtones of "only believers in my religion will enter the kingdom of Heaven, and the infidels will be damned to eternal torment".
A bit off topic but reminiscing the past also reminds me of my Sony CLIE PDA and this PDF reader app I bought had inertia scrolling (2002)
I had a CLIE too. I loved the hardware, but I soon learned to hate the company. I wrote a letter to Stringer telling him of my poor customer service, expecting to get a form letter in reply. I didn't even get that.
After that, I have bought many, many CE products (TV sets, PDAs, DVD players, computers, etc.), and not a single one of them was a Sony. Never again. F*ck Sony!
The answer to your question is that only the Windows login process is notified of the CTRL+ALT+DEL key press. No 3rd party application (or malware) can override it. That means the user is guaranteed they are entering their password into a secure dialog.
I don't think he's questioning the mechanic behind having such a secure keypress, merely that the keypress itself is so arbitrary and unintuitive. Why not, say, use the big Windows key that's on every PC keyboard (whether they come with Windows or not, but that's a whole different discussion).
I think that is kind of nuts. One of the biggest problems with the old Windows CE was that it tried to emulate the real Windows, which did nothing to enhance the experience on a smartphone.
I don't think Microsoft will try to force a desktop interface into Windows Phone.
The re-factorization and modularization of Windows has been an ongoing project for almost a decade with the end goal being core set of common components that can be used across all form factors.
The phone would almost certainly contain a customized UI tailored to the form factor.
The benefit of having the same core components (apart from maintenance and security) is that it opens up options for creating things like phones that look like a phone normally but switch to traditional Windows when docked with a full sized monitor.
Options like this are most interesting when applied to developing countries.
I don't get it. People are complaining about this "App Store". The way I see it, if Microsoft can get a review team as strict as Apple's, (testing apps, security, etc) then by all means, BRING ON THE WINDOWS MARKETPLACE! I am getting sick and tired of worrying about the "what if" if I download a program onto Windows.
Just right click on the executable and scan it with your security software before running it. No worries. It is a good habit to get into. Besides, viruses and trojans are rare-to-nonexistent when downloading from places like CNET and other major shareware sites.
Having an integrated digital marketplace? Good idea.
Giving it the exact same name as a competitor? Bad idea.
They named their operating system after a GUI component.
Naming is not their forte.
Look at the links provided, they are over a year old, they show internal slides from Microsoft. There are or has been many references to a new package/file types in the last year for a class of apps that will use this/come from the app store.
Pull your head out of the Apple cloud.
All this is from Apple or Microsoft is digital distribution coming of age. Microsoft already has an app store online. http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/...isplayHomePage its probably 5 year old. With Windows 7 you could buy it online and download/isntall to your PC...oh year before Lion. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/buy...e-premium.aspx
Microsoft as o late, is nearly always a step behind Apple. Apple gets this stuff into shipping versions followed by Microsoft some time later. Then when Microsoft does finally ship, it magically is pretty much a mirror of what Apple did two years earlier. The brick and mortar stores are a perfect example. Not only did they follow Apple, they copied them right down to the Genius Bar, the furniture and look and feel of the store.
I'm not saying Apple is first at everything, because clearly they're not. There have been other corporate store before. Other mobile phones and other tablets. That said the whole industry watches Apple very closely. They see how Apple implements things, then copies. Apple develops the iPod, how many iPod copies followed? Apple develops the iPhone, now how many iPhone copies are there? Apple develops the iPad, now how many iPad copies are there? It's pretty obvious really.
I'm also not saying Microsoft cannot innovate. They went their own way with the Zune and Windows Phone 7, and have done a pretty good job. They have done some other nice stuff in the past too. Microsoft needs to find it's way again and start leading... at least some of the time.
I don't think he's questioning the mechanic behind having such a secure keypress, merely that the keypress itself is so arbitrary and unintuitive. Why not, say, use the big Windows key that's on every PC keyboard (whether they come with Windows or not, but that's a whole different discussion).
Far from being arbitrary those keys were intentionally selected to prevent a user from accidentally hitting them (like a single key would be).
The Windows key could already be captured by third party applications, so making it the secure attention key would have broken backward compatibility with some applications.
A better solution would be to simply throw the "CTRL+ALT+DEL to logon" in the rubbish, which is what they did for consumers.
I'm missing something I'm sure but how do these percentages add up to 100?
Each browser is showing the percentage of blocked sites over time. The full report is here.
Microsoft on Wednesday revealed that it will follow in Apple's footsteps by building an "App Store" for the next generation of its flagship OS, codenamed Windows 8.
[ View this article at AppleInsider.com ]
Call me dyslexic, but I misread codenamed as "condemned".
I don't think Microsoft will try to force a desktop interface into Windows Phone.
The re-factorization and modularization of Windows has been an ongoing project for almost a decade with the end goal being core set of common components that can be used across all form factors.
The phone would almost certainly contain a customized UI tailored to the form factor.
The benefit of having the same core components (apart from maintenance and security) is that it opens up options for creating things like phones that look like a phone normally but switch to traditional Windows when docked with a full sized monitor.
Options like this are most interesting when applied to developing countries.
I think that is kind of nuts. One of the biggest problems with the old Windows CE was that it tried to emulate the real Windows, which did nothing to enhance the experience on a smartphone. I had an old WinPhone. I tried to like it. I tried to master it. After 60 days, I bought a Palm Treo on eBay and put the WINCE in a desk drawer.
Microsoft has publicly discussed this, and they have brought up a very interesting point: Our mobile devices are getting faster and faster, and many devices run 1 GHz + processors. By the time that "Windows Phone 8" ships they will probably be in the 1.5 Ghz range. With MinWin and the continuing modularization of Windows, it is not too farfetched to think that "Desktop Windows" will run on these devices in some form, with an interface that is more suited to the device of course.
I am pretty excited to see what they have up their sleeve. I have seen the Dell Inspiron Duo very cheap, and I am tempted to buy it just to put the public beta of Windows 8 on.