Because it isn't a 'channel changer'. It's actual channels. The content is streamed to the Apple TV.
Have Apple make deals with the channels (heck, I'd prefer SHOWS) themselves. Screw the cable companies. Screw all of them. They're not giving anything away because it wouldn't be their call; Apple would be ignoring them entirely.
For example, Apple goes to the Discovery Channel people and say, "Hey, we want to make all of your shows available on demand to people who buy them individually on their Apple TVs." They pay monthly for the Mythbusters Channel and they get to watch the back catalog of Mythbusters episodes. Any episode, any time they want. They want to buy the How It's Made channel too? They can. Or they can buy all the Discovery Channel shows at once."
Then they do the same with all the other channels.
I would bet the channels already have agreements in place with cable companies which would prevent something like this
It is a shame that Apple doesn't see potential in Apple TV beyond well being Apple TV. The device is almost perfect for several uses around the home, one of those would be as a small server. ....
I don't agree about the server, but while we are talking about the failures of AppleTV, I heard about a doozy last week.
AirPlay using AppleTV is a fantastic thing and in an Educational setting would allow for that long-dreamed of wireless classroom becoming a reality. Students could stream their stuff to the screen, as could the teacher and all kinds of things that used to involve clunky projectors, laptops and so on would be magically transformed. Most importantly, instead of having one spot where everyone has to drag their device and plug in so as to tech from a podium, the classroom would become a democratic environment again.
Problem is ... AirPlay only works if everyone is on the same wireless network and that requires completely open, unsecure networks. The kind you will never find in any decent school, university or college. One also has to lock down all of the retail elements of the device and the UI as well.
AppleTV is basically only useful for consumers who use it in their own home. Any kind of education, institutional, or corporate uses are just impossible at this point.
Problem is ... AirPlay only works if everyone is on the same wireless network and that requires completely open, unsecure networks. The kind you will never find in any decent school, university or college. One also has to lock down all of the retail elements of the device and the UI as well.
Not if they move to an ad-hoc network setup. This bypasses routers completely and would only be useful for WiFi or BT devices within the immediate vaccinity.
With, say, a professor sending out a request for a student to control the AppleTV that sees devices in its range and even displaying on-screen a 6-digit pin to pair devices would offer a certain level of security.
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Where would an app be stored on an ATV? Or am I misunderstanding you?
The current AppleTV comes with 8GB of flash storage.
Which leads me to wonder if iWork is loosing mind share at Apple. Especially in light of the lack of iWork for the Mac not raising its ugly head. I have this feeling the next iWork for the Mac will be iWork 2012.
I am downloading them now. I expect the iOS apps to get feature parity with the OS X apps and better AirPlay mirroring.
Funny, someone was badmouthing iWork over at asymco -- I posted the following:
I agree wholeheartedly with @EWPellegrino -- iWork is a creditable offering for the price. Here are some advantages:
-- Keynote is superior to PowerPoint
-- Pages, though known as a WP program is an excellent graphics program
---- Pages can be used to create collages -- faster, easier and more flexible than programs costings $ Hundreds
---- Pages uses shapes, masking, Bezier curves, and stacking of objects approximating layers
-- The iOS versions of the apps have most of the features of the OS X versions and can share files
-- All the iWork apps are robust enough to satisfy most users' needs
-- Keynote on an iDevice can be used to stream presos to an HDTV via AppleTV
iWork is the most comprehensive office suite available across the desktop, smartphone and tablet devices.
I would bet the channels already have agreements in place with cable companies which would prevent something like this
Why? Nothing like that has ever existed before and no one (to my knowledge) has ever suggested it but myself. And I certainly don't work for a cable company.
Not if they move to an ad-hoc network setup. This bypasses routers completely and would only be useful for WiFi or BT devices within the immediate vaccinity.
With, say, a professor sending out a request for a student to control the AppleTV that sees devices in its range and even displaying on-screen a 6-digit pin to pair devices would offer a certain level of security.
The current AppleTV comes with 8GB of flash storage.
Funny... what you described is almost exactly how we used an network of 7 Apple ][s and a 5MB Corvus HD in a classroom at Saratoga HS, Saratoga, CA... in 1980.
Of course there were wires, instead of wireless, and a large BW monitor instead of an HDTV, at the front of the classroom.
But, the instructor on one Apple ][ could give control to a student's machine, who then in turn controlled the BW monitor from his Apple ][.
'Course it didn't take long for the students to make the system sing in ways that the instructor (nor I) knew were possible,
Why? Nothing like that has ever existed before and no one (to my knowledge) has ever suggested it but myself. And I certainly don't work for a cable company.
Someone on another AI thread, a few days ago, responded to my wish list to stream different TV channels (live or other content) from an AppleTV or the cableco's STB to multiple iPads concurrently.
He said he had TimeWarner cable and he could get about 50 channels now, but they were adding new ones all the time.
We have u-verse which uses MS Plays-For-Crap... so I guess we won't be getting it from the cableco.
I'll see if I can find the post and link to it later.
I would bet the channels already have agreements in place with cable companies which would prevent something like this
Indeed. Exclusive content. One would expect to pay more for exclusive conent. IOW, if a cable company wants that key to the castle, they need to pay more to the "Channel." And of course, if there was no other outlet, the Channel might not have cared to charge more, as it was moot. Ain't moot anymore. After that, it is simple economics.
Anyone notice that they changed the tweet sound built-in? Now it's some stupid bird chip. The previous one was much better and I used it for my new emails.
Not if they move to an ad-hoc network setup. This bypasses routers completely and would only be useful for WiFi or BT devices within the immediate vaccinity.
With, say, a professor sending out a request for a student to control the AppleTV that sees devices in its range and even displaying on-screen a 6-digit pin to pair devices would offer a certain level of security. ...
Yes, but the security is not usually for the users but for the University. Most decent colleges and Universities don't allow any wireless networks to operate on campus other than the approved ones.
If I read your suggestion correctly, you are suggesting the professor set up his/her own wireless network in the class which would be strictly verboten.
If I read your suggestion correctly, you are suggesting the professor set up his/her own wireless network in the class which would be strictly verboten.
Not at all. I'm suggesting corporate conference rooms, class rooms, and living rooms allow AirPlay to have the option to work similar to AirDrop insofar that it creates a direct connection between two devices without the use of an intermediarry LAN node such as a router.
I don't agree about the server, but while we are talking about the failures of AppleTV, I heard about a doozy last week.
AirPlay using AppleTV is a fantastic thing and in an Educational setting would allow for that long-dreamed of wireless classroom becoming a reality. Students could stream their stuff to the screen, as could the teacher and all kinds of things that used to involve clunky projectors, laptops and so on would be magically transformed. Most importantly, instead of having one spot where everyone has to drag their device and plug in so as to tech from a podium, the classroom would become a democratic environment again.
Problem is ... AirPlay only works if everyone is on the same wireless network and that requires completely open, unsecure networks. The kind you will never find in any decent school, university or college. One also has to lock down all of the retail elements of the device and the UI as well.
AppleTV is basically only useful for consumers who use it in their own home. Any kind of education, institutional, or corporate uses are just impossible at this point.
You could solve the network issue with a configuration profile and third party software from good or mobile iron. It won't be cheap but it can be addressed
Is anyone else's "Define" feature not working? Mine has actually been disabled since beta 5 and I want to know if anyone else had the same issue. I am speaking of the iOS-wide function where you select a word and define it?mine simply doesn't have the option anymore.
Is anyone else's "Define" feature not working? Mine has actually been disabled since beta 5 and I want to know if anyone else had the same issue. I am speaking of the iOS-wide function where you select a word and define it?mine simply doesn't have the option anymore.
Mine is there but I have to schroll right on the balloon, after replace. It has to be a dictionary word though.
If you are talking about the Beta I suggest you discuss this at the devforums site. It's a violation of your developer agreement to discuss beta details publicly. Its also useful to file bug reports if you find issues.
Why? Nothing like that has ever existed before and no one (to my knowledge) has ever suggested it but myself. And I certainly don't work for a cable company.
Not sure if this will happen with apple tv but streaming and paying for channels a-la-carte would be great! My cable bills are through the roof and we only watch 5% of the channels on the line-up if that.
OTOH If and when that happens the cable companies will probably introduce tiered data plans and it will be a wash.
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Because it isn't a 'channel changer'. It's actual channels. The content is streamed to the Apple TV.
Have Apple make deals with the channels (heck, I'd prefer SHOWS) themselves. Screw the cable companies. Screw all of them. They're not giving anything away because it wouldn't be their call; Apple would be ignoring them entirely.
For example, Apple goes to the Discovery Channel people and say, "Hey, we want to make all of your shows available on demand to people who buy them individually on their Apple TVs." They pay monthly for the Mythbusters Channel and they get to watch the back catalog of Mythbusters episodes. Any episode, any time they want. They want to buy the How It's Made channel too? They can. Or they can buy all the Discovery Channel shows at once."
Then they do the same with all the other channels.
I would bet the channels already have agreements in place with cable companies which would prevent something like this
It is a shame that Apple doesn't see potential in Apple TV beyond well being Apple TV. The device is almost perfect for several uses around the home, one of those would be as a small server. ....
I don't agree about the server, but while we are talking about the failures of AppleTV, I heard about a doozy last week.
AirPlay using AppleTV is a fantastic thing and in an Educational setting would allow for that long-dreamed of wireless classroom becoming a reality. Students could stream their stuff to the screen, as could the teacher and all kinds of things that used to involve clunky projectors, laptops and so on would be magically transformed. Most importantly, instead of having one spot where everyone has to drag their device and plug in so as to tech from a podium, the classroom would become a democratic environment again.
Problem is ... AirPlay only works if everyone is on the same wireless network and that requires completely open, unsecure networks. The kind you will never find in any decent school, university or college. One also has to lock down all of the retail elements of the device and the UI as well.
AppleTV is basically only useful for consumers who use it in their own home. Any kind of education, institutional, or corporate uses are just impossible at this point.
I hope the AppleTV will get an Appstore this year.
Where would an app be stored on an ATV? Or am I misunderstanding you?
Problem is ... AirPlay only works if everyone is on the same wireless network and that requires completely open, unsecure networks. The kind you will never find in any decent school, university or college. One also has to lock down all of the retail elements of the device and the UI as well.
Not if they move to an ad-hoc network setup. This bypasses routers completely and would only be useful for WiFi or BT devices within the immediate vaccinity.
With, say, a professor sending out a request for a student to control the AppleTV that sees devices in its range and even displaying on-screen a 6-digit pin to pair devices would offer a certain level of security.
Where would an app be stored on an ATV? Or am I misunderstanding you?
The current AppleTV comes with 8GB of flash storage.
Which leads me to wonder if iWork is loosing mind share at Apple. Especially in light of the lack of iWork for the Mac not raising its ugly head. I have this feeling the next iWork for the Mac will be iWork 2012.
I am downloading them now. I expect the iOS apps to get feature parity with the OS X apps and better AirPlay mirroring.
Funny, someone was badmouthing iWork over at asymco -- I posted the following:
I agree wholeheartedly with @EWPellegrino -- iWork is a creditable offering for the price. Here are some advantages:
-- Keynote is superior to PowerPoint
-- Pages, though known as a WP program is an excellent graphics program
---- Pages can be used to create collages -- faster, easier and more flexible than programs costings $ Hundreds
---- Pages uses shapes, masking, Bezier curves, and stacking of objects approximating layers
-- The iOS versions of the apps have most of the features of the OS X versions and can share files
-- All the iWork apps are robust enough to satisfy most users' needs
-- Keynote on an iDevice can be used to stream presos to an HDTV via AppleTV
iWork is the most comprehensive office suite available across the desktop, smartphone and tablet devices.
We haven't used MS-Office in 3 years
I would bet the channels already have agreements in place with cable companies which would prevent something like this
Why? Nothing like that has ever existed before and no one (to my knowledge) has ever suggested it but myself. And I certainly don't work for a cable company.
Not if they move to an ad-hoc network setup. This bypasses routers completely and would only be useful for WiFi or BT devices within the immediate vaccinity.
With, say, a professor sending out a request for a student to control the AppleTV that sees devices in its range and even displaying on-screen a 6-digit pin to pair devices would offer a certain level of security.
The current AppleTV comes with 8GB of flash storage.
Funny... what you described is almost exactly how we used an network of 7 Apple ][s and a 5MB Corvus HD in a classroom at Saratoga HS, Saratoga, CA... in 1980.
Of course there were wires, instead of wireless, and a large BW monitor instead of an HDTV, at the front of the classroom.
But, the instructor on one Apple ][ could give control to a student's machine, who then in turn controlled the BW monitor from his Apple ][.
'Course it didn't take long for the students to make the system sing in ways that the instructor (nor I) knew were possible,
Why? Nothing like that has ever existed before and no one (to my knowledge) has ever suggested it but myself. And I certainly don't work for a cable company.
Someone on another AI thread, a few days ago, responded to my wish list to stream different TV channels (live or other content) from an AppleTV or the cableco's STB to multiple iPads concurrently.
He said he had TimeWarner cable and he could get about 50 channels now, but they were adding new ones all the time.
We have u-verse which uses MS Plays-For-Crap... so I guess we won't be getting it from the cableco.
I'll see if I can find the post and link to it later.
I would bet the channels already have agreements in place with cable companies which would prevent something like this
Indeed. Exclusive content. One would expect to pay more for exclusive conent. IOW, if a cable company wants that key to the castle, they need to pay more to the "Channel." And of course, if there was no other outlet, the Channel might not have cared to charge more, as it was moot. Ain't moot anymore. After that, it is simple economics.
Among them are Notification Center, an innovative way to easily view and manage notifications in one place without interruption...
Let's not push it, shall we?
Not if they move to an ad-hoc network setup. This bypasses routers completely and would only be useful for WiFi or BT devices within the immediate vaccinity.
With, say, a professor sending out a request for a student to control the AppleTV that sees devices in its range and even displaying on-screen a 6-digit pin to pair devices would offer a certain level of security. ...
Yes, but the security is not usually for the users but for the University. Most decent colleges and Universities don't allow any wireless networks to operate on campus other than the approved ones.
If I read your suggestion correctly, you are suggesting the professor set up his/her own wireless network in the class which would be strictly verboten.
If I read your suggestion correctly, you are suggesting the professor set up his/her own wireless network in the class which would be strictly verboten.
Not at all. I'm suggesting corporate conference rooms, class rooms, and living rooms allow AirPlay to have the option to work similar to AirDrop insofar that it creates a direct connection between two devices without the use of an intermediarry LAN node such as a router.
I don't agree about the server, but while we are talking about the failures of AppleTV, I heard about a doozy last week.
AirPlay using AppleTV is a fantastic thing and in an Educational setting would allow for that long-dreamed of wireless classroom becoming a reality. Students could stream their stuff to the screen, as could the teacher and all kinds of things that used to involve clunky projectors, laptops and so on would be magically transformed. Most importantly, instead of having one spot where everyone has to drag their device and plug in so as to tech from a podium, the classroom would become a democratic environment again.
Problem is ... AirPlay only works if everyone is on the same wireless network and that requires completely open, unsecure networks. The kind you will never find in any decent school, university or college. One also has to lock down all of the retail elements of the device and the UI as well.
AppleTV is basically only useful for consumers who use it in their own home. Any kind of education, institutional, or corporate uses are just impossible at this point.
You could solve the network issue with a configuration profile and third party software from good or mobile iron. It won't be cheap but it can be addressed
Is anyone else's "Define" feature not working? Mine has actually been disabled since beta 5 and I want to know if anyone else had the same issue. I am speaking of the iOS-wide function where you select a word and define it?mine simply doesn't have the option anymore.
Mine is there but I have to schroll right on the balloon, after replace. It has to be a dictionary word though.
If you are talking about the Beta I suggest you discuss this at the devforums site. It's a violation of your developer agreement to discuss beta details publicly. Its also useful to file bug reports if you find issues.
Cheers!
Devforums.apple.com
Why? Nothing like that has ever existed before and no one (to my knowledge) has ever suggested it but myself. And I certainly don't work for a cable company.
Not sure if this will happen with apple tv but streaming and paying for channels a-la-carte would be great! My cable bills are through the roof and we only watch 5% of the channels on the line-up if that.
OTOH If and when that happens the cable companies will probably introduce tiered data plans and it will be a wash.
OTOH If and when that happens the cable companies will probably introduce tiered data plans and it will be a wash.
So? DSL. Fiber. Screw cable.
If that happens, we'd see an Open Letter to ISPs from Steve Jobs. Consumers would see the truth and be enraged.
I hope the AppleTV will get an Appstore this year.
Me too. The Appstore or Safari or both.
Would like to see how the Airplay plays out. That may be a big deal.
Still wishing Apple would do movie subscriptions like Netflix and Blockbuster. Could use an alternative.