Just as well, I suppose. I'm in no hurry to move to Lion, personally. What's the exact advantage? I'm on SL and fine with it. SL is stable for me, for the most part. I have some PPC apps that require Rosetta, so Lion is actually a downgrade for me - and again, why do I need Lion? What's the "must have" here? The whole iCloud thing leaves me a bit meh. It's useless to me as far as music goes, because I have 2TB of music on my local hard drives, in lossless format. And as far as synching - other than my late 2009 iMac all I have is an iPod Touch 4G (the 12" PPC ibook with Tiger 10.4.11 doesn't count, I'm sure), so not in a desperate need to synch tons of calendars and the like, plus with wi-fi access, I'm good with google calendar and google docs.
Bottom line: I see absolutely no reason to go to Lion at this time. Therefore bringing SL up to speed on some stuff is OK I suppose, but not decisive for me one way or the other.
I'll wait until Lion is at least as stable as SL before I even think about upgrading for no reason whatsoever. Maybe I'll do it some time next year, or around 10.7.5.
I'm in no hurry and see no compelling reason to upgrade.
Just as well, I suppose. I'm in no hurry to move to Lion, personally. What's the exact advantage? I'm on SL and fine with it. SL is stable for me, for the most part. I have some PPC apps that require Rosetta, so Lion is actually a downgrade for me - and again, why do I need Lion? What's the "must have" here? The whole iCloud thing leaves me a bit meh. It's useless to me as far as music goes, because I have 2TB of music on my local hard drives, in lossless format. And as far as synching - other than my late 2009 iMac all I have is an iPod Touch 4G (the 12" PPC ibook with Tiger 10.4.11 doesn't count, I'm sure), so not in a desperate need to synch tons of calendars and the like, plus with wi-fi access, I'm good with google calendar and google docs.
Bottom line: I see absolutely no reason to go to Lion at this time. Therefore bringing SL up to speed on some stuff is OK I suppose, but not decisive for me one way or the other.
I'll wait until Lion is at least as stable as SL before I even think about upgrading for no reason whatsoever. Maybe I'll do it some time next year, or around 10.7.5.
I'm in no hurry and see no compelling reason to upgrade.
Exactly. Lion is only for those that need the new stuff. If you're happy with the older way of doing things there's no reason to upgrade.
I wonder if this is a response to how bad Lion Server Is. If you have not tried Lion Server, it I absolutely horrible compared to Snow Leopard server.....
I wonder if this is a response to how bad Lion Server Is. If you have not tried Lion Server, it I absolutely horrible compared to Snow Leopard server.....
Huh? Lion Server is the world's most advanced server operating system. It's fantastic technology.
This would be a monster step forward for every user of Sl that's just on the ragged edge of having a great experience/setup on that platform but not being able to transition to Lion. This will keep MILLIONS of users smiling...
Apple has to reach the half million paid user base first before they can keep millions smiling.
I'm not sure they would get 'millions' even if it were a free service.
Yes, but in this case the computer doesn't do the job you want it to do (run Lion and iCloud), therefore that's the reason to upgrade.
The way you are phrasing it is kind of a circular logic (It does what I want it to do so I shouldn't have to upgrade it to make it do that thing that I want it to do, that it doesn't actually do).
Are you just being cute?
What I'm saying is that I found it irritating that I should replace my tower (2700.00) and laptop (1895.00) because they are taking away the sync feature I've been paying 100$ a year since there is a fee. It would be great if they just gave a bit of syncing capability to older machines. It would less smell like we are removing features so you addicted lazy people HAVE to buy new machines.
The surprise would be if SL offered the full iCloud experience. Many of iCloud's basic features are simple repackaged standards: IMAP for mail, vCards for contacts, CalDAV for events. In other words, the same technology MobileMe uses. I could see the file syncing not making it to SL becuase that's probably a pretty advance implementation of WebDAV to sync fragments of files and leverages a lot of the same code as AutoSave and Versions in Lion.
If iCloud doesn't support SL in at least some minimal fashion, Apple risks losing a lot of people to alternative services such as Google. As much as Apple would love everyone to upgrade to Lion, I think they'd also also prefer to keep those who don't upgrade drinking the kool-aid so they can be influenced to upgrade at some point in the future. Otherwise once someone starts using another service they may not easily come back for iCloud later.
Precisely. If Apple fails to support these basic services, every MobileMe subscriber who can't or who'd prefer not to upgrade to Lion would be dramatically downgraded. I'd like to think that Apple has finally heard the protests.
They'd get a lot more people buying Lion if they just added Rosetta support.
People don't want to just throw away the apps they have spent a lot of time and money on. In a perfect world, if you are rich like Steve Jobs, you can afford every new platform or OS or processor or software change. Many of us can't do that.
Huh? Lion Server is the world's most advanced server operating system. It's fantastic technology.
You have got to be kidding... Lion Server Broke just about everything that was working in Snow Leopard. The fact that it does not correctly support virtual hosts is horrible...
They'd get a lot more people buying Lion if they just added Rosetta support.
People don't want to just throw away the apps they have spent a lot of time and money on. In a perfect world, if you are rich like Steve Jobs, you can afford every new platform or OS or processor or software change. Many of us can't do that.
You are absolutely correct, and I think Apple has moved far to quickly to squash PPC apps.
I would have already upgraded if not for this fact.
I specifically purchased a new Mac this year BEFORE Lion was released so I would not be forced to use it. I made that decision after learning that Lion would not support Rosetta.
Apple's developer community must be thrilled by this move, however. I know I have been spending cash trying to update apps from PPC to Intel, in preparation for the inevitable move. Unfortunately, some of the apps I use are no longer supported, so I will have to purchase new apps to replace them. Not happy about it.
You are absolutely correct, and I think Apple has moved far to quickly to squash PPC apps.
I would have already upgraded if not for this fact.
I specifically purchased a new Mac this year BEFORE Lion was released so I would not be forced to use it. I made that decision after learning that Lion would not support Rosetta.
Apple's developer community must be thrilled by this move, however. I know I have been spending cash trying to update apps from PPC to Intel, in preparation for the inevitable move. Unfortunately, some of the apps I use are no longer supported, so I will have to purchase new apps to replace them. Not happy about it.
When you consider 1) the number of years since the Apple has been using Intel chips, 2) the average usage of a computer, and 3) the growth rate of Macs I wouldn't think there are too many people inconvenienced by Lion. And shouldn't you blame the app maker for not upgrading their app? After all, it's been over 6 years since Apple announced the transition. How many decades should Apple support legacy code for lazy developers and at what expense? Do you think they should also be supporting Motorola chips because some app developers never made the transition to PPC?
You are absolutely correct, and I think Apple has moved far to quickly to squash PPC apps.
Stock phrase here: "Tech changes. Get over it."
You can go with Apple and have current software that runs well on current hardware or you can go with Microsoft and run Windows 3.1 and every single Windows application ever created on any computer made today. That's the price you pay for compatibility.
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And shouldn't you blame the app maker for not upgrading their app?
It would be a huge mistake not to bring Snow Leopard into the cloud.
It would be a good idea to Leopard into the cloud as there are a great many PPC Macs still out there (and will be for quite some time to come) which are EOL at Leopard.
Simply put, it increases the number of potential customers appreciably.
It would be a huge mistake not to bring Snow Leopard into the cloud.
It would be a good idea to Leopard into the cloud as there are a great many PPC Macs still out there (and will be for quite some time to come) which are EOL at Leopard.
Simply put, it increases the number of potential customers appreciably.
You've got to be kidding right? iCloud for a 4 year old OS that it's successor has been surpassed by a newer operating system? The last PowerPC's were sold five years ago, time to move on.
Although the chances are, Apple is using the POWER7 architecture (a successor to POWER4 which the PowerPC 970 [G5] ran on) for iCloud.
You've got to be kidding right? iCloud for a 4 year old OS that it's successor has been surpassed by a newer operating system? The last PowerPC's were sold five years ago, time to move on.
Although the chances are, Apple is using the POWER7 architecture (a successor to POWER4 which the PowerPC 970 [G5] ran on) for iCloud.
"I kid you not." (Jack Parr) One of the sales point that Apple always makes is that their machines have a longer service life than most PCs. Besides, we are talking about a "thin client" setup whenever you are "in the Cloud" and it simply can't be that difficult to accomplish. Failure to do so will likely cause people to simply ignore iCloud, perhaps forever and maybe Apple along the way.
I am not too sure that anyone outside of Apple actually knows what platform will be used for the server center. Unless there has been a major change recently, the servers are a contract bit. Apple has gone through several of them trying to get the discussion forums working right and still has problems.
I am also not too sure that it really matters what the platform (or OS for that matter) may be. Most server farms are now run with anything the client wants in virtualization anyway. The whole idea of "the cloud" is data anyway and data really does not care much about the system it sits on.
If I had to guess, Apple really would not be too fond of using an IBM system anyway. The divorce was a bit messy.
Cheers
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P.S. The Snow Leopard bit is probably more important than most people think as there is going to be a reluctance of many users in the professional environment to move to Lion any time soon for a variety of reasons such as just plain not liking it to the fact that it will take some time for the bugs to get worked out in Lion and various and sundry app related issues that will keep many a professional on Snow Leopard for some time to come. They don't care about having the latest offering. They care about getting work done and stability. (How many times have professionals waited for the dot two release before making the commitment to trying to make things work?)
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Bottom line: I see absolutely no reason to go to Lion at this time. Therefore bringing SL up to speed on some stuff is OK I suppose, but not decisive for me one way or the other.
I'll wait until Lion is at least as stable as SL before I even think about upgrading for no reason whatsoever. Maybe I'll do it some time next year, or around 10.7.5.
I'm in no hurry and see no compelling reason to upgrade.
Just as well, I suppose. I'm in no hurry to move to Lion, personally. What's the exact advantage? I'm on SL and fine with it. SL is stable for me, for the most part. I have some PPC apps that require Rosetta, so Lion is actually a downgrade for me - and again, why do I need Lion? What's the "must have" here? The whole iCloud thing leaves me a bit meh. It's useless to me as far as music goes, because I have 2TB of music on my local hard drives, in lossless format. And as far as synching - other than my late 2009 iMac all I have is an iPod Touch 4G (the 12" PPC ibook with Tiger 10.4.11 doesn't count, I'm sure), so not in a desperate need to synch tons of calendars and the like, plus with wi-fi access, I'm good with google calendar and google docs.
Bottom line: I see absolutely no reason to go to Lion at this time. Therefore bringing SL up to speed on some stuff is OK I suppose, but not decisive for me one way or the other.
I'll wait until Lion is at least as stable as SL before I even think about upgrading for no reason whatsoever. Maybe I'll do it some time next year, or around 10.7.5.
I'm in no hurry and see no compelling reason to upgrade.
Exactly. Lion is only for those that need the new stuff. If you're happy with the older way of doing things there's no reason to upgrade.
I wonder if this is a response to how bad Lion Server Is. If you have not tried Lion Server, it I absolutely horrible compared to Snow Leopard server.....
Huh? Lion Server is the world's most advanced server operating system. It's fantastic technology.
This would be a monster step forward for every user of Sl that's just on the ragged edge of having a great experience/setup on that platform but not being able to transition to Lion. This will keep MILLIONS of users smiling...
Apple has to reach the half million paid user base first before they can keep millions smiling.
I'm not sure they would get 'millions' even if it were a free service.
They have a ways to go.
Yes, but in this case the computer doesn't do the job you want it to do (run Lion and iCloud), therefore that's the reason to upgrade.
The way you are phrasing it is kind of a circular logic (It does what I want it to do so I shouldn't have to upgrade it to make it do that thing that I want it to do, that it doesn't actually do).
Are you just being cute?
What I'm saying is that I found it irritating that I should replace my tower (2700.00) and laptop (1895.00) because they are taking away the sync feature I've been paying 100$ a year since there is a fee. It would be great if they just gave a bit of syncing capability to older machines. It would less smell like we are removing features so you addicted lazy people HAVE to buy new machines.
The surprise would be if SL offered the full iCloud experience. Many of iCloud's basic features are simple repackaged standards: IMAP for mail, vCards for contacts, CalDAV for events. In other words, the same technology MobileMe uses. I could see the file syncing not making it to SL becuase that's probably a pretty advance implementation of WebDAV to sync fragments of files and leverages a lot of the same code as AutoSave and Versions in Lion.
If iCloud doesn't support SL in at least some minimal fashion, Apple risks losing a lot of people to alternative services such as Google. As much as Apple would love everyone to upgrade to Lion, I think they'd also also prefer to keep those who don't upgrade drinking the kool-aid so they can be influenced to upgrade at some point in the future. Otherwise once someone starts using another service they may not easily come back for iCloud later.
Precisely. If Apple fails to support these basic services, every MobileMe subscriber who can't or who'd prefer not to upgrade to Lion would be dramatically downgraded. I'd like to think that Apple has finally heard the protests.
I'm not sure they would get 'millions' even if it were a free service.
More people use Apple's Game Center than do Xbox Live? and Game Center SUCKS.
So?
People don't want to just throw away the apps they have spent a lot of time and money on. In a perfect world, if you are rich like Steve Jobs, you can afford every new platform or OS or processor or software change. Many of us can't do that.
My single iMac Core Duo, out of a 4 Apple Computer Home Network, is the sole machine that cannot support Lion.
Yet I want doc synchronization, a la iCloud !!!
I had actually been researching upgrading the CPU to a Core 2 Duo, and all the mess that entails, just to support Lion.
Now, I will want to wait and see.
I have the same machine and a newer one that I haven't upgraded yet so yeah, great news!
Huh? Lion Server is the world's most advanced server operating system. It's fantastic technology.
You have got to be kidding... Lion Server Broke just about everything that was working in Snow Leopard. The fact that it does not correctly support virtual hosts is horrible...
They'd get a lot more people buying Lion if they just added Rosetta support.
People don't want to just throw away the apps they have spent a lot of time and money on. In a perfect world, if you are rich like Steve Jobs, you can afford every new platform or OS or processor or software change. Many of us can't do that.
You are absolutely correct, and I think Apple has moved far to quickly to squash PPC apps.
I would have already upgraded if not for this fact.
I specifically purchased a new Mac this year BEFORE Lion was released so I would not be forced to use it. I made that decision after learning that Lion would not support Rosetta.
Apple's developer community must be thrilled by this move, however. I know I have been spending cash trying to update apps from PPC to Intel, in preparation for the inevitable move. Unfortunately, some of the apps I use are no longer supported, so I will have to purchase new apps to replace them. Not happy about it.
You are absolutely correct, and I think Apple has moved far to quickly to squash PPC apps.
I would have already upgraded if not for this fact.
I specifically purchased a new Mac this year BEFORE Lion was released so I would not be forced to use it. I made that decision after learning that Lion would not support Rosetta.
Apple's developer community must be thrilled by this move, however. I know I have been spending cash trying to update apps from PPC to Intel, in preparation for the inevitable move. Unfortunately, some of the apps I use are no longer supported, so I will have to purchase new apps to replace them. Not happy about it.
When you consider 1) the number of years since the Apple has been using Intel chips, 2) the average usage of a computer, and 3) the growth rate of Macs I wouldn't think there are too many people inconvenienced by Lion. And shouldn't you blame the app maker for not upgrading their app? After all, it's been over 6 years since Apple announced the transition. How many decades should Apple support legacy code for lazy developers and at what expense? Do you think they should also be supporting Motorola chips because some app developers never made the transition to PPC?
You are absolutely correct, and I think Apple has moved far to quickly to squash PPC apps.
Stock phrase here: "Tech changes. Get over it."
You can go with Apple and have current software that runs well on current hardware or you can go with Microsoft and run Windows 3.1 and every single Windows application ever created on any computer made today. That's the price you pay for compatibility.
And shouldn't you blame the app maker for not upgrading their app?
I'll answer that: Yes, you should.
It would be a good idea to Leopard into the cloud as there are a great many PPC Macs still out there (and will be for quite some time to come) which are EOL at Leopard.
Simply put, it increases the number of potential customers appreciably.
Simply put, it increases the number of potential customers appreciably.
And the load on Apple's FREE TO THE USERS service appreciably. Servers don't run on magic.
How about lets not let the PowerPC crowd use iCloud and just leave it to people with
1. Modern computers
2. Modern OS'
And who are part of a much smaller user base so that we don't have the system crash on launch day and stay down for a month?
The fewer people using iCloud, the better. At least at the start so that Apple can slowly scale it up as more people buy new computers.
It would be a huge mistake not to bring Snow Leopard into the cloud.
It would be a good idea to Leopard into the cloud as there are a great many PPC Macs still out there (and will be for quite some time to come) which are EOL at Leopard.
Simply put, it increases the number of potential customers appreciably.
You've got to be kidding right? iCloud for a 4 year old OS that it's successor has been surpassed by a newer operating system? The last PowerPC's were sold five years ago, time to move on.
Although the chances are, Apple is using the POWER7 architecture (a successor to POWER4 which the PowerPC 970 [G5] ran on) for iCloud.
You've got to be kidding right? iCloud for a 4 year old OS that it's successor has been surpassed by a newer operating system? The last PowerPC's were sold five years ago, time to move on.
Although the chances are, Apple is using the POWER7 architecture (a successor to POWER4 which the PowerPC 970 [G5] ran on) for iCloud.
"I kid you not." (Jack Parr) One of the sales point that Apple always makes is that their machines have a longer service life than most PCs. Besides, we are talking about a "thin client" setup whenever you are "in the Cloud" and it simply can't be that difficult to accomplish. Failure to do so will likely cause people to simply ignore iCloud, perhaps forever and maybe Apple along the way.
I am not too sure that anyone outside of Apple actually knows what platform will be used for the server center. Unless there has been a major change recently, the servers are a contract bit. Apple has gone through several of them trying to get the discussion forums working right and still has problems.
I am also not too sure that it really matters what the platform (or OS for that matter) may be. Most server farms are now run with anything the client wants in virtualization anyway. The whole idea of "the cloud" is data anyway and data really does not care much about the system it sits on.
If I had to guess, Apple really would not be too fond of using an IBM system anyway. The divorce was a bit messy.
Cheers
[Edit]
P.S. The Snow Leopard bit is probably more important than most people think as there is going to be a reluctance of many users in the professional environment to move to Lion any time soon for a variety of reasons such as just plain not liking it to the fact that it will take some time for the bugs to get worked out in Lion and various and sundry app related issues that will keep many a professional on Snow Leopard for some time to come. They don't care about having the latest offering. They care about getting work done and stability. (How many times have professionals waited for the dot two release before making the commitment to trying to make things work?)
Runs pretty damn fast, I can tell a huge difference between lion and Snow Leopard in terms of speed: Lion is faster
How do I sync everything with iCloud? I thought it was possible, lol.
How do I sync everything with iCloud? I thought it was possible, lol.
How when it isn't out yet?