Should we be taking this as Microsoft is evolving Windows 8 so it continues to be easy for enterprise and their IT people to manage and configure........and Apple is evolving their OSX to make it more user friendly and less complicated for the average consumer?
I am liking Windows 7 and hating Lion so far. Win 7 can zoom with Res. Independence while Lion has managed to ruin Expose, Dashboard and Spaces...all the biggest advances in the last half decade for OS X at least for my personal use. Although in general OS X is vastly superior to Windows for my purposes so I'll probably just stay with 10.6 until perhaps 10.8.
The ribbon in Win 8 though, that'll go over like a lead balloon. I'm surprised anyone has upgraded office. I bet they wouldn't have without .docx. I hate the Ribbon. I don't know anyone who does not hate it actually. It's almost as retarded as the "hoppping" tabs that Windows dialogue boxes have always had, that move positions on you.
Why are interfaces getting worse and uglier!? From iCal and Lion to Windows 8. What happened to all the good interface people!?
No one can accuse them of copying Apple there. Yikes!
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...Lion has managed to ruin Expose, Dashboard and Spaces...all the biggest advances in the last half decade for OS X at least for my personal use.
So you don't like Mission Control which I think is brilliant. You still have Exposé windowing. What you don't have are big windows for Spaces, instead you have them neatly at the top in a row. And what's this about Dashboard? Mine is exactly how it was before, I even access it from the same Hot Corner as before.
Wow ribbon is totally not needed in finder. Its a pro feature that works super well in office to make you super produxtive, but in finder it just takes up space. Its like using your web browser with developer mode open to siply find the nearest starbucks.
I think there will be a button to hide the ribbon, or have it be turned off by default.
File manager should feel like a folder, not like an app.
I love the contrast in simplicity between iWork and Office.
Oh, and CultOfMac mentioned that the buttons on the new Windows Explorer, according to Microsoft's own research, will be used by less than 50% of users. And they're still putting them on there.
Then, you should check contrast in simplicity between iWork and NotePad. Amazing stuff
On a more serious note... To my knowledge, one will be able to minimise ribbon in Explorer and all the current keyboard shortcuts and right-key menu options will be available as well... so basically, everyone will be able to use it to one's liking.
Understandable for Windows to go to that direction considering their target audience or more like their core users: old dinosaurs who can't go past without big obtrusive icons and clear-cut direction of what to do with it -- this icon do this, this one do that etc.
I am a long term Windows user. I really lost something when these ribbons were implemented in Office, and not looking forward to Windows 8.
When they say " The commands that make up 84% of what customers" Why can't it remember what I want to do (it's repeated over and over). Get that up front, leave the 'remembering' where for everything else...
The whole "Building Windows 8" blog is great reading if you want to see a train wreck. I think we're looking at another Vista. I have no idea why they're adding so much complexity to Explorer. It's starting to look like KDE's Konquerer.
That said, the Finder sucks too. Does anyone actually use any of those hideous looking mini-Cover Flow Arrange By views? Does anyone like them?
They are not adding, only exposing. Much as I can see, all of those features are already available in Windows 7 Explorer, from right-click menu or "Organize" menu. So people who don't like right-click (Apple converts? ) or menus will have everything on screen. Those who don't like clutter can use handy-dandy little arrow next to Help button to minimize ribbon.
There is not much doubt existing users will do it traditional way, through shortcuts or right-click... but I think it makes sense for new users. Time will tell.
The whole "Building Windows 8" blog is great reading if you want to see a train wreck. I think we're looking at another Vista. I have no idea why they're adding so much complexity to Explorer. It's starting to look like KDE's Konquerer.
That said, the Finder sucks too. Does anyone actually use any of those hideous looking mini-Cover Flow Arrange By views? Does anyone like them?
All I will say is "lots of images" with regards to the cover flow views.
More Microsoft focus groups. That ribbon is a clusterfu*k. Look at how much space is wasted and how displeasing to the eye it is.
The effort to consolidate all the user functions has actually had a negative effect. They eliminated the menu bar because most people didn't use it. Now they have text AND icons that take up 3x more vertical space on the screen than Windows XP.
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The ribbon in Win 8 though, that'll go over like a lead balloon. I'm surprised anyone has upgraded office. I bet they wouldn't have without .docx. I hate the Ribbon. I don't know anyone who does not hate it actually. It's almost as retarded as the "hoppping" tabs that Windows dialogue boxes have always had, that move positions on you.
Why are interfaces getting worse and uglier!? From iCal and Lion to Windows 8. What happened to all the good interface people!?
Well done Microsoft. You've managed to take the cluttered Aero interface and somehow make it even MORE cluttered.
Are Microsoft's UI designers asleep or just stupid?
At least for me, agree totally. Ribbon interface drives me nuts. Maybe that's their plan to drive the world crazy, create chaos.
Did ya see how many buttons we crammed onto that window.
Everywhere we got buttons.
Buttons all over the place.
F*cking Buttons on top of one another
Buttons F*cking everywhere...
Holy Sh*t we got buttons....
best buttons around. plus we keep moving them around.
Even better - moving buttons. We are now known as the button movers.
We specialize in button movement.
We are the kings of buttons...
...Lion has managed to ruin Expose, Dashboard and Spaces...all the biggest advances in the last half decade for OS X at least for my personal use.
So you don't like Mission Control which I think is brilliant. You still have Exposé windowing. What you don't have are big windows for Spaces, instead you have them neatly at the top in a row. And what's this about Dashboard? Mine is exactly how it was before, I even access it from the same Hot Corner as before.
I think there will be a button to hide the ribbon, or have it be turned off by default.
File manager should feel like a folder, not like an app.
I love the title.
Not depart from Windows 7, depart from OS X.
I love the contrast in simplicity between iWork and Office.
Oh, and CultOfMac mentioned that the buttons on the new Windows Explorer, according to Microsoft's own research, will be used by less than 50% of users. And they're still putting them on there.
Then, you should check contrast in simplicity between iWork and NotePad. Amazing stuff
On a more serious note... To my knowledge, one will be able to minimise ribbon in Explorer and all the current keyboard shortcuts and right-key menu options will be available as well... so basically, everyone will be able to use it to one's liking.
We got buttons. We got a lot of buttons. Buttons Buttons!!
Did ya see how many buttons we crammed onto that window.
Everywhere we got buttons.
Buttons all over the place.
F*cking Buttons on top of one another
Buttons F*cking everywhere...
Holy Sh*t we got buttons....
best buttons around. plus we keep moving them around.
Even better - moving buttons. We are now known as the button movers.
We specialize in button movement.
We are the kings of buttons...
You sir, are awesome!
So what makes you think it's Windows 7 research?
Because... it is pretty hard to research on Windows 8 usage at this point of time?
When they say " The commands that make up 84% of what customers" Why can't it remember what I want to do (it's repeated over and over). Get that up front, leave the 'remembering' where for everything else...
Come on boys, time to get it right.
The whole "Building Windows 8" blog is great reading if you want to see a train wreck. I think we're looking at another Vista. I have no idea why they're adding so much complexity to Explorer. It's starting to look like KDE's Konquerer.
That said, the Finder sucks too. Does anyone actually use any of those hideous looking mini-Cover Flow Arrange By views? Does anyone like them?
They are not adding, only exposing. Much as I can see, all of those features are already available in Windows 7 Explorer, from right-click menu or "Organize" menu. So people who don't like right-click (Apple converts?
There is not much doubt existing users will do it traditional way, through shortcuts or right-click... but I think it makes sense for new users. Time will tell.
The whole "Building Windows 8" blog is great reading if you want to see a train wreck. I think we're looking at another Vista. I have no idea why they're adding so much complexity to Explorer. It's starting to look like KDE's Konquerer.
That said, the Finder sucks too. Does anyone actually use any of those hideous looking mini-Cover Flow Arrange By views? Does anyone like them?
All I will say is "lots of images" with regards to the cover flow views.
My favorite "pro user" finder mod is TotalFinder.
We got buttons. We got a lot of buttons. Buttons Buttons!!
Did ya see how many buttons we crammed onto that window.
Everywhere we got buttons.
Buttons all over the place.
F*cking Buttons on top of one another
Buttons F*cking everywhere...
Holy Sh*t we got buttons....
best buttons around. plus we keep moving them around.
Even better - moving buttons. We are now known as the button movers.
We specialize in button movement.
We are the kings of buttons...
That was HILARIOUS! Made me laugh so hard I cried. Couple a beers didn't hurt either
to present a limited number of default toolbar buttons. along with a strip of contextual controls
Apple's iCloud similarly reduces the exposure of file system
Latest DED typos - period in the middle of a sentence, and should say the file system.
The effort to consolidate all the user functions has actually had a negative effect. They eliminated the menu bar because most people didn't use it. Now they have text AND icons that take up 3x more vertical space on the screen than Windows XP.
We got buttons. We got a lot of buttons. Buttons Buttons!!
Did ya see how many buttons we crammed onto that window.
Everywhere we got buttons.
Buttons all over the place.
F*cking Buttons on top of one another
Buttons F*cking everywhere...
Holy Sh*t we got buttons....
best buttons around. plus we keep moving them around.
Even better - moving buttons. We are now known as the button movers.
We specialize in button movement.
We are the kings of buttons...
...and should say the file system.
When I went to university they'd have sent me to hospital for mental issues if I claimed such a thing.