The weird thing is I have met or seen literally countless people with iPhones and even many BBs but I have yet to see anyone with an Android phone. And yes I travel a lot!
Same here. I don't know where all of those 40%+ Android phones are. All I see on our campus are iPhones and BBs. I was talking to an IT support guy few months ago about the performance of our campus WiFi network and he said they are redesigning and upgrading the WiFi system because of the high volume of the iPhone and iPad traffic.
How does that report prove that "Worldwide and platform to platform, iOS already "won" a long time ago"? Unless I'm reading it wrong, it says that there's no single winner globally and that Android is beating the iPhone in terms of marketshare and growth.
"But the iphone is only on two carriers" thing. Its anoying and it shows the complete ignorance of the user. the iPhone is not only on two carriers in the UK where currently the SGSII is out selling it. Yes it is on multiple carriers there and it still gets out sold by android. Expect android or some other licensed OS to always be number one in the market share. Android fits to the device, meaning customers can pick and chose, Some people want a keyboard, some want an Hdmi port, some want a larger/smaller screen, and some even want a Gimmick on their phone (3d, kickstand...). The iPhone is JUST ONE PHONE. It will have the top sales for the the foreseeable future. But it will never have total market share.
I personally don't agree with the policy (not being to purchase prescription meds at a discount in Canada), but that definitely isn't spin. It's against the law and Google knowingly helped those companies and their customers break the law. Full stop.
The weird thing is I have met or seen literally countless people with iPhones and even many BBs but I have yet to see anyone with an Android phone. And yes I travel a lot!
Given how similar they are in appearance (see: Samsung lawsuit, etc.) you probably just haven't noticed. I'm regularly surprised (do you hear me, Apple patent lawyers) how similar and even confusingly identical Android phones are to iPhones. Sometimes it's only by closing looking at the screen (which is a bit rude...) that I can finally tell it's not an iPhone.
I personally don't agree with the policy (not being to purchase prescription meds at a discount in Canada), but that definitely isn't spin. It's against the law and Google knowingly helped those companies and their customers break the law. Full stop.
Apparently there is incriminating evidence that Page knew directly about the ads but let them go through anyway... but $500 million buys you a non-prosecution agreement.
A guy with 5 posts assumes a guy with 188 posts is a troll. *After* the latter person had already clarified that he was being sarcastic [which was kinda obvious to begin with, if you ask me]. And makes a glaring typo while doing so.
I've seen Android phones in the wild (family and work). The main reason given if I ask is price. I've also noticed that they tend to ask me or my other friends for help on how to do stuff on their phones and usually we have no clue and tell them to google it. I will say that I have never seen a tablet that wasn't an iPad in the wild at. all. ever.
0% market share means no products are sold, thus no profits. You simply have to look at the MP3 player industry to see, yes, Apple does indeed compete for market share. If Apple did not care about market share, they would not have wasted their time on Safari for Microsoft Windows. Unfortunately, Google Chrome came along and took the lead as the WebKit-based web browser.
If Apple did not care about market share, they would not be litigation happy to block other competing hardware from being sold. There is synergy between market share and profits.
+1 and thank you. I'm so tired of the "Apple's not in it for market share" response. Apple may not be in it for every iota of market share, but they damn well better be in it for a stable piece of the market, at a minimum -- or their profits (and piggy bank) will eventually go bye-bye.
+1 and thank you. I'm so tired of the "Apple's not in it for market share" response. Apple may not be in it for every iota of market share, but they damn well better be in it for a stable piece of the market, at a minimum -- or their profits (and piggy bank) will eventually go bye-bye.
How do Apple's profits go down based on a percentage of other manufacturers' phones?
Apple sold 20 million iPhones last quarter.
Whether everyone else sold 50 million or 500 million... it doesn't change what Apple sold.
+1 and thank you. I'm so tired of the "Apple's not in it for market share" response. Apple may not be in it for every iota of market share, but they damn well better be in it for a stable piece of the market, at a minimum -- or their profits (and piggy bank) will eventually go bye-bye.
Whoever said that Apple doesn't want/care about ANY market share? Heck, when the iPhone launched, Steve Jobs stated that he'd be happy and feel lucky to sell 1% share of all cell phones so right out of the gate Apple had SOME goal in market share.
Some people keep comparing an entire platform (Android) comprised of hundreds of phones against two phones (that happen to be #1 and #2 in sales) while ignoring everything else (iPods and iPads) and declaring victory.
The fact of the matter is handset-to-handset, the iPhone has the most smartphone market share.
Platform-to-platform, iOS has more market share (although Android is making some big gains).
As for profit share, Apple has majority in each product category of the platform (PMPs, phones and tablets).
With that said, I am pretty sure Apple is going to be. . . OK.
I rarely see folks using Android phones. When I do, they usually fall into two categories:
1) They were purchased cheap at their local wireless store. Thinking it was "just like an iPhone" but cheaper, or given with a 2-for-1 plan, or whatever supposed "deal" they thought they were getting. Most people in that group from my experience hate their Android phones. Most common reasons - They suck batteries like it's going out of style, shoddy build quality, and just too complicated to use.
2) They very tech-saavy people that are really into tinkering and love command-line windows. For all matters, these are the perfect devices for them as they have some innate need to control every small aspect of their device instead of using it as a phone (and not a PC) and actually doing something better with their time instead of trying to locate the next app that manages phone resources. Let's not get started on the "Free & Open and Walled-garden" debate as most consumers could really not care any less about that.
Everyone else I come across with use iPhones. Most don't own any other Apple products. Most don't ever plug their iPhones into a computer once they start using it. They are happy with it, most have rave reviews about the elegance and simplicity of it. In general, they are a very satisfied customer.
They are also the most stolen... that has to mean something!!!
It is funny, I see the opposite....
In the company I work for, the split in smart phones is about 50/50, ( about 50 total) but most of the techno geeks have the iPhone while the sales people (non-techies) have Android phones. Only two engineers have Android phones (Myself included).... Most of the tecno geeks do have an iPad (Myself included)....
This probably has a little to do with the fact that AT&T does not have data coverage over 1/3rd of our sales territory and the sales force almost exclusively uses Verizon and they got used to Android phones before the iPhone was available....
The really weird part is that not ONE Android user has switched to the iPhone, but three iPhone users switched to Android phones.....
In the company I work for, the split in smart phones is about 50/50, ( about 50 total) but most of the techno geeks have the iPhone while the sales people (non-techies) have Android phones. Only two engineers have Android phones (Myself included).... Most of the tecno geeks do have an iPad (Myself included)....
This probably has a little to do with the fact that AT&T does not have data coverage over 1/3rd of our sales territory and the sales force almost exclusively uses Verizon and they got used to Android phones before the iPhone was available....
The really weird part is that not ONE Android user has switched to the iPhone, but three iPhone users switched to Android phones.....
When you walk into a store... you see 7 android phones... 2 iPhones ... and a couple Blackberries and others.
Statistically more Android phones will go home with more people.
In western Canada I defy anyone to try and find an iPhone for sale. They are never on display. They are never advertised. The admail is always about Android phones. The ad posters in the retail shops are always Android.
Apple had better kick some ass and/or offer better spiffs.
I see Android phones, iPhones, Blackberries, Cheap Android phones, and flip phones all over the place...and I work around entertainment people (B-listers...they make money but not fortunes) and drug dealers, and strippers, DJs and hardworking folk.
I'd say Android outnumbers iPhones but iOS probably outnumbers Android because everyone has an iPad.
Blackberries are in use too but usually as secondary phones...I also see a lot of Macs.
I'm frequnetly seeing iPads in use in public over notebooks. Not other tablets, but iPads. And very often more Macs and non-Mac PCs.
Yup on train just about every day in chicago. See a few ipads, a lot of iphones and macbooks. Very few pcs. About the same android and blackberry. Have never seen a person using non- ipad tablet.
The real test is going to happen when all the low-end players (RIM, Windows, Nokia, etc.) are finally eliminated and the battle takes place between Android and iOS. Will Apple maintain its marketshare or will Android start eating away at Apple's share? Right now it's a growth market and the two leaders have lots of room to expand. The interesting question is "what happens when it's a zero-sum game?"
Android will move to only Motorola if GOOG finally gets it. The rest will do the smart thing and build their own software.
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The weird thing is I have met or seen literally countless people with iPhones and even many BBs but I have yet to see anyone with an Android phone. And yes I travel a lot!
Same here. I don't know where all of those 40%+ Android phones are. All I see on our campus are iPhones and BBs. I was talking to an IT support guy few months ago about the performance of our campus WiFi network and he said they are redesigning and upgrading the WiFi system because of the high volume of the iPhone and iPad traffic.
http://www.canalys.com/newsroom/andr...t-phone-market
How does that report prove that "Worldwide and platform to platform, iOS already "won" a long time ago"? Unless I'm reading it wrong, it says that there's no single winner globally and that Android is beating the iPhone in terms of marketshare and growth.
I wouldn't buy stock in a company convicted of aiding and abetting illegal drug traffickers.
now that is one hell of a Republicanesque spin.
"But the iphone is only on two carriers" thing. Its anoying and it shows the complete ignorance of the user. the iPhone is not only on two carriers in the UK where currently the SGSII is out selling it. Yes it is on multiple carriers there and it still gets out sold by android. Expect android or some other licensed OS to always be number one in the market share. Android fits to the device, meaning customers can pick and chose, Some people want a keyboard, some want an Hdmi port, some want a larger/smaller screen, and some even want a Gimmick on their phone (3d, kickstand...). The iPhone is JUST ONE PHONE. It will have the top sales for the the foreseeable future. But it will never have total market share.
now that is one hell of a Republicanesque spin.
I personally don't agree with the policy (not being to purchase prescription meds at a discount in Canada), but that definitely isn't spin. It's against the law and Google knowingly helped those companies and their customers break the law. Full stop.
The weird thing is I have met or seen literally countless people with iPhones and even many BBs but I have yet to see anyone with an Android phone. And yes I travel a lot!
Given how similar they are in appearance (see: Samsung lawsuit, etc.) you probably just haven't noticed. I'm regularly surprised (do you hear me, Apple patent lawyers) how similar and even confusingly identical Android phones are to iPhones. Sometimes it's only by closing looking at the screen (which is a bit rude...) that I can finally tell it's not an iPhone.
I personally don't agree with the policy (not being to purchase prescription meds at a discount in Canada), but that definitely isn't spin. It's against the law and Google knowingly helped those companies and their customers break the law. Full stop.
Apparently there is incriminating evidence that Page knew directly about the ads but let them go through anyway... but $500 million buys you a non-prosecution agreement.
... and now back to regular programming.
Your an idiot troll
Enough said....
A guy with 5 posts assumes a guy with 188 posts is a troll. *After* the latter person had already clarified that he was being sarcastic [which was kinda obvious to begin with, if you ask me]. And makes a glaring typo while doing so.
Priceless.
0% market share means no products are sold, thus no profits. You simply have to look at the MP3 player industry to see, yes, Apple does indeed compete for market share. If Apple did not care about market share, they would not have wasted their time on Safari for Microsoft Windows. Unfortunately, Google Chrome came along and took the lead as the WebKit-based web browser.
If Apple did not care about market share, they would not be litigation happy to block other competing hardware from being sold. There is synergy between market share and profits.
+1 and thank you. I'm so tired of the "Apple's not in it for market share" response. Apple may not be in it for every iota of market share, but they damn well better be in it for a stable piece of the market, at a minimum -- or their profits (and piggy bank) will eventually go bye-bye.
+1 and thank you. I'm so tired of the "Apple's not in it for market share" response. Apple may not be in it for every iota of market share, but they damn well better be in it for a stable piece of the market, at a minimum -- or their profits (and piggy bank) will eventually go bye-bye.
How do Apple's profits go down based on a percentage of other manufacturers' phones?
Apple sold 20 million iPhones last quarter.
Whether everyone else sold 50 million or 500 million... it doesn't change what Apple sold.
Beleaguered Apple is doomed.
Android rules.
Short AAPL now.
"Well I say SELL. And do it NOW.
C'mon, have I ever been wrong?
Just keep watching this Jedi trick thing I'm doing with my hand. Yep, keep watching . . . keep watching . . . "
+1 and thank you. I'm so tired of the "Apple's not in it for market share" response. Apple may not be in it for every iota of market share, but they damn well better be in it for a stable piece of the market, at a minimum -- or their profits (and piggy bank) will eventually go bye-bye.
Whoever said that Apple doesn't want/care about ANY market share? Heck, when the iPhone launched, Steve Jobs stated that he'd be happy and feel lucky to sell 1% share of all cell phones so right out of the gate Apple had SOME goal in market share.
Some people keep comparing an entire platform (Android) comprised of hundreds of phones against two phones (that happen to be #1 and #2 in sales) while ignoring everything else (iPods and iPads) and declaring victory.
The fact of the matter is handset-to-handset, the iPhone has the most smartphone market share.
Platform-to-platform, iOS has more market share (although Android is making some big gains).
As for profit share, Apple has majority in each product category of the platform (PMPs, phones and tablets).
With that said, I am pretty sure Apple is going to be. . . OK.
I rarely see folks using Android phones. When I do, they usually fall into two categories:
1) They were purchased cheap at their local wireless store. Thinking it was "just like an iPhone" but cheaper, or given with a 2-for-1 plan, or whatever supposed "deal" they thought they were getting. Most people in that group from my experience hate their Android phones. Most common reasons - They suck batteries like it's going out of style, shoddy build quality, and just too complicated to use.
2) They very tech-saavy people that are really into tinkering and love command-line windows. For all matters, these are the perfect devices for them as they have some innate need to control every small aspect of their device instead of using it as a phone (and not a PC) and actually doing something better with their time instead of trying to locate the next app that manages phone resources. Let's not get started on the "Free & Open and Walled-garden" debate as most consumers could really not care any less about that.
Everyone else I come across with use iPhones. Most don't own any other Apple products. Most don't ever plug their iPhones into a computer once they start using it. They are happy with it, most have rave reviews about the elegance and simplicity of it. In general, they are a very satisfied customer.
They are also the most stolen... that has to mean something!!!
It is funny, I see the opposite....
In the company I work for, the split in smart phones is about 50/50, ( about 50 total) but most of the techno geeks have the iPhone while the sales people (non-techies) have Android phones. Only two engineers have Android phones (Myself included).... Most of the tecno geeks do have an iPad (Myself included)....
This probably has a little to do with the fact that AT&T does not have data coverage over 1/3rd of our sales territory and the sales force almost exclusively uses Verizon and they got used to Android phones before the iPhone was available....
The really weird part is that not ONE Android user has switched to the iPhone, but three iPhone users switched to Android phones.....
It is funny, I see the opposite....
In the company I work for, the split in smart phones is about 50/50, ( about 50 total) but most of the techno geeks have the iPhone while the sales people (non-techies) have Android phones. Only two engineers have Android phones (Myself included).... Most of the tecno geeks do have an iPad (Myself included)....
This probably has a little to do with the fact that AT&T does not have data coverage over 1/3rd of our sales territory and the sales force almost exclusively uses Verizon and they got used to Android phones before the iPhone was available....
The really weird part is that not ONE Android user has switched to the iPhone, but three iPhone users switched to Android phones.....
When you walk into a store... you see 7 android phones... 2 iPhones ... and a couple Blackberries and others.
Statistically more Android phones will go home with more people.
Apple had better kick some ass and/or offer better spiffs.
I'd say Android outnumbers iPhones but iOS probably outnumbers Android because everyone has an iPad.
Blackberries are in use too but usually as secondary phones...I also see a lot of Macs.
I'm frequnetly seeing iPads in use in public over notebooks. Not other tablets, but iPads. And very often more Macs and non-Mac PCs.
Yup on train just about every day in chicago. See a few ipads, a lot of iphones and macbooks. Very few pcs. About the same android and blackberry. Have never seen a person using non- ipad tablet.
The real test is going to happen when all the low-end players (RIM, Windows, Nokia, etc.) are finally eliminated and the battle takes place between Android and iOS. Will Apple maintain its marketshare or will Android start eating away at Apple's share? Right now it's a growth market and the two leaders have lots of room to expand. The interesting question is "what happens when it's a zero-sum game?"
Android will move to only Motorola if GOOG finally gets it. The rest will do the smart thing and build their own software.