sadly such an inspiring quote has no bearing on the minds of the majority of apple fans here.
they seem to honestly think that a) Everything Apple does is unique or b) there is no natural progression of tech without apple*
*on another forum I mentioned how there were other companies conceptualizing full capacitive touchscreen phones before the iPhone and showed examples. no replies. the Ben-Q Black Box
How on earth did DED get away with calling Lion's icons "high-contrast"? They're either the same photorealistic stuff they've been doing for years (i.e. app icons) or illegible light gray on lighter gray (sidebars). iOS toolbar icons I can see getting that description, but even then that's just incidental because it happened to make good design sense for toolbars. The entire premise of the Metro UI as a whole is that it's high-contrast and blocky, so it wouldn't make sense to do otherwise for those few little icons in the Start menu.
In short, DED is getting needlessly desperate if that's the worst example of MS' infamous habit of copycatting he could find (and if it is, he's not trying hard enough).
I like the way OS x looks but I like windows more than OS x and personally that kind of icons on windows just look absolutely gay to me (gay as in retardedly stupid kind of gay) I mean the crap looks like Microsoft is trying to make windows look like crap
I grew up understanding gay to mean happy and joyful but I appreciate it has changed meaning these days. However, I fail to be able to discover any reference to your interpretation of the word anywhere. Here is the Wikipedia link. Perhaps your understanding of English is on par with that of your ability to critique an OS? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay
I'm curious about the graphic artists that Microsoft hired to work on the icons. You normally think of artistic types as taking some pride in their work and trying to come up with something original, maybe not completely but at least to build on the current idiom. But I get the feeling that MS's graphic artists do not care, or can't afford to care, about artistic integrity. Or perhaps it's MS who doesn't really care about those things at all and the poor illustrators are just happy to have a steady job. Albeit doing uninspired, mind-numbing mimicry.
Maybe in the hope of recreating a spark of creativity at MS and having read the 'Compaq Story', they are all issued with napkins to design on?
I like the way OS x looks but I like windows more than OS x and personally that kind of icons on windows just look absolutely gay to me (gay as in retardedly stupid kind of gay) I mean the crap looks like Microsoft is trying to make windows look like crap
stick with windows. you are the perfect windows user.
Anyway, this is just pathetic copying. I always thought they copied a bit but since everyone calls them on it you'd think they would start to move away from it and try to be more original. This is even closer copying than ever before.
Seriously? I've had Mac's since 2002 and every version of OS X since then, multiple iPods, an iPhone and have seen a lot of iPads. But I really can remember seeing a black and white interface on any of them. When thing's are gray on an Apple product there always either a metal effect or some sort of gradient, not solid black. Apple's newest icons are also all square with rounded corners.
Where is it you think they got Metro from? I've seen the videos on the Metro design and how the inspiration came from public signs in places like airports and I can see how that's been translated onto a screen. What I can't see though is how Metro's black and white styling is anything like Apple's millions shades of gray.
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i might've believed that if microsoft hadn't had a history of copying apple's creations
So what you're disbelieving the Zune ever existed?
Seriously? I've had Mac's since 2002 and every version of OS X since then, multiple iPods, an iPhone and have seen a lot of iPads. But I really can remember seeing a black and white interface on any of them. When thing's are gray on an Apple product there always either a metal effect or some sort of gradient, not solid black. Apple's newest icons are also all square with rounded corners.
Where is it you think they got Metro from? I've seen the videos on the Metro design and how the inspiration came from public signs in places like airports and I can see how that's been translated onto a screen. What I can't see though is how Metro's black and white styling is anything like Apple's millions shades of gray.
So what you're disbelieving the Zune ever existed?
Perhaps you are not aware of Dreamworks? It's full of Microosft money, and all it does is copy Disney/Pixar ideas and make them worse, rushing them to market in an attempt to kill the original. No creativity, no art, just an effort to make money churning out cheap crap.
Antz: Bugs Life as rotoscoped actors rather than real animated characters
Shark Tale: Finding Nemo as rotoscoped actors rather than real animated characters
Madagascar: Ripped off the entirety of Disney's The Wild
Monsters vs Aliens: Monsters Inc + aliens
Shrek, Chicken Run: spoofs of existing movies
The only really original work comes from acquisitions of preexisting talent that Dreamworks eventually destroyed, like the Aardman animation people.
Curious that Jobs owned Pixar and 18% of Dreamworks is owned by Microsoft director Paul Allen, Microsoft even created an interactive joint venture with Dreamworks. The company also backed HD-DVD with Microsoft, as opposed to the Disney led BluRay
Dude, I don't know why you're using this analogy. Dreamworks was funded by Paul Allen's money, but it has nothing to do with Bill Gates or Microsoft at all. Besides, I really like Dreamworks' movies. They are different and more mature than Pixar's movies. Your analogy is completely off-base!!!!
From the picture, you could see Apple's icons are gorgeous as hell. But DED, why the hell did you name it as Win8start.001.jpg? Do you really like Windows, or you want Windows to win in your subconscious mind? No matter how hard Windows imitates the Mac, the Mac icons are still far more elegant and gorgeous that whatever Microsoft puts out. That's Apple for u!!!
When I'm working on a document, watching a movie, browsing the web I want the content to be the centre of my attention. The application interface should be subtle, unobtrusive and in the background. Monochrome interfaces with well designed icons are the future.
We don't want endless toolbars and buttons in candy-striped colours all clamouring for attention.
Monochrome is the way forward, let the content we are viewing take centre stage please.
When I'm working on a document, watching a movie, browsing the web I want the content to be the centre of my attention. The application interface should be subtle, unobtrusive and in the background. Monochrome interfaces with well designed icons are the future.
We don't want endless toolbars and buttons in candy-striped colours all clamouring for attention.
Monochrome is the way forward, let the content we are viewing take centre stage please.
Some people call Lion too bland but I like it. Can be pleasing to tinker around with, and quite smooth when being productive (you know, actually doing stuff instead of dealing with Office and Windows crashing or lagging).
Arguably the flattening out has gone too far in lion. I can hardly tell which buttons are active anymore. Prime example, the back button in safari. The difference in contrast is so subtle as to be basically useless. Even Apples own HIG stated colour to be useful, right?
I love the new swipe gestures that take the place of 'Back' and 'Forward' arrows!
Back on Topic: High Contrast isn't something apple "Invented" and it DOES NOT MATTER who the first person to bring it to computers was. Seriously, it doesn't.
This "OMG everyone is copying apple" shtick is about as annoying as people who scream "First!" after a post on a real news site. Apple adopts ideas from others, others adopt ideas from Apple. That's how technology, art, fashion, HUMAN PROGRESS works. If you think apple's never adopted an idea from other company, you're fooling yourself. This DOESN'T make them any less innovative, or lower the quality of their products AT ALL. That's just how the world works.
I love the new swipe gestures that take the place of 'Back' and 'Forward' arrows!
I was going to mention that. I understand djsherly's point but I think Apple's reasoning is so move toward natural swipe gestures over virtual buttons for the future. Who knows, maybe for Mac OS XI we'll lose half the virtual buttons we see because Apple will expect that gestures are commonplace enough. They certainly are faster than moving the pointer around the screen.
What exactly is the purpose of over analyzing the interface of a pre-beta version of Windows? It's pretty obvious that there is no way that the start button shown is anywhere near final.
Second, why does DED continuously make comments on how well the 'legacy' interface will work with touch?
I grew up understanding gay to mean happy and joyful but I appreciate it has changed meaning these days. However, I fail to be able to discover any reference to your interpretation of the word anywhere. Here is the Wikipedia link. Perhaps your understanding of English is on par with that of your ability to critique an OS? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay
Uhm... the word has been used that way since at least the 80's. Perhaps you should look beyond Wikipedia and get out into the real world.
Does anyone else find it funny that Microsoft changes their UI dramatically with every iteration? I mean, they can't settle on ANYTHING, effing start menu looks totally different every time and I hear nothing but complaints about this phenomena from win users.
I was going to mention that. I understand djsherly's point but I think Apple's reasoning is so move toward natural swipe gestures over virtual buttons for the future. Who knows, maybe for Mac OS XI we'll lose half the virtual buttons we see because Apple will expect that gestures are commonplace enough. They certainly are faster than moving the pointer around the screen.
God forbid both be an option.
I like to lay back in my chair and click buttons. how would that be possible on a solely gesture run device?
I know we don't take this guy seriously, but this was too funny... according to Dilger the Windows 8 desgin is radically departing from Mac OS X Lion at the same time as copying it.
One has to wonder what kind of mind can be ok with logic like this!
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everything is borrowed at some point or the other...there are few completely new ideas.
Standing on the shoulders of giants.
Standing on the shoulders of giants.
sadly such an inspiring quote has no bearing on the minds of the majority of apple fans here.
they seem to honestly think that a) Everything Apple does is unique or b) there is no natural progression of tech without apple*
*on another forum I mentioned how there were other companies conceptualizing full capacitive touchscreen phones before the iPhone and showed examples. no replies. the Ben-Q Black Box
In short, DED is getting needlessly desperate if that's the worst example of MS' infamous habit of copycatting he could find (and if it is, he's not trying hard enough).
I like the way OS x looks but I like windows more than OS x and personally that kind of icons on windows just look absolutely gay to me (gay as in retardedly stupid kind of gay) I mean the crap looks like Microsoft is trying to make windows look like crap
I grew up understanding gay to mean happy and joyful but I appreciate it has changed meaning these days. However, I fail to be able to discover any reference to your interpretation of the word anywhere. Here is the Wikipedia link. Perhaps your understanding of English is on par with that of your ability to critique an OS? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay
I'm curious about the graphic artists that Microsoft hired to work on the icons. You normally think of artistic types as taking some pride in their work and trying to come up with something original, maybe not completely but at least to build on the current idiom. But I get the feeling that MS's graphic artists do not care, or can't afford to care, about artistic integrity. Or perhaps it's MS who doesn't really care about those things at all and the poor illustrators are just happy to have a steady job. Albeit doing uninspired, mind-numbing mimicry.
Maybe in the hope of recreating a spark of creativity at MS and having read the 'Compaq Story', they are all issued with napkins to design on?
I'm liking the monochrome but there is a whole lot of other stuff that seems to be adding clutter and confusion to the UI.
'you can't polish a turd'
I like the way OS x looks but I like windows more than OS x and personally that kind of icons on windows just look absolutely gay to me (gay as in retardedly stupid kind of gay) I mean the crap looks like Microsoft is trying to make windows look like crap
stick with windows. you are the perfect windows user.
Where do you think they got Metro from?
Anyway, this is just pathetic copying. I always thought they copied a bit but since everyone calls them on it you'd think they would start to move away from it and try to be more original. This is even closer copying than ever before.
Seriously? I've had Mac's since 2002 and every version of OS X since then, multiple iPods, an iPhone and have seen a lot of iPads. But I really can remember seeing a black and white interface on any of them. When thing's are gray on an Apple product there always either a metal effect or some sort of gradient, not solid black. Apple's newest icons are also all square with rounded corners.
Where is it you think they got Metro from? I've seen the videos on the Metro design and how the inspiration came from public signs in places like airports and I can see how that's been translated onto a screen. What I can't see though is how Metro's black and white styling is anything like Apple's millions shades of gray.
i might've believed that if microsoft hadn't had a history of copying apple's creations
So what you're disbelieving the Zune ever existed?
Seriously? I've had Mac's since 2002 and every version of OS X since then, multiple iPods, an iPhone and have seen a lot of iPads. But I really can remember seeing a black and white interface on any of them. When thing's are gray on an Apple product there always either a metal effect or some sort of gradient, not solid black. Apple's newest icons are also all square with rounded corners.
Where is it you think they got Metro from? I've seen the videos on the Metro design and how the inspiration came from public signs in places like airports and I can see how that's been translated onto a screen. What I can't see though is how Metro's black and white styling is anything like Apple's millions shades of gray.
So what you're disbelieving the Zune ever existed?
i saw 1 once. rare. lol
Perhaps you are not aware of Dreamworks? It's full of Microosft money, and all it does is copy Disney/Pixar ideas and make them worse, rushing them to market in an attempt to kill the original. No creativity, no art, just an effort to make money churning out cheap crap.
Antz: Bugs Life as rotoscoped actors rather than real animated characters
Shark Tale: Finding Nemo as rotoscoped actors rather than real animated characters
Madagascar: Ripped off the entirety of Disney's The Wild
Monsters vs Aliens: Monsters Inc + aliens
Shrek, Chicken Run: spoofs of existing movies
The only really original work comes from acquisitions of preexisting talent that Dreamworks eventually destroyed, like the Aardman animation people.
Curious that Jobs owned Pixar and 18% of Dreamworks is owned by Microsoft director Paul Allen, Microsoft even created an interactive joint venture with Dreamworks. The company also backed HD-DVD with Microsoft, as opposed to the Disney led BluRay
Or as one cartoonist observed:
Note that Dreamworks has made more movies and more money, but its products are consistently ranked lower by critics and customers: http://www.metacritic.com/feature/pi...ion-comparison
Dude, I don't know why you're using this analogy. Dreamworks was funded by Paul Allen's money, but it has nothing to do with Bill Gates or Microsoft at all. Besides, I really like Dreamworks' movies. They are different and more mature than Pixar's movies. Your analogy is completely off-base!!!!
From the picture, you could see Apple's icons are gorgeous as hell. But DED, why the hell did you name it as Win8start.001.jpg? Do you really like Windows, or you want Windows to win in your subconscious mind? No matter how hard Windows imitates the Mac, the Mac icons are still far more elegant and gorgeous that whatever Microsoft puts out. That's Apple for u!!!
We don't want endless toolbars and buttons in candy-striped colours all clamouring for attention.
Monochrome is the way forward, let the content we are viewing take centre stage please.
When I'm working on a document, watching a movie, browsing the web I want the content to be the centre of my attention. The application interface should be subtle, unobtrusive and in the background. Monochrome interfaces with well designed icons are the future.
We don't want endless toolbars and buttons in candy-striped colours all clamouring for attention.
Monochrome is the way forward, let the content we are viewing take centre stage please.
Some people call Lion too bland but I like it. Can be pleasing to tinker around with, and quite smooth when being productive (you know, actually doing stuff instead of dealing with Office and Windows crashing or lagging).
Arguably the flattening out has gone too far in lion. I can hardly tell which buttons are active anymore. Prime example, the back button in safari. The difference in contrast is so subtle as to be basically useless. Even Apples own HIG stated colour to be useful, right?
I love the new swipe gestures that take the place of 'Back' and 'Forward' arrows!
'you can't polish a turd'
Actually, you can: http://youtu.be/yiJ9fy1qSFI
Back on Topic: High Contrast isn't something apple "Invented" and it DOES NOT MATTER who the first person to bring it to computers was. Seriously, it doesn't.
This "OMG everyone is copying apple" shtick is about as annoying as people who scream "First!" after a post on a real news site. Apple adopts ideas from others, others adopt ideas from Apple. That's how technology, art, fashion, HUMAN PROGRESS works. If you think apple's never adopted an idea from other company, you're fooling yourself. This DOESN'T make them any less innovative, or lower the quality of their products AT ALL. That's just how the world works.
I love the new swipe gestures that take the place of 'Back' and 'Forward' arrows!
I was going to mention that. I understand djsherly's point but I think Apple's reasoning is so move toward natural swipe gestures over virtual buttons for the future. Who knows, maybe for Mac OS XI we'll lose half the virtual buttons we see because Apple will expect that gestures are commonplace enough. They certainly are faster than moving the pointer around the screen.
Second, why does DED continuously make comments on how well the 'legacy' interface will work with touch?
I grew up understanding gay to mean happy and joyful but I appreciate it has changed meaning these days. However, I fail to be able to discover any reference to your interpretation of the word anywhere. Here is the Wikipedia link. Perhaps your understanding of English is on par with that of your ability to critique an OS? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay
Uhm... the word has been used that way since at least the 80's. Perhaps you should look beyond Wikipedia and get out into the real world.
I was going to mention that. I understand djsherly's point but I think Apple's reasoning is so move toward natural swipe gestures over virtual buttons for the future. Who knows, maybe for Mac OS XI we'll lose half the virtual buttons we see because Apple will expect that gestures are commonplace enough. They certainly are faster than moving the pointer around the screen.
God forbid both be an option.
I like to lay back in my chair and click buttons. how would that be possible on a solely gesture run device?
One has to wonder what kind of mind can be ok with logic like this!
Windows 8 design to radically depart from Mac OS X Lion
Monday, August 29, 2011
By Daniel Eran Dilger
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Windows 8 appears to adopt Mac OS X Lion's monochrome, iPad-like icons
Wednesday, August 31, 2011
By Daniel Eran Dilger