Now, that's just your attempt to belittle results. See why I didn't want to use the survey?
The great part of today's smartphones is that apps cost so little, or are free. That means I have apps that I only need once in a while. But I didn't have to pay $20 so I don't care. I just spent $2.99 for a hurricane tracker app that the National Weather Service put out with a developer. Will I use this all the time? Well, no. But there are times, like recently, where it's a very useful app. So I may only use it 15 days a year. I have apps I just use once every two months or so, and some that I only use twice a year when I go to London.
Do these not matter? And you can be sure that out of all the apps available, at least as many for Android are poorly written, or just not useful, so the percentage would stay the same, or even be an advantage to iOS, as reviewers all have said that apps in general, are of better quality in the AppStore.
Far from belittling the results, I was noting that the two surveys were intended to report on different elements, and that paired with the Nielsen results would indicate a high number of apps that were not found worthwhile keeping by iOS owners.
Yes, I totally agree that everyone probably keeps apps installed that are rarely used, and that doesn't necessarily make them useless. What does that have to do with survey results that showed iOS and Android owners use their apps roughly the same amount of time on average, which would argue against your claim that Android folk don't use apps?
So they created an international incident to cover for poor results. . .
Strange Mel, very strange if you truly believe that's a realistic scenario
You either are, or are acting very obtuse. I already stated that the Chinese were giving them problems. You should reread that post. You are the one saying they created an international incident. Why do your arguments always come down to double talk in the end?
I said that Google used it as an excuse, not that they created it. Don't make arguments up for other people. Use their own.
You either are, or are acting very obtuse. I already stated that the Chinese were giving them problems. You should reread that post. You are the one saying they created an international incident. Why do your arguments always come down to double talk in the end?
I said that Google used it as an excuse, not that they created it. Don't make arguments up for other people. Use their own.
Obtuse? Yet still no answer whether you think it's a likely scenario, or one that just can't be disproved and thus makes great FUD. I really can't tell what your argument is.
Except you have no method to determine the average number of apps that a user has on his/her phone, nor how often they use them.
Numbers of apps sold has nothing to do with number of apps kept and used, so your numbers based on the number of phones sold compared to the number of app downloaded, allowing for devices no longer in use, and subtracting for "other" app markets, then. . .
Well you get the idea. Your number would tell us nothing concerning the claim you made that Android owners don't use apps. It's only intended for confusion.
The surveys tell us little, because most people don't delete apps they no longer use. The simplest thing, though it's hard for you to understand, is to see how many phones there are, and how many apps were downloaded. That gives you a true average. Anything else is just either conjecture, surveys that usually vary between companies, and who they happen to get, whether people are being truthful, etc.
I know you don't like the numbers, but they are there. There are, going by download rates, close to 20 billion apps downloaded by iOS users, and close to 6 billion by Android users, say, since I want to be nice, 8 billion. The difference in time is negligible, as both stores took time to build up.
I know you don't like looking at those numbers, but they are real. So is the number of phones sold. Everything else is so so.
Far from belittling the results, I was noting that the two surveys were intended to report on different elements, and that paired with the Nielsen results would indicate a high number of apps that were not found worthwhile keeping by iOS owners.
Yes, I totally agree that everyone probably keeps apps installed that are rarely used, and that doesn't necessarily make them useless. What does that have to do with survey results that showed iOS and Android owners use their apps roughly the same amount of time on average, which would argue against your claim that Android folk don't use apps?
Muddy waters again. . .
What was being said is that Android users have fewer apps. So the one they have they use as much. Good. They still use apps less often.
Obtuse? Yet still no answer whether you think it's a likely scenario, or one that just can't be disproved and thus makes great FUD. I really can't tell what your argument is.
I said it's very possible. Can anyone prove it? Well, those who made the decision can. Will they? It's not likely until someone retires years down the road and writes a book.
The surveys tell us little, because most people don't delete apps they no longer use. The simplest thing, though it's hard for you to understand, is to see how many phones there are, and how many apps were downloaded. That gives you a true average. Anything else is just either conjecture, surveys that usually vary between companies, and who they happen to get, whether people are being truthful, etc.
I know you don't like the numbers, but they are there. There are, going by download rates, close to 20 billion apps downloaded BT iOs users, and close to 6 billion by Android users, say, since I want to be nice, 8 billion. The difference in time is negligible, as both stores too time to build up.
I know you don't like looking at hose numbers, but they are real. So is the number of phones sold. Everything else is so so.
You're still moving the goalposts Mel, now needing us to accept your vague claim that unused or undesired apps don't get uninstalled. That's the only way your incomplete "numbers" have any possible relevance. If iPhone's had unlimited storage, you might even sneak that one past unnoticed. But they don't. I believe owners do dumps apps they don't want. By necessity in some cases, "just because" in others.
The Nielsen survey answers give us much more information about how owners actually use apps than any raw numbers of downloads.
I said it's very possible. Can anyone prove it? Well, those who made the decision can. Will they? It's not likely until someone retires years down the road and writes a book.
\ I don't blame you for not giving a simple answer, An affirmative one would make you sound silly, searching for more tin-foil, and a negative would require some backtracking. That leaves "possible" as your best answer I suppose.
\ I don't blame you for not giving a simple answer, An affirmative one would make you sound silly, searching for more tin-foil, and a negative would require some backtracking. That leaves "possible" as your best answer I suppose.
At least I now understand the real-world use of "obtuse".
I have been watching this conversation, but not participating....
Just what answer do you seek...
There are several sources of unreliable, or unknowable numbers -- you pick the ones you trust, and I'll pick mine!
We have 6 iPads and 5 iPhones in a household of 5"
We have 686 apps, plus a few I wrote -- and some lites replaced with full versions. We have deleted about 100 apps.
I, as a single user have downloaded, say, 786 apps.
But that is spread among 5 users and 11 devices.
How do you count that?
Why, when you don't get an answer that meets your experience or agenda -- do you revert to an ad hom?
You're still moving the goalposts Mel, now needing us to accept your vague claim that unused or undesired apps don't get uninstalled. That's the only way your incomplete "numbers" have any possible relevance. If iPhone's had unlimited storage, you might even sneak that one past unnoticed. But they don't. I believe owners do dumps apps they don't want. By necessity in some cases, "just because" in others.
The Nielsen survey answers give us much more information about how owners actually use apps than any raw numbers of downloads.
No, it's all because you refuse to use real numbers.
\ I don't blame you for not giving a simple answer, An affirmative one would make you sound silly, searching for more tin-foil, and a negative would require some backtracking. That leaves "possible" as your best answer I suppose.
At least I now understand the real-world use of "obtuse".
You never present a useful argument. I haven't seen one yet. So why should I expect anything better here? You expect someone to be a fly on a wall for your purpose? It's really difficult being reasonable around you. You know very well that no one can say for certain what happened. I can only give my feeling that it's possible. If it could be proven, it would be a major scandal. I say it's very likely. That the best any reasonable person can be. But you're not reasonable, are you?
No matter what I said, you would find some lame reason why it was bad, so I'm dropping the silly discussion.
Dick, it would have been such a simple matter for Mel to say"Gosh, I didn't realize that iOS and Apple owners both use their apps a similar amount of time. Guess I was wrong" instead of clinging to a claim that Android users don't use apps. It would have saved a dozen posts.
I'm not looking for any numbers. To the contrary I supplied some that Mel was slow to acknowledge. Yes there's lots of numbers floating round. The only ones that were important to the particular claim were those that showed Android app use.
And no I was not attacking Mel the person. It was Mel's insistence on using every trick he could think of to change or deflect the argument, avoiding any indication that his opinion might be wrong. Probably a nice guy, smart, but playing the "obtuse" card for some reason. Your view of the word as a personal attack on him does give me pause, and I'll remove that particular sentence. My apologies. We should never let our discussions here turn personal.
Having said that, when I'm given valid info that doesn't mesh with what I thought was true I don't generally continue on the same flawed path. I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong, and I feel it's best to do early on. There are others here quite adverse to admitting errors, which is why they often come out on the losing end of some discussions.
Dick, it would have been such a simple matter for Mel to say"Gosh, I didn't realize that iOS and Apple owners both use their apps a similar amount of time. Guess I was wrong" instead of clinging to a claim that Android users don't use apps. It would have saved a dozen posts.
I'm not looking for any numbers. To the contrary I supplied some that Mel was slow to acknowledge. Yes there's lots of numbers floating round. The only ones that were important to the particular claim were those that showed Android app use.
And no I was not attacking Mel the person. It was Mel's insistence on using every trick he could think of to change or deflect the argument, avoiding any indication that his opinion might be wrong. Probably a nice guy, smart, but playing the "obtuse" card for some reason. Your view of the word as a personal attack on him does give me pause, and I'll remove that particular sentence. My apologies. We should never let our discussions here turn personal.
Having said that, when I'm given valid info that doesn't mesh with what I thought was true I don't generally continue on the same flawed path. I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong, and I feel it's best to do early on. There are others here quite adverse to admitting errors, which is why they often come out on the losing end of some discussions.
But there are no valid number of apps per user or device -- even if Apple and Google provided accurate numbers of devices and app purchases. Apple's numbers appear to more verifible -- but that is only a single metric.
Anecdotally, my 13-year-old grandson has spent $7 each on the last 3 programs he bought (I bought through my ID). The 11-year-old has averaged $3.50 on his last 3 purchases. The 16-year-0ld... Maybe $2 -- other interests
I average around $10 -- as much as $200 for Proloquo2go.
We all use Pages, iMovie and GarageBand, Keynote & Numbers to some extent. -- but only when needed.
What does that tell us... I have no idea.
Those are my, skewed, numbers... About as meaningful as anyone elses!
Dick, it would have been such a simple matter for Mel to say"Gosh, I didn't realize that iOS and Apple owners both use their apps a similar amount of time. Guess I was wrong" instead of clinging to a claim that Android users don't use apps. It would have saved a dozen posts.
I'm not looking for any numbers. To the contrary I supplied some that Mel was slow to acknowledge. Yes there's lots of numbers floating round. The only ones that were important to the particular claim were those that showed Android app use.
And no I was not attacking Mel the person. It was Mel's insistence on using every trick he could think of to change or deflect the argument, avoiding any indication that his opinion might be wrong. Probably a nice guy, smart, but playing the "obtuse" card for some reason. Your view of the word as a personal attack on him does give me pause, and I'll remove that particular sentence. My apologies. We should never let our discussions here turn personal.
Having said that, when I'm given valid info that doesn't mesh with what I thought was true I don't generally continue on the same flawed path. I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong, and I feel it's best to do early on. There are others here quite adverse to admitting errors, which is why they often come out on the losing end of some discussions.
But you always insist you're right when you're wrong. It's simple. If both users use an app for the same amount of time, and one user has more apps, then they use apps more. I didn't say Android users NEVER use apps. Now, you're making the statement I did. You're making an argument that I never made - again.
I don't deflect anything. You demand an impossible answer in order to try to set people up. When they don't respond in the way you want, you make even more incredible comments in order to attempt them to do so. You do it with me, and I'm very patient with you. Too patient.
But there are no valid number of apps per user or device -- even if Apple and Google provided accurate numbers of devices and app purchases. Apple's numbers appear to more verifible -- but that is only a single metric.
Anecdotally, my 13-year-old grandson has spent $7 each on the last 3 programs he bought (I bought through my ID). The 11-year-old has averaged $3.50 on his last 3 purchases. The 16-year-0ld... Maybe $2 -- other interests
I average around $10 -- as much as $200 for Proloquo2go.
We all use Pages, iMovie and GarageBand, Keynote & Numbers to some extent. -- but only when needed.
What does that tell us... I have no idea.
Those are my, skewed, numbers... About as meaningful as anyone elses!
And this is why I've been insisting that we use the number of apps downloaded divided by the number of phones out there. It at least gives us some numbers that exist. But he doesn't want that, because it comes out in favor of what I've been saying, so no go for him.
And this is why I've been insisting that we use the number of apps downloaded divided by the number of phones out there. It at least gives us some numbers that exist. But he doesn't want that, because it comes out in favor of what I've been saying, so no go for him.
Well... here's a simple solution:
Just divide the total number of app downloads by the total number of device "activations"
...oh, I forgot, this month has an "Я" in it...
As to the accuracy of "surveys"....
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How many apps have you installed on your phone?
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Do people of above-average intelligence install more apps on their phones?
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Simply reversing the order of the questions will give you a different number!
But you always insist you're right when you're wrong. It's simple. If both users use an app for the same amount of time, and one user has more apps, then they use apps more. I didn't say Android users NEVER use apps. Now, you're making the statement I did. You're making an argument that I never made - again.
I don't deflect anything. You demand an impossible answer in order to try to set people up. When they don't respond in the way you want, you make even more incredible comments in order to attempt them to do so. You do it with me, and I'm very patient with you. Too patient.
He's a professional, he does this for a living. He isn't here to have an honest discussion, he's here to disrupt discussions, spread misinformation, deny the truth, and make a buck while he does so.
He's a professional, he does this for a living. He isn't here to have an honest discussion, he's here to disrupt discussions, spread misinformation, deny the truth, and make a buck while he does so.
You are probably right!
I've noticed that 2 or 3 people will sometimes descend on a thread, stir up a controversy, pass the "ball" around adding weight to their common opinion or agenda...
Most people realize when they are being patronized or abused in this way, and ignore or talk past the abusers...
He's a professional, he does this for a living. He isn't here to have an honest discussion, he's here to disrupt discussions, spread misinformation, deny the truth, and make a buck while he does so.
I won't go so far as to say he is a paid poster but I did find it telling that he stated that the apps in the app store had no categories which is patently false and shows the he possibly has never used an idevice to any real extent.
I won't go so far as to say he is a paid poster but I did find it telling that he stated that the apps in the app store had no categories which is patently false and shows the he possibly has never used an idevice to any real extent.
I didn't intend to say no categories, rather not as categorized. And true, we have only one iDevice in the household, which isn't used nearly as often as it once was. Thanks for catching that misstatement Freckledbruh, and I'll take time to brush up on recent iTunes changes.
EDIT: BTW, I just finished a read on a Swiftkey commissioned survey. As expected keyboards and users opinions on them on mobile devices was a primary thrust of the study. Apple users are the most satisfied with their stock keyboards while Android users were predictably the least enamored with them.
As well, there's a lot of other good tidbits in there.
How do people use their phones – not just (or even primarily) for making calls
80% make a voice call at least once a day – 94% email at least once a day, 91% browse the web at least once a day, 86% send SMS at least once a day
Less than half play games at least once a day
OEMs always advertise their camera but only about a third of users take photos every day
Top “how important is this feature?” is email followed by web browsing and apps – voice calls come 4th
If you rank not just by “essential” but by “essential or quite important” voice calls come 5th, GPS/maps takes the 4th place
Only 21% say that games are an essential feature on a smartphone
Apple/Android users have similar number of free apps but Apple users have more paid apps
Apple users spend the most per month on their phones – 29% spend over $100/month
Only 3% of Apple users have never paid for an app – compared to 12% of Android users (4x as many) and 26% of Blackberry users (9x as many)
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Now, that's just your attempt to belittle results. See why I didn't want to use the survey?
The great part of today's smartphones is that apps cost so little, or are free. That means I have apps that I only need once in a while. But I didn't have to pay $20 so I don't care. I just spent $2.99 for a hurricane tracker app that the National Weather Service put out with a developer. Will I use this all the time? Well, no. But there are times, like recently, where it's a very useful app. So I may only use it 15 days a year. I have apps I just use once every two months or so, and some that I only use twice a year when I go to London.
Do these not matter? And you can be sure that out of all the apps available, at least as many for Android are poorly written, or just not useful, so the percentage would stay the same, or even be an advantage to iOS, as reviewers all have said that apps in general, are of better quality in the AppStore.
Far from belittling the results, I was noting that the two surveys were intended to report on different elements, and that paired with the Nielsen results would indicate a high number of apps that were not found worthwhile keeping by iOS owners.
Yes, I totally agree that everyone probably keeps apps installed that are rarely used, and that doesn't necessarily make them useless. What does that have to do with survey results that showed iOS and Android owners use their apps roughly the same amount of time on average, which would argue against your claim that Android folk don't use apps?
Muddy waters again. . .
So they created an international incident to cover for poor results. . .
Strange Mel, very strange if you truly believe that's a realistic scenario
You either are, or are acting very obtuse. I already stated that the Chinese were giving them problems. You should reread that post. You are the one saying they created an international incident. Why do your arguments always come down to double talk in the end?
I said that Google used it as an excuse, not that they created it. Don't make arguments up for other people. Use their own.
You either are, or are acting very obtuse. I already stated that the Chinese were giving them problems. You should reread that post. You are the one saying they created an international incident. Why do your arguments always come down to double talk in the end?
I said that Google used it as an excuse, not that they created it. Don't make arguments up for other people. Use their own.
Obtuse? Yet still no answer whether you think it's a likely scenario, or one that just can't be disproved and thus makes great FUD. I really can't tell what your argument is.
Except you have no method to determine the average number of apps that a user has on his/her phone, nor how often they use them.
Numbers of apps sold has nothing to do with number of apps kept and used, so your numbers based on the number of phones sold compared to the number of app downloaded, allowing for devices no longer in use, and subtracting for "other" app markets, then. . .
Well you get the idea. Your number would tell us nothing concerning the claim you made that Android owners don't use apps. It's only intended for confusion.
The surveys tell us little, because most people don't delete apps they no longer use. The simplest thing, though it's hard for you to understand, is to see how many phones there are, and how many apps were downloaded. That gives you a true average. Anything else is just either conjecture, surveys that usually vary between companies, and who they happen to get, whether people are being truthful, etc.
I know you don't like the numbers, but they are there. There are, going by download rates, close to 20 billion apps downloaded by iOS users, and close to 6 billion by Android users, say, since I want to be nice, 8 billion. The difference in time is negligible, as both stores took time to build up.
I know you don't like looking at those numbers, but they are real. So is the number of phones sold. Everything else is so so.
Far from belittling the results, I was noting that the two surveys were intended to report on different elements, and that paired with the Nielsen results would indicate a high number of apps that were not found worthwhile keeping by iOS owners.
Yes, I totally agree that everyone probably keeps apps installed that are rarely used, and that doesn't necessarily make them useless. What does that have to do with survey results that showed iOS and Android owners use their apps roughly the same amount of time on average, which would argue against your claim that Android folk don't use apps?
Muddy waters again. . .
What was being said is that Android users have fewer apps. So the one they have they use as much. Good. They still use apps less often.
Obtuse? Yet still no answer whether you think it's a likely scenario, or one that just can't be disproved and thus makes great FUD. I really can't tell what your argument is.
I said it's very possible. Can anyone prove it? Well, those who made the decision can. Will they? It's not likely until someone retires years down the road and writes a book.
The surveys tell us little, because most people don't delete apps they no longer use. The simplest thing, though it's hard for you to understand, is to see how many phones there are, and how many apps were downloaded. That gives you a true average. Anything else is just either conjecture, surveys that usually vary between companies, and who they happen to get, whether people are being truthful, etc.
I know you don't like the numbers, but they are there. There are, going by download rates, close to 20 billion apps downloaded BT iOs users, and close to 6 billion by Android users, say, since I want to be nice, 8 billion. The difference in time is negligible, as both stores too time to build up.
I know you don't like looking at hose numbers, but they are real. So is the number of phones sold. Everything else is so so.
You're still moving the goalposts Mel, now needing us to accept your vague claim that unused or undesired apps don't get uninstalled. That's the only way your incomplete "numbers" have any possible relevance. If iPhone's had unlimited storage, you might even sneak that one past unnoticed. But they don't. I believe owners do dumps apps they don't want. By necessity in some cases, "just because" in others.
The Nielsen survey answers give us much more information about how owners actually use apps than any raw numbers of downloads.
I said it's very possible. Can anyone prove it? Well, those who made the decision can. Will they? It's not likely until someone retires years down the road and writes a book.
At least I now understand the real-world use of "obtuse".
I have been watching this conversation, but not participating....
Just what answer do you seek...
There are several sources of unreliable, or unknowable numbers -- you pick the ones you trust, and I'll pick mine!
We have 6 iPads and 5 iPhones in a household of 5"
We have 686 apps, plus a few I wrote -- and some lites replaced with full versions. We have deleted about 100 apps.
I, as a single user have downloaded, say, 786 apps.
But that is spread among 5 users and 11 devices.
How do you count that?
Why, when you don't get an answer that meets your experience or agenda -- do you revert to an ad hom?
You're still moving the goalposts Mel, now needing us to accept your vague claim that unused or undesired apps don't get uninstalled. That's the only way your incomplete "numbers" have any possible relevance. If iPhone's had unlimited storage, you might even sneak that one past unnoticed. But they don't. I believe owners do dumps apps they don't want. By necessity in some cases, "just because" in others.
The Nielsen survey answers give us much more information about how owners actually use apps than any raw numbers of downloads.
No, it's all because you refuse to use real numbers.
At least I now understand the real-world use of "obtuse".
You never present a useful argument. I haven't seen one yet. So why should I expect anything better here? You expect someone to be a fly on a wall for your purpose? It's really difficult being reasonable around you. You know very well that no one can say for certain what happened. I can only give my feeling that it's possible. If it could be proven, it would be a major scandal. I say it's very likely. That the best any reasonable person can be. But you're not reasonable, are you?
No matter what I said, you would find some lame reason why it was bad, so I'm dropping the silly discussion.
I'm not looking for any numbers. To the contrary I supplied some that Mel was slow to acknowledge. Yes there's lots of numbers floating round. The only ones that were important to the particular claim were those that showed Android app use.
And no I was not attacking Mel the person. It was Mel's insistence on using every trick he could think of to change or deflect the argument, avoiding any indication that his opinion might be wrong. Probably a nice guy, smart, but playing the "obtuse" card for some reason. Your view of the word as a personal attack on him does give me pause, and I'll remove that particular sentence. My apologies. We should never let our discussions here turn personal.
Having said that, when I'm given valid info that doesn't mesh with what I thought was true I don't generally continue on the same flawed path. I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong, and I feel it's best to do early on. There are others here quite adverse to admitting errors, which is why they often come out on the losing end of some discussions.
Dick, it would have been such a simple matter for Mel to say"Gosh, I didn't realize that iOS and Apple owners both use their apps a similar amount of time. Guess I was wrong" instead of clinging to a claim that Android users don't use apps. It would have saved a dozen posts.
I'm not looking for any numbers. To the contrary I supplied some that Mel was slow to acknowledge. Yes there's lots of numbers floating round. The only ones that were important to the particular claim were those that showed Android app use.
And no I was not attacking Mel the person. It was Mel's insistence on using every trick he could think of to change or deflect the argument, avoiding any indication that his opinion might be wrong. Probably a nice guy, smart, but playing the "obtuse" card for some reason. Your view of the word as a personal attack on him does give me pause, and I'll remove that particular sentence. My apologies. We should never let our discussions here turn personal.
Having said that, when I'm given valid info that doesn't mesh with what I thought was true I don't generally continue on the same flawed path. I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong, and I feel it's best to do early on. There are others here quite adverse to admitting errors, which is why they often come out on the losing end of some discussions.
But there are no valid number of apps per user or device -- even if Apple and Google provided accurate numbers of devices and app purchases. Apple's numbers appear to more verifible -- but that is only a single metric.
Anecdotally, my 13-year-old grandson has spent $7 each on the last 3 programs he bought (I bought through my ID). The 11-year-old has averaged $3.50 on his last 3 purchases. The 16-year-0ld... Maybe $2 -- other interests
I average around $10 -- as much as $200 for Proloquo2go.
We all use Pages, iMovie and GarageBand, Keynote & Numbers to some extent. -- but only when needed.
What does that tell us... I have no idea.
Those are my, skewed, numbers... About as meaningful as anyone elses!
Dick, it would have been such a simple matter for Mel to say"Gosh, I didn't realize that iOS and Apple owners both use their apps a similar amount of time. Guess I was wrong" instead of clinging to a claim that Android users don't use apps. It would have saved a dozen posts.
I'm not looking for any numbers. To the contrary I supplied some that Mel was slow to acknowledge. Yes there's lots of numbers floating round. The only ones that were important to the particular claim were those that showed Android app use.
And no I was not attacking Mel the person. It was Mel's insistence on using every trick he could think of to change or deflect the argument, avoiding any indication that his opinion might be wrong. Probably a nice guy, smart, but playing the "obtuse" card for some reason. Your view of the word as a personal attack on him does give me pause, and I'll remove that particular sentence. My apologies. We should never let our discussions here turn personal.
Having said that, when I'm given valid info that doesn't mesh with what I thought was true I don't generally continue on the same flawed path. I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong, and I feel it's best to do early on. There are others here quite adverse to admitting errors, which is why they often come out on the losing end of some discussions.
But you always insist you're right when you're wrong. It's simple. If both users use an app for the same amount of time, and one user has more apps, then they use apps more. I didn't say Android users NEVER use apps. Now, you're making the statement I did. You're making an argument that I never made - again.
I don't deflect anything. You demand an impossible answer in order to try to set people up. When they don't respond in the way you want, you make even more incredible comments in order to attempt them to do so. You do it with me, and I'm very patient with you. Too patient.
But there are no valid number of apps per user or device -- even if Apple and Google provided accurate numbers of devices and app purchases. Apple's numbers appear to more verifible -- but that is only a single metric.
Anecdotally, my 13-year-old grandson has spent $7 each on the last 3 programs he bought (I bought through my ID). The 11-year-old has averaged $3.50 on his last 3 purchases. The 16-year-0ld... Maybe $2 -- other interests
I average around $10 -- as much as $200 for Proloquo2go.
We all use Pages, iMovie and GarageBand, Keynote & Numbers to some extent. -- but only when needed.
What does that tell us... I have no idea.
Those are my, skewed, numbers... About as meaningful as anyone elses!
And this is why I've been insisting that we use the number of apps downloaded divided by the number of phones out there. It at least gives us some numbers that exist. But he doesn't want that, because it comes out in favor of what I've been saying, so no go for him.
And this is why I've been insisting that we use the number of apps downloaded divided by the number of phones out there. It at least gives us some numbers that exist. But he doesn't want that, because it comes out in favor of what I've been saying, so no go for him.
Well... here's a simple solution:
Just divide the total number of app downloads by the total number of device "activations"
...oh, I forgot, this month has an "Я" in it...
As to the accuracy of "surveys"....
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How many apps have you installed on your phone?
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Do people of above-average intelligence install more apps on their phones?
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Simply reversing the order of the questions will give you a different number!
But you always insist you're right when you're wrong. It's simple. If both users use an app for the same amount of time, and one user has more apps, then they use apps more. I didn't say Android users NEVER use apps. Now, you're making the statement I did. You're making an argument that I never made - again.
I don't deflect anything. You demand an impossible answer in order to try to set people up. When they don't respond in the way you want, you make even more incredible comments in order to attempt them to do so. You do it with me, and I'm very patient with you. Too patient.
He's a professional, he does this for a living. He isn't here to have an honest discussion, he's here to disrupt discussions, spread misinformation, deny the truth, and make a buck while he does so.
He's a professional, he does this for a living. He isn't here to have an honest discussion, he's here to disrupt discussions, spread misinformation, deny the truth, and make a buck while he does so.
You are probably right!
I've noticed that 2 or 3 people will sometimes descend on a thread, stir up a controversy, pass the "ball" around adding weight to their common opinion or agenda...
Most people realize when they are being patronized or abused in this way, and ignore or talk past the abusers...
But, it becomes tedious after a while.
He's a professional, he does this for a living. He isn't here to have an honest discussion, he's here to disrupt discussions, spread misinformation, deny the truth, and make a buck while he does so.
I won't go so far as to say he is a paid poster but I did find it telling that he stated that the apps in the app store had no categories which is patently false and shows the he possibly has never used an idevice to any real extent.
I won't go so far as to say he is a paid poster but I did find it telling that he stated that the apps in the app store had no categories which is patently false and shows the he possibly has never used an idevice to any real extent.
I didn't intend to say no categories, rather not as categorized. And true, we have only one iDevice in the household, which isn't used nearly as often as it once was. Thanks for catching that misstatement Freckledbruh, and I'll take time to brush up on recent iTunes changes.
EDIT: BTW, I just finished a read on a Swiftkey commissioned survey. As expected keyboards and users opinions on them on mobile devices was a primary thrust of the study. Apple users are the most satisfied with their stock keyboards while Android users were predictably the least enamored with them.
As well, there's a lot of other good tidbits in there.
How do people use their phones – not just (or even primarily) for making calls
80% make a voice call at least once a day – 94% email at least once a day, 91% browse the web at least once a day, 86% send SMS at least once a day
Less than half play games at least once a day
OEMs always advertise their camera but only about a third of users take photos every day
Top “how important is this feature?” is email followed by web browsing and apps – voice calls come 4th
If you rank not just by “essential” but by “essential or quite important” voice calls come 5th, GPS/maps takes the 4th place
Only 21% say that games are an essential feature on a smartphone
Apple/Android users have similar number of free apps but Apple users have more paid apps
Apple users spend the most per month on their phones – 29% spend over $100/month
Only 3% of Apple users have never paid for an app – compared to 12% of Android users (4x as many) and 26% of Blackberry users (9x as many)
http://www.swiftkey.net/what-do-smar...rs-really-want