Microsoft to jettison Adobe Flash with 'plug-in free' browsing in Windows 8 Metro IE10

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  • Reply 21 of 119
    MS dropping Flash is no surprise, considering they showed off their IDE and IE running HTML5 over a year ago.



    What I find curious, is why does everyone (here at least) assume that Apple (or MS for that matter) makes their decisions based a whim, fancy, personal dislike of a company... or just plain "from the seat of their pants".



    Apple/MS have reverse engineered Adobe's Flash, had access to it and the open source parts of it for years. The engineers responsible reported back to the Steve's, "this isn't ever going to work as it is. Adobe will have to rewrite it from the ground up, or create a converter".



    Both Steve's reply, "OK. We'll wait for one or the other, but that crash-prone dung-heap of inefficient and insecure legacy code will never be put on any of our mobile devices... write the press release".



    That's it. No guessing. No personal vendettas to avenge. Just plain simple reaction to facts in front of their eyes.



    That Adobe doesn't want to acknowledge, address, or accept those facts without spouting BS and vitriol, is biz as usual. However... I guess they "finally" got it... considering the server tool converter and that other lab project they're working on, Edge.



    One has to wonder why it had to come down to a mud-match first.
  • Reply 22 of 119
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nkalu View Post


    And they said Apple's Steve Jobs was wrong...when he jettisoned Flash..?

    Just like they said he was wrong about tablet form factor.



    Just because it doesn't come preinstalled doesn't mean it's unsupported. It'll be a plugin just like it is for Firefox, Opera, Safari, etc. HTML5 doesn't hold a candle to the capabilities of Flash.
  • Reply 23 of 119
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jeffreytgilbert View Post


    Just because it doesn't come preinstalled doesn't mean it's unsupported. It'll be a plugin just like it is for Firefox, Opera, Safari, etc. HTML5 doesn't hold a candle to the capabilities of Flash.



    Well, you need to read the news article properly. IE Metro will not support plugins (which means it does not support flash). It is not about being pre-installed or not. It is not possible to install the flash plugin an IE Metro. Regarding the capabilities of Flash, well website developers need to stop using those "capabilities" then, since we the consumers are not going to use Flash!! Simple!!
  • Reply 24 of 119
    adybadyb Posts: 205member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    What major and relevant sites are these that don't support modern codecs in HTML5 or native APIs?



    The only one that I find to be a nuisance is BBC.co.uk - the football (soccer) highlights are not shown via their iphone/ipad app and are flash only on the normal web page.
  • Reply 25 of 119
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Digital_Guy View Post


    Wow .. seriously. Does M$ really, really need to copy almost everything that Apple does?



    Better learn a different technology other than Flash.
  • Reply 26 of 119
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member
    That's hilarious. So MS is dumping flash now? Sometimes I see morons defending Flash and bashing Apple for not having Flash on their iOS devices and I wonder what kind of morons actually need flash in 2011?



    (1) Morons who just love advertising so much that they will miss a million different blinking banners when they visit certain sites.



    (2) People with such low standards and bad taste that they must rely on crappy quality flash run video sites on the web to watch tv series and porn.



    (3) People who like to play silly Flash games on the web.



    I'm glad to say that none of the above applies to me. I don't like pushy advertising, I only like to watch very high quality videos and if I'm first going to play a game, it's not going to be a dumb Flash game on the web made for 5 year olds.
  • Reply 27 of 119
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AdyB View Post


    The only one that I find to be a nuisance is BBC.co.uk - the football (soccer) highlights are not shown via their iphone/ipad app and are flash only on the normal web page.



    If you have ios device then you must have ESPN Goals, they show them on Saturday eves and real time on Sundays. Excellent little app (UK based).
  • Reply 28 of 119
    and you have to pay for this new "patch"



    which is the microsoft way.



    im looking forward to windows 7, cause no matter what you say, vista sucks overall i havent seen a computer yet that hasnt had any problems with it.
  • Reply 29 of 119
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Digital_Guy View Post


    Wow .. seriously. Does M$ really, really need to copy almost everything that Apple does?



    LOL.. the trolls are out early today.. oh wait. I forgot. It's AI... the home of the troll.
  • Reply 30 of 119
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Apple ][ View Post


    That's hilarious. So MS is dumping flash now? Sometimes I see morons defending Flash and bashing Apple for not having Flash on their iOS devices and I wonder what kind of morons actually need flash in 2011?



    (1) Morons who just love advertising so much that they will miss a million different blinking banners when they visit certain sites.



    (2) People with such low standards and bad taste that they must rely on crappy quality flash run video sites on the web to watch tv series and porn.



    (3) People who like to play silly Flash games on the web.



    I'm glad to say that none of the above applies to me. I don't like pushy advertising, I only like to watch very high quality videos and if I'm first going to play a game, it's not going to be a dumb Flash game on the web made for 5 year olds.



    To be fair, I don't think "making blinking ads in HTML5" is rocket science... But at least they'll have to learn a new technology if they want to continue annoying us





    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BrealpaceVers View Post


    [...]im looking forward to windows 7, cause no matter what you say, vista sucks overall i havent seen a computer yet that hasnt had any problems with it.



    That must be rhetoric, since I don't think anybody will defend Vista at this point.
  • Reply 31 of 119
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Apple ][ View Post


    That's hilarious. So MS is dumping flash now? Sometimes I see morons defending Flash and bashing Apple for not having Flash on their iOS devices and I wonder what kind of morons actually need flash in 2011?



    (1) Morons who just love advertising so much that they will miss a million different blinking banners when they visit certain sites.



    (2) People with such low standards and bad taste that they must rely on crappy quality flash run video sites on the web to watch tv series and porn.



    (3) People who like to play silly Flash games on the web.



    I'm glad to say that none of the above applies to me. I don't like pushy advertising, I only like to watch very high quality videos and if I'm first going to play a game, it's not going to be a dumb Flash game on the web made for 5 year olds.



    Those Flash games will be replaced with WebGL/WebCL sooner rather than later. ImgTec is bringing OpenRL to Khronos which will make games even more interesting from the Embedded space to the Desktop.



    OpenRL is:



    http://imgtec.com/News/Release/index.asp?NewsID=639



    Quote:

    Vancouver, Canada, 9 August 2011: Imagination Technologies, a leading multimedia and communications technologies company, is showing with partners the first examples of a growing portfolio of solutions based on the new Brazil? 3.0 beta interactive ray tracing renderer, built using Imagination?s ground-breaking Caustic ray tracing technologies including the OpenRL? API, at SIGGRAPH 2011 in Vancouver Canada (Booth 129, August 9-11).



    Imagination is demonstrating the beta version of its powerful new rendering engine, called Brazil 3.0, to address the next generation of high quality fully interactive ray traced rendering across a broad range of markets from CAD and industrial design through to gaming and cinematic quality content creation. Brazil 3.0 embraces the features and capabilities of a world class renderer, but introduces fully dynamic geometry support enabling full rendering and manipulation of ray traced rendered objects on the fly.



    Brazil 3.0 is a completely new renderer implementation, designed from the ground up for real-time, interactive high quality visualization. Thanks to the speed of Brazil 3.0, users can now edit everything in a scene on the fly ? including geometry, lights, materials and shaders - enabling truly interactive real-time high quality ray tracing-based visualization.



    Brazil 3.0 is built using OpenRL, Imagination?s ray tracing API that it intends to promote as an open industry standard. OpenRL is designed to work on any graphics hardware, including Imagination?s forthcoming Caustic Professional ray-tracing board level solutions.



  • Reply 32 of 119
    tipootipoo Posts: 1,140member
    So if you really need Flash on a tablet, you can use any of Windows standard browsers by going back to Explorer? Fair enough, I guess.
  • Reply 33 of 119
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    What major and relevant sites are these that don't support modern codecs in HTML5 or native APIs?



    The two that annoy me the most would be Engadget and BBC Radio 1. Plus whenever your following a link to a video on a blog or other smaller site, 30 - 40% of the time there in flash.
  • Reply 34 of 119
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post


    Those Flash games will be replaced with WebGL/WebCL sooner rather than later. ImgTec is bringing OpenRL to Khronos which will make games even more interesting from the Embedded space to the Desktop.



    OpenRL is:



    http://imgtec.com/News/Release/index.asp?NewsID=639



    So that day has come... incredible. Still remember using POV-Ray 3.x in 1998!!
  • Reply 35 of 119
    tbelltbell Posts: 3,146member
    That is what I am doing. I use Bing. Occasionally, I will switch to Google search, but Bing has greatly improved. Moreover, it gives you points you can trade in for things like X-Box points.





    When iCloud is released, GMail will be relegated to junk mail. I suspect Gmail will take a big hit as it benefited greatly from Apple makings its once free email paid.





    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jason98 View Post


    Time to switch Google search to Bing and Gmail to me.com?

    I think it is.



  • Reply 36 of 119
    tbelltbell Posts: 3,146member
    The big porn sites have iOS specific sites that load, which by default replaces the flash video with higher quality HTML video.



    Try it out. youporn is my favorite site.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by 'Apple


    (2) People with such low standards and bad taste that they must rely on crappy quality flash run video sites on the web to watch tv series and porn.



  • Reply 37 of 119
    tbelltbell Posts: 3,146member
    Most website I have encountered use Flash as the default, but have HTML as a back up for Mobile devices.



    Moreover, Microsoft is essentially facilitating the adoption of HTML by making this announcement. Hold out website developers will start saying, hey if we want Mobile users to see these sites, we better start using HTML 5.



    Apple has already made huge inroads here, but with Microsoft saying the same thing, the message becomes even more clear.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by timgriff84 View Post


    But the point is that the content is in flash not html5.



  • Reply 38 of 119
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TBell View Post


    That is what I am doing. I use Bing. Occasionally, I will switch to Google search, but Bing has greatly improved. Moreover, it gives you points you can trade in for things like X-Box points.





    When iCloud is released, GMail will be relegated to junk mail. I suspect Gmail will take a big hit as it benefited greatly from Apple makings its once free email paid.



    GMail's security features (specifically their two step mobile authentication) are second to none. Unless Apple can match this, I won't even bother trying MobileMe or iCloud.



    Apple needs to learn that it is no longer sufficient to protect something as important as an email account with only a password.
  • Reply 39 of 119
    Uh-Oh!
  • Reply 40 of 119
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,508member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    In this case, yes. It's almost the end of 2011 and Adobe still hasn't gotten Flash to be a decent plug-in for consumers. For developers, that's another story, but for consumers it's still a resource hogging, crash-prone disaster.



    I was going to give him the same answer, even to the same wording in the first sentence!
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