There is no need to release a new iPad, it already runs the current A5 chip, all Apple need to do is refresh the iPhone, iPod Touch and Apple TV so that they all run the same hardware (probably keep the Apple TV as is).
The iPad 2 is already head and shoulders above the competition leaving Apple to focus on the A6 based products without having to spend any time/money refreshing the iPad at this point. They are already behind with the iPhone update this year and the iPhone sales haven't even dipped.
I disagree. If Apple could put out a retina display iPad that had the same (or most likely better is what it would shoot for) battery life, it would release it close to its release cycle regardless of competition for bragging rights alone.
Sometimes I wonder if it's really battery life or component costs that drive their design decisions....
Let's face it. Apple only has to be marginally better than the competition. And their fans will snap up their products. Who in this crowd for example would seriously consider anything but an iPhone, even though by all (non-AI) accounts there are highly competitive alternatives? Kudos to them for building such a loyal fanbase. That alone must be the envy of every tech and non-tech company out there. But that does create a strong temptation to slack off when you know that people will buy your products because, well it's an iPad/iPhone/iPod/etc.
The stuff Microsoft have been showing for Windows 8 on tablets is seriously impressive. They may of course fail to sell just as the also excellent Windows Phone has, but we shall see. Either way it will hopefully force Apple to finally innovate in the tablet space, instead of continuing to rely on an oversized iPod Touch.
you should give windows 8 a whirl, its woeful using it with a mouse but looks like it will be ok on a tablet.
Do you have a reference for that, and could you clarify what you mean, especially since Sinofsky appears to have confirmed that legacy apps won't run on ARM tablets and computers?
You are doing pretty well on your own and I encourage you to keep thinking critically about it.
For example, you have more specifically said "legacy". Now what does that mean? Of course it includes apps compiled in languages like C++ that are directly compiled to x86 code. But now let's consider "existing" and "legacy" .net apps. Are there any more "types" of legacy apps? What kind of apps would continue working that are not Legacy apps? Silverlight apps perhaps? Let's think about it. Maybe we can come up with more.
Additionally, the poster implied that Windows 8 would only work on Tablets with ARM processors. Now we all know Microsoft and Intel have always had this stupid and crazy idea that tablets could run on an Intel platform. And Microsoft also stated there is no reason to stop going down this crazy and pointless path.
When Microsoft's Internet Explorer was the overwhelming market leader, Microsoft sat on its laurels and didn't improve IE for a long while. IE and its users suffered.
Is Apple going to let the iPad atrophy just because it has no competition, or will Apple continue to provide improvements to its customers?
This is a stupid comparison. Apple is nothing like Micro$oft, and you know it. I fully agree with this article's premise. Apple should not rush out an iPad 3 just for sake of "staying current" when it's so far ahead anyway. I'm personally going to wait for iPad 3 before buying one anyway. Don't care how long that is.
I could never understand why people would think Apple would change their product release plans to an earlier schedule, especially considering the total lack of competition.
Rushing a product out the door just to get one out there has not been a good strategy for other companies.
iPadX still has to stay on top.
When to refresh isn't 100% down to Apple's progress in innovation, but to tie in with progress that is being made with components. e.g Apple uses it's own 'custom' chips, but this is really adaption of available technology. Once quad-core ARMs are available, and within power requirements, Apple will want to make sure its iPad is not too long in being refreshed to take advantage of them.
The stuff Microsoft have been showing for Windows 8 on tablets is seriously impressive. They may of course fail to sell just as the also excellent Windows Phone has, but we shall see. Either way it will hopefully force Apple to finally innovate in the tablet space, instead of continuing to rely on an oversized iPod Touch.
It's an oversized iPod Touch to you, but to many of us, it is an indispensable tool with quite a bit of versatility, owing to the ingenuity and determination of both Apple and it's developers.
My doctor has my entire cancer history on a server that can be accessed on iPad, CT scans and all. He shows me and reviews with his interns all the relevant info I need to know.
Now, ask yourself, could I really see all that on an iPod Touch? Sure, if I get my glasses and we all crowd around the tiny device.
Think big kotatsu. Get out of the box once in awhile. You might like what you see.
REALLY? You are going to pull the fan comment out? Dude, that hardware is not the final hardware by any means. It was merely run on the Samsung(?) tablets as an early developer demo. Did you even read the Windows 8 articles or are you just trying to spread FUD? The final product will run on a low-powered ARM processor....no fan, no heat.
This reply perfectly sets up microsoft's problem. You can tell us what it will be when it comes out, but you don't actually know. The entire tablet is in "windows vista" state right now, by which i mean the specs, changes, capabilities, and processes are all subject to change. Could the majority be on ARM and could ARM be plenty fast enough and could the heat be a non-issue? Yeah, could be. Could they fail to make the transition, have difficulty with cpus, decide to try to make legacy apps run on these things, have a huge customer backlash and end up selling 4 inch thick touchscreen laptops? Yeah, they could.
In fact they are still leaving that open in the market speak. The final product is still largely unknown, just like vista kept changing from month to month until it became the train wreck it was.
I like the metro UI, and i think MS has their first viable product since 3.1 and their first original product ever. I am looking forward to it. If it works. History says there is at least an even chance it will be delayed 2-3 years and be 5 years behind both OS X and linux when it finally arrives.
Call it FUD if you want, but history shows that the sun tends to rise in the east at my house, and MS tends to over promise and under deliver.
When Microsoft's Internet Explorer was the overwhelming market leader, Microsoft sat on its laurels and didn't improve IE for a long while. IE and its users suffered.
Is Apple going to let the iPad atrophy just because it has no competition, or will Apple continue to provide improvements to its customers?
The "no rush" comment was just someone's opinion. In reality Apple is always moving full speed. They only delay things if the product is not yet meeting their high standards.
When Microsoft's Internet Explorer was the overwhelming market leader, Microsoft sat on its laurels and didn't improve IE for a long while. IE and its users suffered.
Is Apple going to let the iPad atrophy just because it has no competition, or will Apple continue to provide improvements to its customers?
users suffered from day one when MS forced that turd called IE on users. failing of the legal system to force its removal the moment MS baked it in.
I have never seen a tablet in the wild other than iPads. I picture warehouses and back rooms with stacks of unsold non-iPads gathering dust like the crates at the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark.
Sometimes I wonder if it's really battery life or component costs that drive their design decisions....
Let's face it. Apple only has to be marginally better than the competition. And their fans will snap up their products.
Whether that's true or not, it's irrelevant.
The success of the iPod, iPad and iPhone came not from Apple selling to their fans, but from convincing people who were not already Apple customers to buy. The overwhelming success of these products has been because Apple convinced people who were not "Apple fans" to buy. And that requires more than 'marginally better' - especially given all the endless anti-Apple FUD coming from people like you.
Furthermore, it's silly to say that Apple doesn't need to improve even if you ignore that factor. Apple wants to sell more products. Even if their only market were people who were already Apple fans, the faster Apple improves the product, the sooner the 'fans' will replace their older version. Apple has plenty of incentive to improve.
In fact, since Apple is so far ahead of the competition at this point, the latter is arguably more important. Their need to get existing customers to upgrade is probably more of a driver than their need to beat the competition. So Apple has plenty of incentive to improve - even without real competition.
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I have never seen a tablet in the wild other than iPads. I picture warehouses and back rooms with stacks of unsold non-iPads gathering dust like the crates at the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark.
Certainly. Best Buy reportedly sold something like 20,000 TouchPads out of the 300,000+ that had been shipped to them. They were certainly sitting around a lot of warehouses - until HP sold them off at a loss.
Interestingly, that's one of the most interesting dynamics as HP looks for someone to buy WebOS. Given how many Touchpads were sold last month, WebOS may well be the #2 tablet OS in terms of installed base. That gives developers a strong incentive to support it - if someone were to buy the OS and continue to develop it.
You are doing pretty well on your own and I encourage you to keep thinking critically about it.
For example, you have more specifically said "legacy". Now what does that mean? Of course it includes apps compiled in languages like C++ that are directly compiled to x86 code. But now let's consider "existing" and "legacy" .net apps. Are there any more "types" of legacy apps? What kind of apps would continue working that are not Legacy apps? Silverlight apps perhaps? Let's think about it. Maybe we can come up with more.
Additionally, the poster implied that Windows 8 would only work on Tablets with ARM processors. Now we all know Microsoft and Intel have always had this stupid and crazy idea that tablets could run on an Intel platform. And Microsoft also stated there is no reason to stop going down this crazy and pointless path.
The original post that you replied to was
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Microsoft has already said Windows 8 tablets will be Arm and that current software will not run on Windows 8 tablets..
to which you replied
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Originally Posted by Jacksons
So many inaccuracies in so few words...
So, by "so many inaccuracies", you meant (1) MS will produce Intel-based tablets (2) these will run all existing software and (3) there are other classes of code that will run on ARM devices? Am I still doing OK on my own, or do I need help now?
But Apple should be in no rush to grow the iPad lineup, in Moskowitz's view, as competitors like Motorola and Research in Motion have disappointed with their own competing offerings.
There is no reason for Apple to release a new and improved iPad 3 at this point. They are still selling lots of iPad 2s.
They will make more money by waiting. Lots of current iPad 2 customers will buy the 3 as soon as it comes out. There will be less of those who buy both the 2 and the 3 if they release it now.
Apple wants only to maximize total profits. Giving customers the benefit of better machines don't really figure into it. Apple will make more more money by waiting, and that is all that really matters.
...or will Apple continue to provide improvements to its customers?
Apple most certainly WILL provide improvements to its customers.
They will do it if, as and when providing improvements to its customers will net the company more total profit, compared with waiting longer. You'll see. Don't give up hope!
I disagree. If Apple could put out a retina display iPad that had the same (or most likely better is what it would shoot for) battery life, it would release it close to its release cycle regardless of competition for bragging rights alone.
Certain Apple customers might care about "bragging rights", but Apple doesn't.
Apple cares about profit. If ever Apple does anything that you don't understand, then try this explanation: "Apple is a huge multinational corporation, and they think that doing this will maximize profits, compared to the alternatives."
It works every time. It is the basis of each and every decision Apple makes.
The "no rush" comment was just someone's opinion. In reality Apple is always moving full speed. They only delay things if the product is not yet meeting their high standards.
What if they could make less profit by releasing it now, and more profit by releasing it later? Would they choose to "move full speed" for less profit, or "delay" for more profit?
What if they could make less profit by releasing it now, and more profit by releasing it later? Would they choose to "move full speed" for less profit, or "delay" for more profit?
Come back when you have a real situation instead of hypotheticals.
For the past 10 years, Apple has been driving relentlessly to improve its products - even when there's no real competition. Your suggestion that they're going to stop doing that now is completely unsubstantiated and doesn't match their recent history.
Come back when you have a real situation instead of hypotheticals.
For the past 10 years, Apple has been driving relentlessly to improve its products - even when there's no real competition. Your suggestion that they're going to stop doing that now is completely unsubstantiated and doesn't match their recent history.
You have no information upon which to to base your viewpoint.
I am operating from the premise that Apple seeks to maximize total profit. If you think otherwise, I believe that you are incorrect.
Apple really needs to hurry up and release a new model w/ retina this year, just like all those retarded rumors started by clueless people were saying, otherwise, Apple is in deep shit.
With such super strong contenders from the copytition, like the HP DeathPad, the Rim WackBook and banned Samsung tablets, Apple can't really afford to be sitting on their asses, letting the copytition gain an upper hand. If Apple doesn't do anything, RIM might sell another 83 Playbooks next month, and that would be disastrous.
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The iPad 2 is already head and shoulders above the competition leaving Apple to focus on the A6 based products without having to spend any time/money refreshing the iPad at this point. They are already behind with the iPhone update this year and the iPhone sales haven't even dipped.
I disagree. If Apple could put out a retina display iPad that had the same (or most likely better is what it would shoot for) battery life, it would release it close to its release cycle regardless of competition for bragging rights alone.
Sometimes I wonder if it's really battery life or component costs that drive their design decisions....
Let's face it. Apple only has to be marginally better than the competition. And their fans will snap up their products. Who in this crowd for example would seriously consider anything but an iPhone, even though by all (non-AI) accounts there are highly competitive alternatives? Kudos to them for building such a loyal fanbase. That alone must be the envy of every tech and non-tech company out there. But that does create a strong temptation to slack off when you know that people will buy your products because, well it's an iPad/iPhone/iPod/etc.
The stuff Microsoft have been showing for Windows 8 on tablets is seriously impressive. They may of course fail to sell just as the also excellent Windows Phone has, but we shall see. Either way it will hopefully force Apple to finally innovate in the tablet space, instead of continuing to rely on an oversized iPod Touch.
you should give windows 8 a whirl, its woeful using it with a mouse but looks like it will be ok on a tablet.
Do you have a reference for that, and could you clarify what you mean, especially since Sinofsky appears to have confirmed that legacy apps won't run on ARM tablets and computers?
You are doing pretty well on your own and I encourage you to keep thinking critically about it.
For example, you have more specifically said "legacy". Now what does that mean? Of course it includes apps compiled in languages like C++ that are directly compiled to x86 code. But now let's consider "existing" and "legacy" .net apps. Are there any more "types" of legacy apps? What kind of apps would continue working that are not Legacy apps? Silverlight apps perhaps? Let's think about it. Maybe we can come up with more.
Additionally, the poster implied that Windows 8 would only work on Tablets with ARM processors. Now we all know Microsoft and Intel have always had this stupid and crazy idea that tablets could run on an Intel platform. And Microsoft also stated there is no reason to stop going down this crazy and pointless path.
When Microsoft's Internet Explorer was the overwhelming market leader, Microsoft sat on its laurels and didn't improve IE for a long while. IE and its users suffered.
Is Apple going to let the iPad atrophy just because it has no competition, or will Apple continue to provide improvements to its customers?
This is a stupid comparison. Apple is nothing like Micro$oft, and you know it. I fully agree with this article's premise. Apple should not rush out an iPad 3 just for sake of "staying current" when it's so far ahead anyway. I'm personally going to wait for iPad 3 before buying one anyway. Don't care how long that is.
I could never understand why people would think Apple would change their product release plans to an earlier schedule, especially considering the total lack of competition.
Rushing a product out the door just to get one out there has not been a good strategy for other companies.
iPadX still has to stay on top.
When to refresh isn't 100% down to Apple's progress in innovation, but to tie in with progress that is being made with components. e.g Apple uses it's own 'custom' chips, but this is really adaption of available technology. Once quad-core ARMs are available, and within power requirements, Apple will want to make sure its iPad is not too long in being refreshed to take advantage of them.
The stuff Microsoft have been showing for Windows 8 on tablets is seriously impressive. They may of course fail to sell just as the also excellent Windows Phone has, but we shall see. Either way it will hopefully force Apple to finally innovate in the tablet space, instead of continuing to rely on an oversized iPod Touch.
It's an oversized iPod Touch to you, but to many of us, it is an indispensable tool with quite a bit of versatility, owing to the ingenuity and determination of both Apple and it's developers.
My doctor has my entire cancer history on a server that can be accessed on iPad, CT scans and all. He shows me and reviews with his interns all the relevant info I need to know.
Now, ask yourself, could I really see all that on an iPod Touch? Sure, if I get my glasses and we all crowd around the tiny device.
Think big kotatsu. Get out of the box once in awhile. You might like what you see.
REALLY? You are going to pull the fan comment out? Dude, that hardware is not the final hardware by any means. It was merely run on the Samsung(?) tablets as an early developer demo. Did you even read the Windows 8 articles or are you just trying to spread FUD? The final product will run on a low-powered ARM processor....no fan, no heat.
This reply perfectly sets up microsoft's problem. You can tell us what it will be when it comes out, but you don't actually know. The entire tablet is in "windows vista" state right now, by which i mean the specs, changes, capabilities, and processes are all subject to change. Could the majority be on ARM and could ARM be plenty fast enough and could the heat be a non-issue? Yeah, could be. Could they fail to make the transition, have difficulty with cpus, decide to try to make legacy apps run on these things, have a huge customer backlash and end up selling 4 inch thick touchscreen laptops? Yeah, they could.
In fact they are still leaving that open in the market speak. The final product is still largely unknown, just like vista kept changing from month to month until it became the train wreck it was.
I like the metro UI, and i think MS has their first viable product since 3.1 and their first original product ever. I am looking forward to it. If it works. History says there is at least an even chance it will be delayed 2-3 years and be 5 years behind both OS X and linux when it finally arrives.
Call it FUD if you want, but history shows that the sun tends to rise in the east at my house, and MS tends to over promise and under deliver.
When Microsoft's Internet Explorer was the overwhelming market leader, Microsoft sat on its laurels and didn't improve IE for a long while. IE and its users suffered.
Is Apple going to let the iPad atrophy just because it has no competition, or will Apple continue to provide improvements to its customers?
The "no rush" comment was just someone's opinion. In reality Apple is always moving full speed. They only delay things if the product is not yet meeting their high standards.
When Microsoft's Internet Explorer was the overwhelming market leader, Microsoft sat on its laurels and didn't improve IE for a long while. IE and its users suffered.
Is Apple going to let the iPad atrophy just because it has no competition, or will Apple continue to provide improvements to its customers?
users suffered from day one when MS forced that turd called IE on users. failing of the legal system to force its removal the moment MS baked it in.
Sometimes I wonder if it's really battery life or component costs that drive their design decisions....
Let's face it. Apple only has to be marginally better than the competition. And their fans will snap up their products.
Whether that's true or not, it's irrelevant.
The success of the iPod, iPad and iPhone came not from Apple selling to their fans, but from convincing people who were not already Apple customers to buy. The overwhelming success of these products has been because Apple convinced people who were not "Apple fans" to buy. And that requires more than 'marginally better' - especially given all the endless anti-Apple FUD coming from people like you.
Furthermore, it's silly to say that Apple doesn't need to improve even if you ignore that factor. Apple wants to sell more products. Even if their only market were people who were already Apple fans, the faster Apple improves the product, the sooner the 'fans' will replace their older version. Apple has plenty of incentive to improve.
In fact, since Apple is so far ahead of the competition at this point, the latter is arguably more important. Their need to get existing customers to upgrade is probably more of a driver than their need to beat the competition. So Apple has plenty of incentive to improve - even without real competition.
I have never seen a tablet in the wild other than iPads. I picture warehouses and back rooms with stacks of unsold non-iPads gathering dust like the crates at the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark.
Certainly. Best Buy reportedly sold something like 20,000 TouchPads out of the 300,000+ that had been shipped to them. They were certainly sitting around a lot of warehouses - until HP sold them off at a loss.
Interestingly, that's one of the most interesting dynamics as HP looks for someone to buy WebOS. Given how many Touchpads were sold last month, WebOS may well be the #2 tablet OS in terms of installed base. That gives developers a strong incentive to support it - if someone were to buy the OS and continue to develop it.
You are doing pretty well on your own and I encourage you to keep thinking critically about it.
For example, you have more specifically said "legacy". Now what does that mean? Of course it includes apps compiled in languages like C++ that are directly compiled to x86 code. But now let's consider "existing" and "legacy" .net apps. Are there any more "types" of legacy apps? What kind of apps would continue working that are not Legacy apps? Silverlight apps perhaps? Let's think about it. Maybe we can come up with more.
Additionally, the poster implied that Windows 8 would only work on Tablets with ARM processors. Now we all know Microsoft and Intel have always had this stupid and crazy idea that tablets could run on an Intel platform. And Microsoft also stated there is no reason to stop going down this crazy and pointless path.
The original post that you replied to was
Microsoft has already said Windows 8 tablets will be Arm and that current software will not run on Windows 8 tablets..
to which you replied
So many inaccuracies in so few words...
So, by "so many inaccuracies", you meant (1) MS will produce Intel-based tablets (2) these will run all existing software and (3) there are other classes of code that will run on ARM devices? Am I still doing OK on my own, or do I need help now?
But Apple should be in no rush to grow the iPad lineup, in Moskowitz's view, as competitors like Motorola and Research in Motion have disappointed with their own competing offerings.
There is no reason for Apple to release a new and improved iPad 3 at this point. They are still selling lots of iPad 2s.
They will make more money by waiting. Lots of current iPad 2 customers will buy the 3 as soon as it comes out. There will be less of those who buy both the 2 and the 3 if they release it now.
Apple wants only to maximize total profits. Giving customers the benefit of better machines don't really figure into it. Apple will make more more money by waiting, and that is all that really matters.
...or will Apple continue to provide improvements to its customers?
Apple most certainly WILL provide improvements to its customers.
They will do it if, as and when providing improvements to its customers will net the company more total profit, compared with waiting longer. You'll see. Don't give up hope!
I disagree. If Apple could put out a retina display iPad that had the same (or most likely better is what it would shoot for) battery life, it would release it close to its release cycle regardless of competition for bragging rights alone.
Certain Apple customers might care about "bragging rights", but Apple doesn't.
Apple cares about profit. If ever Apple does anything that you don't understand, then try this explanation: "Apple is a huge multinational corporation, and they think that doing this will maximize profits, compared to the alternatives."
It works every time. It is the basis of each and every decision Apple makes.
The "no rush" comment was just someone's opinion. In reality Apple is always moving full speed. They only delay things if the product is not yet meeting their high standards.
What if they could make less profit by releasing it now, and more profit by releasing it later? Would they choose to "move full speed" for less profit, or "delay" for more profit?
What if they could make less profit by releasing it now, and more profit by releasing it later? Would they choose to "move full speed" for less profit, or "delay" for more profit?
Come back when you have a real situation instead of hypotheticals.
For the past 10 years, Apple has been driving relentlessly to improve its products - even when there's no real competition. Your suggestion that they're going to stop doing that now is completely unsubstantiated and doesn't match their recent history.
Come back when you have a real situation instead of hypotheticals.
For the past 10 years, Apple has been driving relentlessly to improve its products - even when there's no real competition. Your suggestion that they're going to stop doing that now is completely unsubstantiated and doesn't match their recent history.
You have no information upon which to to base your viewpoint.
I am operating from the premise that Apple seeks to maximize total profit. If you think otherwise, I believe that you are incorrect.
With such super strong contenders from the copytition, like the HP DeathPad, the Rim WackBook and banned Samsung tablets, Apple can't really afford to be sitting on their asses, letting the copytition gain an upper hand. If Apple doesn't do anything, RIM might sell another 83 Playbooks next month, and that would be disastrous.