Doubts cast on success of Amazon tablet, Android Ice Cream Sandwich vs. iPad

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  • Reply 41 of 140
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    Originally Posted by muppetry View Post


    That was an interesting 2009 article, but it seemed to be just speculation based on the price reduction. It's hard to imagine why the iPhone would sell worse in Japan than elsewhere.



    Oh c'mon... you know Gatorguy is anti iOS. He'd never tell you the whole story.



    The iP4 is the top selling smartphone in Japan... and Softbank shares just slid over 10% on news that they would no longer be the sole carrier of the iPhone in Japan.



    ... and, yes, Android phones did surpass the iPhone in market share this past year. We'll see if that changes with iPhone 5. (iPhone took 38% of the Japanese market... one phone... 38%... impressive... and not slow selling by any means.)
  • Reply 42 of 140
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    Originally Posted by muppetry View Post


    That was an interesting 2009 article, but it seemed to be just speculation based on the price reduction. It's hard to imagine why the iPhone would sell worse in Japan than elsewhere.



    Here are some more recent numbers for Japan handset sales(between Jan-Mar 2011)

    http://m.techcrunch.com/2011/05/18/t...king-in-japan/



    1. iPhone 4(16GB)

    2. iPhone 4(32GB)

    3. Samsung Galaxy S

    4. Toshiba REGZA Phone T-01C

    5. Sharp IS03

    6. Sharp LYNX 3D SH-03C

    7. Toshiba IS04

    8. Panasonic P-07B

    9. Sony Ericsson Xperia arc SO-01C

    10. Kyocera Kantan Keitai K005
  • Reply 43 of 140
    Android trolls must be really desperate since they feel the need to compare one Apple phone against every single Android phone ever made, and the iPhone still kicks any Android phone's ass, being the most popular phone.



    The iPhone is like a luxury car and along comes a troll from Volkswagen, and their main talking point is to claim that every single Volkswagen car model sold more than that one particular luxury car. Well, congratufuckinglations!



    But when it comes to comparing iOS VS Android, suddenly they're scared shitless and don't want iPads included.



    Android users represent a microscopic and insignificant percentage of web users. Is it surprising that frugal people who end up with cheap Android phones don't actually use their phones much to actually browse the web?
  • Reply 44 of 140
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    Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post


    Actually there's been a few "free iPhone" deals with contract outside the US. IIRC there was one recently in North America as well. One of the higher profile examples is in Japan where the iPhone carrier has had an ongoing "free iPhone with contract" offer since back in 2009. Yet Android still manages to outsell the iPhone nearly 2:1 in Japan. I don't think it's all about the money all the time.



    http://techcrunch.com/2009/02/26/iph...able-for-free/

    http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/02/free-iphones-al/



    Ah, interesting. I thought that was something Apple put their foot down on, but I guess if they're getting paid either way they wouldn't mind.



    Also though, and more specifically to America, Android can be found on all carriers while iPhone on just two, with one only offering it for a year now.



    I just don't think you can compare the sales figures when the two things don't really compete on the same level, if that makes sense.
  • Reply 45 of 140
    Fact: No single Android phone outsells the iPhone



    Fact: All android phones are the market outsell the iPhone



    Fact: Android OS is more widespread than the iPhone OS



    Fact: Once again, no single android phone outsells the iPhone
  • Reply 46 of 140
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 23,301member
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    Originally Posted by island hermit View Post


    Oh c'mon... you know Gatorguy is anti iOS. He'd never tell you the whole story.



    The iP4 is the top selling smartphone in Japan... .



    But that's only because it's free. Everyone knows iPhone users are cheap and don't want to pay for anything.
  • Reply 47 of 140
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    Originally Posted by ConradJoe View Post


    That has already been said, many times, but I've never seen any real analysis done.



    Do you have any factual data to back up the assertion? I posted a cite which indicates that the best selling Android phones are the premium models, and not the free ones.



    Do you have any evidence that "the majority of Android handsets are free"?



    Speaking of Facts, do you have anything beyond a linked blog of some guys opinion?
  • Reply 48 of 140
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    Originally Posted by Quash View Post


    Fact: No single Android phone outsells the iPhone



    Fact: All android phones are the market outsell the iPhone



    Fact: Android OS is more widespread than the iPhone OS



    Fact: Once again, no single android phone outsells the iPhone



    Ok but if Apple made 10 different iphones, then that argument might make sense. They focus on one single device while Android sales are spread across other companies.



    This really is like comparing apples to oranges. In the end, both are doing well, and developers are writing apps for both just fine. This whole discussion seems to be wanting to figure out who's best based on sales figures, but that's impossible lol.



    Like imagine if I sold only chocolate icecream, and my competitor sold everything but chocolate. Everyone loves chocolate ice cream, but people want other options, so how can you say chocolate ice cream is best, or that the competitor's ice cream is best, based on how much is sold from either one of us?
  • Reply 49 of 140
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    Originally Posted by rasimo View Post


    Here are some more recent numbers for Japan handset sales(between Jan-Mar 2011)

    http://m.techcrunch.com/2011/05/18/t...king-in-japan/



    1. iPhone 4(16GB)

    2. iPhone 4(32GB)

    3. Samsung Galaxy S

    4. Toshiba REGZA Phone T-01C

    5. Sharp IS03

    6. Sharp LYNX 3D SH-03C

    7. Toshiba IS04

    8. Panasonic P-07B

    9. Sony Ericsson Xperia arc SO-01C

    10. Kyocera Kantan Keitai K005



    If this were the Olympics, Apple would win both the Gold and Silver, and then a fucking retarded Android troll would pop in and claim that having 5 or 6 phones in the top ten is actually better than being first.
  • Reply 50 of 140
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 23,301member
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    Originally Posted by InsideOut View Post


    Speaking of Facts, do you have anything beyond a linked blog of some guys opinion?



    To be fair there's a lot of things that pass for "facts" here. Linking to a source has been one accepted standard of proof, no matter the reliability of the source . . . or his sources. Even rumor is sometimes good enough.
  • Reply 51 of 140
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    Originally Posted by NotScott View Post


    So analysts should quit their jobs and become historians?



    Yes. If they are really good at their jobs, then they should be keeping their forecasts to themselves and use it to make a killing in the stock market. It defies logic that an accurate stock forecaster is publishing his/her predictions.



    I am not saying these so-called 'analysts' are totally useless. The reporting part of their job provides market-useful information to investors.
  • Reply 52 of 140
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    Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post


    But that's only because it's free. Everyone knows iPhone users are cheap and don't want to pay for anything.



    Does this look like free to you?



    http://mb.softbank.jp/mb/iphone_en/p...rd_price_plan/
  • Reply 53 of 140
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    Originally Posted by Apple ][ View Post


    Android trolls must be really desperate since they feel the need to compare one Apple phone against every single Android phone ever made, and the iPhone still kicks any Android phone's ass, being the most popular phone.



    The iPhone is like a luxury car and along comes a troll from Volkswagen, and their main talking point is to claim that every single Volkswagen car model sold more than that one particular luxury car. Well, congratufuckinglations!



    But when it comes to comparing iOS VS Android, suddenly they're scared shitless and don't want iPads included.



    Android users represent a microscopic and insignificant percentage of web users. Is it surprising that frugal people who end up with cheap Android phones don't actually use their phones much to actually browse the web?



    Jesus. You know, this discussion seemed to be completely cordial until you post this mindless bullshit.



    The iPhone is like the luxury car? LOL. Iphone is nice, but you make it seem as though it's meant only for the rich. It's a normal phone, and comparing the operating systems is fine, because guess what? Android DOES compare very well to iOS. It's called competition, and Google isn't some stupid back alley programmer that is just barely keeping up. Both companies continue to make strides, and now with Windows Phone Mango in the mix, saying iOS is the luxury model is just APPLE TROLLS convincing themselves their devices are this way and there's no need to ever consider anything else.



    You're literally no better than those you condemn.
  • Reply 54 of 140
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    Originally Posted by Apple ][ View Post


    If this were the Olympics, Apple would win both the Gold and Silver, and then a fucking retarded Android troll would pop in and claim that having 5 or 6 phones in the top ten is actually better than being first.



    They have trolls at the Olympics?



    I'd like to see that.



    Jamaica comes first in bobsledding, and then Haiti and the Dominican Republic come in second and third and try to claim that because they're on the same island it counts as a greater success than Jamaica's.
  • Reply 55 of 140
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    Originally Posted by Apple ][ View Post


    If this were the Olympics, Apple would win both the Gold and Silver, and then a fucking retarded Android troll would pop in and claim that having 5 or 6 phones in the top ten is actually better than being first.



    To an idiot, your comment makes sense. To a stock holder, they definitely won't mind taking up all the other spots.



    Again, Apple has ONE DEVICE. These other companies running Android aren't just competing with the iPhone, but with each other as well.



    This discussion is so absurdly stupid! These things can't be compared in a rational way because either side has their points that in their mind both make the comparison legitimate, and also make their side the winner.
  • Reply 56 of 140
    "....but deep down in places they don't talk about at parties, they know they really just bought a copy. "



    +1. for identifying a key distinction between the customer's user experience on the platforms.
  • Reply 57 of 140
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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


    They have trolls at the Olympics?



    I'd like to see that.



    Jamaica comes first in bobsledding, and then Haiti and the Dominican Republic come in second and third and try to claim that because they're on the same island it counts as a greater success than Jamaica's.



    Hell, if the island saw money from every person placed, that could be considered some sort of victory.



    Now back on topic: Imagine if Apple supported a few different iPhones. One with a keyboard, one with a bigger screen, one with a smaller square screen, one with an emphasis on games, one with an emphasis on business. They probably would take up more spots on that list. I imagine a lot of Android users went with Android simply because they didn't like the iPhone for simple reasons like this.
  • Reply 58 of 140
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 23,301member
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    Originally Posted by island hermit View Post


    Does this look like free to you?



    http://mb.softbank.jp/mb/iphone_en/p...rd_price_plan/



    This one? Yes it does.

    http://mb.softbank.jp/mb/iphone_en/p...value_program/
  • Reply 59 of 140
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    Originally Posted by Wovel View Post


    Android phones are not a single unit you might compare Android to iOS, but please find some actual numbers



    Android Is Destroying Everyone, Especially RIM -- iPhone Dead In Water



    http://www.businessinsider.com/andro...t-share-2011-4
  • Reply 60 of 140
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    Originally Posted by SailorPaul View Post


    "....but deep down in places they don't talk about at parties, they know they really just bought a copy. "



    +1. for identifying a key distinction between the customer's user experience on the platforms.



    My 4 inch screen is a copy? My dual core processor with hdmi out is a copy? My 1080p video recording is a copy?



    Wut?
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