2. Another example. Years ago Apple (an it fanboys) laughed at the idea of wireless syncing of the Zune and Zune HD to a computer. They went so far as to claim it would eat battery life, it was slower than a cable connection, yada yada. YET, now Apple is including (ie COPYING) this in iOS 5 claiming it to be WIZ-BANG wonderful.
Maybe « years » ago wifi were much slower and iOS won’t sync with a computer it will sync straight to the cloud. BTW did Zune did it or not?
So some of youz actually believe that there are many people buying Tabs and Xooms believing they are getting an iPad?
So these would be morons who cannot read the word "Samsung" (or Motorola) on the front of the Tab, or on the packaging?
In response,
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?people who buy the GT thinking that they are buying something the same as an iPad, that will run the same apps, have access to the App Store, and have the reputation of the iPad behind it?
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Except that Samsung is trying to pass its GT off in their ads as the same as an iPad... but better. No mention of Android.
Samsung does everything except put Apple's logo on their products.
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when a company is willing to say that their product is the same as another product... but better; then think about how it will be marketed at the retail level. Android does not have to be mentioned. The type of apps or the name of the app store does not have to be mentioned... "Wow... I just got a tablet that is better than the iPad! Shit! Why won't Apple let me log into their app store?!"
Really no big deal. We just disagree on whether anyone has ever mistaken the purchase of a Galaxy Tab as the purchase of an Apple iPad.
Do you even realize how many people don't know that there are two major computer operating systems? How many people think that all you do is buy a box and then put either Windows or Mac in it? How many that think that Mac is part of the Windows operating system? How many people think that Windows is part of the Mac operating system? How many people don't even know what an operating system is?
People rely on ads and salespeople. Oh... and they are all honest... especially when the products that they sell are made by honest manufacturers.
The old saying... if it sounds like a duck... etc. ... btw... that was Samsung's business model for the GT.
If you ask a slightly different question - are there people who buy the GT thinking that they are buying something the same as an iPad, that will run the same apps, have access to the App Store, and have the reputation of the iPad behind it, then the answer may well be yes. There is certainly anecdotal evidence to support that point of view.
Can you cite any of the anecdotal evidence? I've heard the allegation by forum posters, but you are the first to cite evidence.
The argument was that Samsung was intentionally ticking Apple off in order to drive them away. That would be an incredibly stupid business move.
Now, it IS possible that Samsung doesn't make enough on Apple's products to justify keeping them as a customer. And it's even remotely possible that Samsung could make up for that business elsewhere (although not very likely). But even if that were true, Samsung would simply raise their price to Apple next time around or tell Apple that they're not going to bid on the next round of chips. It makes no sense to alienate someone who's buying $8 B worth of product from you.
It makes perfect sense if that somebody pays you not enough to be worth your while. And you have no facts other than "Apple places big orders, and in general, big orders are good".
I'm saying that nobody here is in any position to make firm conclusions on this topic.
It makes perfect sense if that somebody pays you not enough to be worth your while. And you have no facts other than "Apple places big orders, and in general, big orders are good".
I'm saying that nobody here is in any position to make firm conclusions on this topic.
A business may not take an order because the margin may not be high enough... but to say that they piss all over the buyer to negate the deal rather than just turn it down... well... what can I say other than that's the strangest business plan that I've ever encountered.
If we didn't want an order sometimes we'd just bid high... oddly enough. sometimes we still got the business.
I allege that the moon is made of green cheese. Seemingly, you claim that there is now evidence that the moon is made of green cheese.
I disagree.
Please... look up the meaning of anecdotal evidence and then get back to me.
Here... I'll help you out a little.
I went to the moon and I saw that parts of it were made of green cheese. Seemingly, you claim that there is now anecdotal evidence that the moon is made of green cheese.
For your analogy to work, the Galaxy Tab has to resemble the iPad so much that customers cannot distinguish them. Even Apple is not arguing that. Rolex fakes, on the other hand, are made to look identical the genuine article.
Samsung mgmt were idiots. They used icons that looked the same as Apple's. If average joe had a passing understanding of the look of the iPhone, the Samsung phone would have been confusing....I think it was the Samesung Fascinate that was so very close that I burst out laughing.
Change the idiots. Make something semi-different...
Please... look up the meaning of anecdotal evidence and then get back to me.
Here... I'll help you out a little.
I went to the moon and I saw that parts of it were made of green cheese. Seemingly, you claim that there is now anecdotal evidence that the moon is made of green cheese.
Comprende, amigo?
Nobody here has any evidence, anecdotal or not, that consumers are mistaking the Galaxy tab for iPads. They merely allege that it may be happening. Allegations are not evidence.
Sorry. When I saw somebody claim to have evidence, I believed him. I thought he'd cite an article about, say, Best Buy getting excessive returns, and reporting that many (Some? One?) customers claimed that they were fooled. But no.
Nothing. No evidence whatsoever. Not anecdotal, not scientific, not polls, not focus groups. Nothing except "I imagine that it might be happening".
Nobody here has any evidence, anecdotal or not, that consumers are mistaking the Galaxy tab for iPads. They merely allege that it may be happening. Allegations are not evidence.
Sorry. When I saw somebody claim to have evidence, I believed him. I thought he'd cite an article about, say, Best Buy getting excessive returns, and reporting that many (Some? One?) customers claimed that they were fooled. But no.
Nothing. No evidence whatsoever. Not anecdotal, not scientific, not polls, not focus groups. Nothing except "I imagine that it might be happening".
Got it. Sorry. My mistake.
[on edit: I did have a young sales gal try to sell me the original GT saying that it was the same thing as the iPad (1) but that it could play flash... so that does play into what we are trying to say... but that was almost a year ago and a different product than the one I am discussing]
We know you made a reference to Christ in metaphor. The reason this metaphor irks people is that most Christians, including myself, view the self-sacrifice of Jesus as most revered event in history. So to compare such a frivolous issue as this feud between apple and samsung does touch our nerves.
Your childish belief in an invisible non-existent man in the sky shouldn't be a relevant issue in his choice of metaphors.
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2. Another example. Years ago Apple (an it fanboys) laughed at the idea of wireless syncing of the Zune and Zune HD to a computer. They went so far as to claim it would eat battery life, it was slower than a cable connection, yada yada. YET, now Apple is including (ie COPYING) this in iOS 5 claiming it to be WIZ-BANG wonderful.
Maybe « years » ago wifi were much slower and iOS won’t sync with a computer it will sync straight to the cloud. BTW did Zune did it or not?
For someone that has never had a consumer mistake one product for another... well, that's all the evidence that I needed.
You mean like buying Chocolate instead of Chocolate Mint ice cream?
Geez. . .
"Gosh honey, I thought I was buying you a Lexus not a Hyundai"
You mean like buying Chocolate instead of Chocolate Mint ice cream?
Geez. . .
"Gosh honey, I thought I was buying you a Lexus not a Hyundai"
Now you're getting silly...
So some of youz actually believe that there are many people buying Tabs and Xooms believing they are getting an iPad?
So these would be morons who cannot read the word "Samsung" (or Motorola) on the front of the Tab, or on the packaging?
In response,
?people who buy the GT thinking that they are buying something the same as an iPad, that will run the same apps, have access to the App Store, and have the reputation of the iPad behind it?
Except that Samsung is trying to pass its GT off in their ads as the same as an iPad... but better. No mention of Android.
Samsung does everything except put Apple's logo on their products.
when a company is willing to say that their product is the same as another product... but better; then think about how it will be marketed at the retail level. Android does not have to be mentioned. The type of apps or the name of the app store does not have to be mentioned... "Wow... I just got a tablet that is better than the iPad! Shit! Why won't Apple let me log into their app store?!"
Now you're getting silly...
Exactly.
Really no big deal. We just disagree on whether anyone has ever mistaken the purchase of a Galaxy Tab as the purchase of an Apple iPad.
I mean seriously, name one thing that Samsung has invented that never existed before.
Samsung cited four patents in today's new lawsuits. ISTM that they claim that those inventions never existed before.
Exactly.
Really no big deal. We just disagree on whether anyone has ever mistaken the purchase of a Galaxy Tab as the purchase of an Apple iPad.
Do you even realize how many people don't know that there are two major computer operating systems? How many people think that all you do is buy a box and then put either Windows or Mac in it? How many that think that Mac is part of the Windows operating system? How many people think that Windows is part of the Mac operating system? How many people don't even know what an operating system is?
People rely on ads and salespeople. Oh... and they are all honest... especially when the products that they sell are made by honest manufacturers.
The old saying... if it sounds like a duck... etc. ... btw... that was Samsung's business model for the GT.
If you ask a slightly different question - are there people who buy the GT thinking that they are buying something the same as an iPad, that will run the same apps, have access to the App Store, and have the reputation of the iPad behind it, then the answer may well be yes. There is certainly anecdotal evidence to support that point of view.
Can you cite any of the anecdotal evidence? I've heard the allegation by forum posters, but you are the first to cite evidence.
Not even Apple has made that claim.
Can you cite any of the anecdotal evidence? I've heard the allegation by forum posters, but you are the first to cite evidence.
Not even Apple has made that claim.
Anecdotal evidence and allegations by forum posters are the same thing. Just trying to help out.
Can you cite any of the anecdotal evidence? I've heard the allegation by forum posters, but you are the first to cite evidence.
Not even Apple has made that claim.
Want me to go downtown with a video camera, hold up a Samsung tablet, and ask people what they think it is?
That's nonsense.
The argument was that Samsung was intentionally ticking Apple off in order to drive them away. That would be an incredibly stupid business move.
Now, it IS possible that Samsung doesn't make enough on Apple's products to justify keeping them as a customer. And it's even remotely possible that Samsung could make up for that business elsewhere (although not very likely). But even if that were true, Samsung would simply raise their price to Apple next time around or tell Apple that they're not going to bid on the next round of chips. It makes no sense to alienate someone who's buying $8 B worth of product from you.
It makes perfect sense if that somebody pays you not enough to be worth your while. And you have no facts other than "Apple places big orders, and in general, big orders are good".
I'm saying that nobody here is in any position to make firm conclusions on this topic.
It makes perfect sense if that somebody pays you not enough to be worth your while. And you have no facts other than "Apple places big orders, and in general, big orders are good".
I'm saying that nobody here is in any position to make firm conclusions on this topic.
A business may not take an order because the margin may not be high enough... but to say that they piss all over the buyer to negate the deal rather than just turn it down... well... what can I say other than that's the strangest business plan that I've ever encountered.
If we didn't want an order sometimes we'd just bid high... oddly enough. sometimes we still got the business.
Anecdotal evidence and allegations by forum posters are the same thing. Just trying to help out.
I allege that the moon is made of green cheese. Seemingly, you claim that there is now evidence that the moon is made of green cheese.
I disagree.
I allege that the moon is made of green cheese. Seemingly, you claim that there is now evidence that the moon is made of green cheese.
I disagree.
Please... look up the meaning of anecdotal evidence and then get back to me.
Here... I'll help you out a little.
I went to the moon and I saw that parts of it were made of green cheese. Seemingly, you claim that there is now anecdotal evidence that the moon is made of green cheese.
Comprende, amigo?
For your analogy to work, the Galaxy Tab has to resemble the iPad so much that customers cannot distinguish them. Even Apple is not arguing that. Rolex fakes, on the other hand, are made to look identical the genuine article.
Samsung mgmt were idiots. They used icons that looked the same as Apple's. If average joe had a passing understanding of the look of the iPhone, the Samsung phone would have been confusing....I think it was the Samesung Fascinate that was so very close that I burst out laughing.
Change the idiots. Make something semi-different...
Please... look up the meaning of anecdotal evidence and then get back to me.
Here... I'll help you out a little.
I went to the moon and I saw that parts of it were made of green cheese. Seemingly, you claim that there is now anecdotal evidence that the moon is made of green cheese.
Comprende, amigo?
Nobody here has any evidence, anecdotal or not, that consumers are mistaking the Galaxy tab for iPads. They merely allege that it may be happening. Allegations are not evidence.
Sorry. When I saw somebody claim to have evidence, I believed him. I thought he'd cite an article about, say, Best Buy getting excessive returns, and reporting that many (Some? One?) customers claimed that they were fooled. But no.
Nothing. No evidence whatsoever. Not anecdotal, not scientific, not polls, not focus groups. Nothing except "I imagine that it might be happening".
Nobody here has any evidence, anecdotal or not, that consumers are mistaking the Galaxy tab for iPads. They merely allege that it may be happening. Allegations are not evidence.
Sorry. When I saw somebody claim to have evidence, I believed him. I thought he'd cite an article about, say, Best Buy getting excessive returns, and reporting that many (Some? One?) customers claimed that they were fooled. But no.
Nothing. No evidence whatsoever. Not anecdotal, not scientific, not polls, not focus groups. Nothing except "I imagine that it might be happening".
Got it. Sorry. My mistake.
[on edit: I did have a young sales gal try to sell me the original GT saying that it was the same thing as the iPad (1) but that it could play flash... so that does play into what we are trying to say... but that was almost a year ago and a different product than the one I am discussing]
I have decided that Samsung is not honest or honourable and I will not buy any of their products. I am using the power of my wallet. How about you?
I'd boycott Samsung only because Sam sings terribly.
Groan, I know, I suck at these.
I agree in principle, but Apple puts a lot of Samsung parts into my iPad, so does that count as a "Samsung product"? Or just their branded products?
We know you made a reference to Christ in metaphor. The reason this metaphor irks people is that most Christians, including myself, view the self-sacrifice of Jesus as most revered event in history. So to compare such a frivolous issue as this feud between apple and samsung does touch our nerves.
Your childish belief in an invisible non-existent man in the sky shouldn't be a relevant issue in his choice of metaphors.
Your childish belief in an invisible non-existent man in the sky shouldn't be a relevant issue in his choice of metaphors.
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