If Apple can't compete on the desktop market, one would hope they could on the portable market specially since many claim of the G4's efficiency. But it seems even that is competitive edge is withering away, fast. The Ti Book is now almost 13 months old, yet it has only gained 33% in clockspeed via a chip whose performance advantages over the previous 500MHz G4 is highly questionable.
And for those who tout the Ti's "amazing" 4-5 hours of battery life, I have one simple question. If you spend less time getting work done with the faster processor, how is that disadvantageous to a much slower processor doing the same work with marginally higher battery life?
Perhaps we need some sort of MIPS/battery life ratio?
800Mhz G4 low powered chips are available TODAY. Apple says they are happy with their product lineup and have no plans to update any product for several months.
that's exactly what I don't get. And sh*t, I told a friend to wait till MWTY at the end of March for the new 800 MHz Tibook. Why? Because the god dang chips are available already! Why the heck can't Apple do a speed bump? Because they think "That 667 MHz PBG4 is really too fast for our customers....they don't need the 800 yet..". Get a clue Apple!
Remember, Apple NEVER said that it wouldn't update its products. Apple only said that there would be no "new" CPU's, I.E. a 7460, 7500, or 8500. This has been misstated and taken out of context so many times and is now accepted as fact...it's sad the way so many people distort the truth about something so simple.
This is the *mobile version* of the P4 which will have (from what I read) even better power conservation than the P3. Intel is not into manufacturers shoving desktop chips into notebooks - and no decent PC manufacturers will do so. My 1GHz P3 notebook screams (with excellent battery life), so I can't wait to see how these P4's perform (especially coupled with DDR RAM). No PC manufacturer has shipped the Mobile P4 yet.
The 64MB nVIDIA GeForce 4 Go mobile chip will be shipping soon as well. I hope Apple uses this technology in their portables. ATI is a good chip, but it's still inferior to nVIDIA.
Apple needs to ditch Motorola and soon. This MHz gap is getting ridiculous. While the 'MHz Myth' is a good marketing buzz, but for overall performance, this 'myth' is a myth itself. I think it's very simple - If Apple had a 1.2GHz mobile G4, they'd sell more notebooks. Also, Apple's notebook battery life is impressive, but if my notebook was only running at 600MHz, I'd get 4-5 hours too. Right now I am at 1GHz and I am getting 3.3 hours. It's all relative.
<strong>but if my notebook was only running at 600MHz, I'd get 4-5 hours too.</strong><hr></blockquote>
but if your P3 were running at 600MHz, with 4-5 hours of battery life, do you really thing it could compete with a TiBook? really. i personally don't _totaly_ believe the MHz Myth, but there's no way a 600MHz P3 could run XP, capture flawless 5.1 audio and/or DV, and pound the sh*t out of anything in Photoshop or <insert favorite app here>.
so in conclusion, yes, AIM needs to close the gap, but let's not turn this into Dr. Stranglove, ok Tex?
<strong>800Mhz G4 low powered chips are available TODAY.</strong><hr></blockquote>Do you know this for sure? When the new PowerMacs were released, Motorola said the low-power Apollo was sampling, while the PowerMac version was available immediately.
but if your P3 were running at 600MHz, with 4-5 hours of battery life, do you really thing it could compete with a TiBook? really. i personally don't _totaly_ believe the MHz Myth, but there's no way a 600MHz P3 could run XP, capture flawless 5.1 audio and/or DV, and pound the sh*t out of anything in Photoshop or <insert favorite app here>.
so in conclusion, yes, AIM needs to close the gap, but let's not turn this into Dr. Stranglove, ok Tex?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Woah ah, oh - chill out there boss! No one is dissing the TiBook.
However, I happen to have a P3 500MHz at work loaded with WinXP Pro - and let me tell you, it turned my aging Windows 98 machine into a much faster and totally stable one. No, I don't do any graphic or DV work, but I use heavy Excel, PowerPoint and Word as well as FileMaker Pro, Quick Books, and of course play with games and MP3's. We also have a suite of programs that were specifically made for my company which all run better since WinXP was rolled out. XP generally does not slow down a machine, I found the exact opposite.
You're right in saying that the G4 is best for graphics and Photo Shop (which is how most G4 benchmarks are measured). In fact, our creative departments only use Macs (though our IT group claims that this is the case because that's all they ever used since we were once an all Mac agency). I wouldn't say that there is *no way* a P3 can handle anything unless you've tried it. Just like I wouldn't assume a G3 or a G4 is weak until I test it out for myself. I enjoy both platforms - I think they both offer unique features and performance using their own specific logics.
<strong>Remember, Apple NEVER said that it wouldn't update its products. Apple only said that there would be no "new" CPU's, I.E. a 7460, 7500, or 8500. This has been misstated and taken out of context so many times and is now accepted as fact...it's sad the way so many people distort the truth about something so simple.</strong><hr></blockquote>
it's sad the way YOU distort the truth into some happy mac fantasy land.
[quote]
"We're not planning to introduce any new CPUs at Macworld Tokyo, as a matter of fact, we're set for some months now," said Joswiak. "Having just updated all four product quadrants, it's really nonsensical to think we're about to update the quadrants again at Macworld Tokyo."
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uh... anyone who can read can CLEARLY decipher that he is talking about CPUs as in the computer itself, NOT just the damn processor design <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
and just to clarify it further for you:
[quote]
While the year started off with a flurry of product announcements, the upcoming Expo in Tokyo will see no new hardware; in fact, the company will not be updating its line of computer products for the coming months, according to Apple's senior director of Hardware Product Marketing Greg Joswiak. Joswiak recently spoke to MacCentral at Apple's Cupertino headquarters.
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not that difficult.
[quote]
The 64MB nVIDIA GeForce 4 Go mobile chip will be shipping soon as well. I hope Apple uses this technology in their portables. ATI is a good chip, but it's still inferior to nVIDIA.<hr></blockquote>
explain to me how their notebook chips are inferior? ATI on the desktop and ATI on the portable are completely different and so is nVidia. ATI is proven, nVidia is not. On paper the Geforce 4 Go is wonderful, but so was the geforce 2go and that tanked.
[quote]Also, Apple's notebook battery life is impressive, but if my notebook was only running at 600MHz, I'd get 4-5 hours too. Right now I am at 1GHz and I am getting 3.3 hours. It's all relative. <hr></blockquote>
it's not relative at all. The 667Mhz Powerbook would smoke that notebook. I know, I've done tests with my Aunt's 1Ghz Dell. Oh, and she gets 2.5 hours. great, huh
[quote]Do you know this for sure? When the new PowerMacs were released, Motorola said the low-power Apollo was sampling, while the PowerMac version was available immediately. <hr></blockquote>
1.) possibly but they sure make it seem available now. I'll have to go read again
2.) Mot is Apple's bitch now. if apple doesn't want mot to publicly announce the chip is available to save pressure they'll make em.
Just out of curiosity, what kind of work do you guys do that you do not have access to an outlet (110V or 12v) for more than 2-3 hours at a time?
Don't get me wrong, having battery life that would last through an entire day would be really nice. Practically speaking though, I just don't see people spending more than a couple of hours where they can't get to a power supply.
That said. The battery life on my Thinkpad really sux, but for the most part it is an annoyance rather than an obstacle.
Despite what the guy from Apple said , there will be an upgrade of the ti book : better chip, better video, better HD. Not a new computer just a normal evolution.
Apple will be totaly insane if he does not make this upgrade.
<strong>Despite what the guy from Apple said , there will be an upgrade of the ti book : better chip, better video, better HD. Not a new computer just a normal evolution.
Apple will be totaly insane if he does not make this upgrade.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ahh....yeeeeees....but one thing you overlook young Grasshopper......this is Apple we are talking about!!
<strong>Despite what the guy from Apple said , there will be an upgrade of the ti book : better chip, better video, better HD. Not a new computer just a normal evolution.
Apple will be totaly insane if he does not make this upgrade.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I looked at the Sunday paper this morning and in the Best Buy, CompUSA, and Circuit City were Toshiba laptops featuring a 1.6 GHz Pentium 4. The price was like 1899 before the rebate junk. Insane....
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They just sell movable desktops in laptop shells.
Battery life 2-2.5hours is a ****ing joke.
G-News
And for those who tout the Ti's "amazing" 4-5 hours of battery life, I have one simple question. If you spend less time getting work done with the faster processor, how is that disadvantageous to a much slower processor doing the same work with marginally higher battery life?
Perhaps we need some sort of MIPS/battery life ratio?
[ 03-02-2002: Message edited by: Nostradamus ]</p>
ARE THEY DUMB?
Seriously. They are in some serious denial
Only bump the processor and nothing else...
800Mhz G4 chips = available TODAY
Radeon mobility 7500= available TODAY
30, 48, 60GB HDs = available today
no reason not to upgrade these items which are basically swappable with what's in there
The 64MB nVIDIA GeForce 4 Go mobile chip will be shipping soon as well. I hope Apple uses this technology in their portables. ATI is a good chip, but it's still inferior to nVIDIA.
Apple needs to ditch Motorola and soon. This MHz gap is getting ridiculous. While the 'MHz Myth' is a good marketing buzz, but for overall performance, this 'myth' is a myth itself. I think it's very simple - If Apple had a 1.2GHz mobile G4, they'd sell more notebooks. Also, Apple's notebook battery life is impressive, but if my notebook was only running at 600MHz, I'd get 4-5 hours too. Right now I am at 1GHz and I am getting 3.3 hours. It's all relative.
<strong>but if my notebook was only running at 600MHz, I'd get 4-5 hours too.</strong><hr></blockquote>
but if your P3 were running at 600MHz, with 4-5 hours of battery life, do you really thing it could compete with a TiBook? really. i personally don't _totaly_ believe the MHz Myth, but there's no way a 600MHz P3 could run XP, capture flawless 5.1 audio and/or DV, and pound the sh*t out of anything in Photoshop or <insert favorite app here>.
so in conclusion, yes, AIM needs to close the gap, but let's not turn this into Dr. Stranglove, ok Tex?
<strong>800Mhz G4 low powered chips are available TODAY.</strong><hr></blockquote>Do you know this for sure? When the new PowerMacs were released, Motorola said the low-power Apollo was sampling, while the PowerMac version was available immediately.
<strong>
but if your P3 were running at 600MHz, with 4-5 hours of battery life, do you really thing it could compete with a TiBook? really. i personally don't _totaly_ believe the MHz Myth, but there's no way a 600MHz P3 could run XP, capture flawless 5.1 audio and/or DV, and pound the sh*t out of anything in Photoshop or <insert favorite app here>.
so in conclusion, yes, AIM needs to close the gap, but let's not turn this into Dr. Stranglove, ok Tex?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Woah ah, oh - chill out there boss! No one is dissing the TiBook.
However, I happen to have a P3 500MHz at work loaded with WinXP Pro - and let me tell you, it turned my aging Windows 98 machine into a much faster and totally stable one. No, I don't do any graphic or DV work, but I use heavy Excel, PowerPoint and Word as well as FileMaker Pro, Quick Books, and of course play with games and MP3's. We also have a suite of programs that were specifically made for my company which all run better since WinXP was rolled out. XP generally does not slow down a machine, I found the exact opposite.
You're right in saying that the G4 is best for graphics and Photo Shop (which is how most G4 benchmarks are measured). In fact, our creative departments only use Macs (though our IT group claims that this is the case because that's all they ever used since we were once an all Mac agency). I wouldn't say that there is *no way* a P3 can handle anything unless you've tried it. Just like I wouldn't assume a G3 or a G4 is weak until I test it out for myself. I enjoy both platforms - I think they both offer unique features and performance using their own specific logics.
Tex.
[ 03-03-2002: Message edited by: iPatchoulio ]</p>
<strong>Remember, Apple NEVER said that it wouldn't update its products. Apple only said that there would be no "new" CPU's, I.E. a 7460, 7500, or 8500. This has been misstated and taken out of context so many times and is now accepted as fact...it's sad the way so many people distort the truth about something so simple.</strong><hr></blockquote>
it's sad the way YOU distort the truth into some happy mac fantasy land.
[quote]
"We're not planning to introduce any new CPUs at Macworld Tokyo, as a matter of fact, we're set for some months now," said Joswiak. "Having just updated all four product quadrants, it's really nonsensical to think we're about to update the quadrants again at Macworld Tokyo."
<hr></blockquote>
uh... anyone who can read can CLEARLY decipher that he is talking about CPUs as in the computer itself, NOT just the damn processor design <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
and just to clarify it further for you:
[quote]
While the year started off with a flurry of product announcements, the upcoming Expo in Tokyo will see no new hardware; in fact, the company will not be updating its line of computer products for the coming months, according to Apple's senior director of Hardware Product Marketing Greg Joswiak. Joswiak recently spoke to MacCentral at Apple's Cupertino headquarters.
<hr></blockquote>
not that difficult.
[quote]
The 64MB nVIDIA GeForce 4 Go mobile chip will be shipping soon as well. I hope Apple uses this technology in their portables. ATI is a good chip, but it's still inferior to nVIDIA.<hr></blockquote>
explain to me how their notebook chips are inferior? ATI on the desktop and ATI on the portable are completely different and so is nVidia. ATI is proven, nVidia is not. On paper the Geforce 4 Go is wonderful, but so was the geforce 2go and that tanked.
[quote]Also, Apple's notebook battery life is impressive, but if my notebook was only running at 600MHz, I'd get 4-5 hours too. Right now I am at 1GHz and I am getting 3.3 hours. It's all relative. <hr></blockquote>
it's not relative at all. The 667Mhz Powerbook would smoke that notebook. I know, I've done tests with my Aunt's 1Ghz Dell. Oh, and she gets 2.5 hours. great, huh
[quote]Do you know this for sure? When the new PowerMacs were released, Motorola said the low-power Apollo was sampling, while the PowerMac version was available immediately. <hr></blockquote>
1.) possibly but they sure make it seem available now. I'll have to go read again
2.) Mot is Apple's bitch now. if apple doesn't want mot to publicly announce the chip is available to save pressure they'll make em.
Don't get me wrong, having battery life that would last through an entire day would be really nice. Practically speaking though, I just don't see people spending more than a couple of hours where they can't get to a power supply.
That said. The battery life on my Thinkpad really sux, but for the most part it is an annoyance rather than an obstacle.
Apple will be totaly insane if he does not make this upgrade.
<strong>Despite what the guy from Apple said , there will be an upgrade of the ti book : better chip, better video, better HD. Not a new computer just a normal evolution.
Apple will be totaly insane if he does not make this upgrade.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ahh....yeeeeees....but one thing you overlook young Grasshopper......this is Apple we are talking about!!
<img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
<strong>Despite what the guy from Apple said , there will be an upgrade of the ti book : better chip, better video, better HD. Not a new computer just a normal evolution.
Apple will be totaly insane if he does not make this upgrade.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'm pretty sure that would be illegal