Since I was so utterly disappointed with the non-update of the iPod Touch, I'm considering getting a Nano and using some other device to access the internet while away from my home. It might be a Nook or Kindle.
The Nano to me was a step backwards compared to the one with the video camera. Small is OK but small for small's sake is stupid. The new Nano would make a great watch but I don't know how comfortable it would be to have it plugged in to headphones while walking along. The cable would be smacking my arm and body with each swing.
Good luck not hitting fewer than four keys at once.
You're right, this shouldn't work at all...
Yes, I know the iPhone is much larger, I'm comparing the size of each "key" relative to the finger pressing... as if iOS doesn't have fantastic algorithms for "guessing" which key was the intended press. It's not infallible, but perfectly usable.
That doesn't exactly work when you're dealing with NUMBERS instead of a small subset of an order of characters.
I'm not referring to it guessing the word, or even the letter, what's actually on the button is irrelevant to PROXIMITY. I'm referring to it guessing the KEY, based on WHERE the finger touches the screen relative to the buttons near where the finger touches.
I'm not referring to it guessing the word, or even the letter, what's actually on the button is irrelevant to PROXIMITY. I'm referring to it guessing the KEY, based on WHERE the finger touches the screen relative to the buttons near where the finger touches.
I'm just wandering past, so forgive me for chiming in, but a calculator keypad on a 1" square screen is going to mean each number button is something like .25"x.20" or less, and that's with no spacing between keys. I can't see where you could possibly accurately hit an intended target that size with any consistency, and Apple's predictive algorithms aren't really going to be of much help, since they combine likely letter combos with target strike proximity. In the case of the Nano my misses are going to be likely to be pretty much 50/50 between keys, and there isn't any frequency info to fall back on. That's if the Nano could even run that level of software.
I'm just wandering past, so forgive me for chiming in, but a calculator keypad on a 1" square screen is going to mean each number button is something like .25"x.20" or less, and that's with no spacing between keys. I can't see where you could possibly accurately hit an intended target that size with any consistency, and Apple's predictive algorithms aren't really going to be of much help, since they combine likely letter combos with target strike proximity. In the case of the Nano my misses are going to be likely to be pretty much 50/50 between keys, and there isn't any frequency info to fall back on. That's if the Nano could even run that level of software.
iOS paired with an excellent capacitive touch screen on the iPhone makes for a great experience but I can't imagine the Nano offering that level of precision.
They have gotten it wrong. The update to the nano is SOFTWARE ONLY.
It is normal to find variations in what is used in a product. Vendors of components get changed all the time depending on who can build the fastest and at the cheapest price. The bottom line is that this IS NOT A 7TH GEN NANO. It is simply the 1.2 software update to the existing 6th Gen Nano.
You can take the first 6th Gen Nano ever built, run the 1.2 update and you will get EVERY SINGLE FEATURE listed in the keynote and on the Nano site at Apple.
The fitness dongle thing is simply a software change that allows the existing accelerometer inside the Nano to do the job of the dongle and shoe puck thing. No physical change to the Nano.
Since I was so utterly disappointed with the non-update of the iPod Touch, I'm considering getting a Nano and using some other device to access the internet while away from my home. It might be a Nook or Kindle.
The Nano to me was a step backwards compared to the one with the video camera. Small is OK but small for small's sake is stupid. The new Nano would make a great watch but I don't know how comfortable it would be to have it plugged in to headphones while walking along. The cable would be smacking my arm and body with each swing.
I do use mine exclusively as a watch, and I do use it to listen to music. I use short cable Sony earbuds, that are just slightly too short, so I have a 5" extender attached, which makes it the perfect length. As such, the cable never ever gets in the way or bothers me in any way. I love it.
Works wonders, I never have cable flap nor do I ever get the cord caught on anything. There's enough space in the clip that it never pinches the cord either. Colors to match any device, a lifetime supply for a couple of bucks.
They have gotten it wrong. The update to the nano is SOFTWARE ONLY.
... It is simply the 1.2 software update to the existing 6th Gen Nano.
You can take the first 6th Gen Nano ever built, run the 1.2 update and you will get EVERY SINGLE FEATURE listed in the keynote and on the Nano site at Apple.
The fitness dongle thing is simply a software change that allows the existing accelerometer inside the Nano to do the job of the dongle and shoe puck thing. No physical change to the Nano.
R
I appreciate a succinct clarification that follows what seemed like an unending stream of poorly-expressed partial truths. But I would have stopped short of saying that the built-in accelerometer does the job of the shoe puck thing. My guess is that it comes close enough that the difference is not significant, but when running, the acceleration experienced by the arms and hands when they swing is probably not nearly as great as the acceleration experience by the foot. And the acceleration experienced by the hands when running is probably not any greater than when moving the hands around for purposes unrelated to running. If I were to guess, my guess would be that there isn't any significant difference, but a determined effort would be required to demonstrate that conclusively. I just don't think it is correct at this stage for everyone to accept at face value the claim from Apple that for the express purpose of doing what the Nike thing does, that the accelerometer in the Nano works every bit as well as the accelerometer in the Nike thing.
They generally don't get new products immediately, no.
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And said there will be no 7th-gen ipod nano even later on this year.
Of? course? not. They're not going to tell you things you don't know. And since we just got a hardware update, new ones wouldn't come out three months later.
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Does it means that the hardware update listed here make no difference?
Pretty much. I'm sure they're cheaper/more efficient/smaller or something.
Don't know if Apple Insider staff read these forums, but I'd love to read a review of the nano that addresses the accuracy of the accelerometer, especially without the foot receiver gizmo as Apple says isn't needed now. I can't find any reviews about it. Anyone else?
They seem like they are targeting the nano now to the fitness crowd. I'm a new runner and have found my old 3GS iphone is quite inaccurate for pace and distance, using its GPS. The nano would be great, I'd have music, distance/pace and watch all in one. But if it isn't accurate I'll just use a shuffle and an actual watch, and not have a computer on my wrist getting rained on (the rains have started in the pacific northwest where i live). I don't want to buy a special sneaker.
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Price is not a feature.
Sure it is. What price isn't a technical specification.
No, I don't.
Good luck not hitting fewer than four keys at once.
The Nano to me was a step backwards compared to the one with the video camera. Small is OK but small for small's sake is stupid. The new Nano would make a great watch but I don't know how comfortable it would be to have it plugged in to headphones while walking along. The cable would be smacking my arm and body with each swing.
Good luck not hitting fewer than four keys at once.
You're right, this shouldn't work at all...
Yes, I know the iPhone is much larger, I'm comparing the size of each "key" relative to the finger pressing... as if iOS doesn't have fantastic algorithms for "guessing" which key was the intended press. It's not infallible, but perfectly usable.
iOS doesn't have fantastic algorithms for "guessing" which key was the intended press.
That doesn't exactly work when you're dealing with NUMBERS instead of a small subset of an order of characters.
That doesn't exactly work when you're dealing with NUMBERS instead of a small subset of an order of characters.
I'm not referring to it guessing the word, or even the letter, what's actually on the button is irrelevant to PROXIMITY. I'm referring to it guessing the KEY, based on WHERE the finger touches the screen relative to the buttons near where the finger touches.
The cable would be smacking my arm and body with each swing.
Isn't there some sort of wireless headphones somebody could use?
I'm not referring to it guessing the word, or even the letter, what's actually on the button is irrelevant to PROXIMITY. I'm referring to it guessing the KEY, based on WHERE the finger touches the screen relative to the buttons near where the finger touches.
I'm just wandering past, so forgive me for chiming in, but a calculator keypad on a 1" square screen is going to mean each number button is something like .25"x.20" or less, and that's with no spacing between keys. I can't see where you could possibly accurately hit an intended target that size with any consistency, and Apple's predictive algorithms aren't really going to be of much help, since they combine likely letter combos with target strike proximity. In the case of the Nano my misses are going to be likely to be pretty much 50/50 between keys, and there isn't any frequency info to fall back on. That's if the Nano could even run that level of software.
Isn't there some sort of wireless headphones somebody could use?
Not without BlueTooth, which I don't think the Nano has.
I'm just wandering past, so forgive me for chiming in, but a calculator keypad on a 1" square screen is going to mean each number button is something like .25"x.20" or less, and that's with no spacing between keys. I can't see where you could possibly accurately hit an intended target that size with any consistency, and Apple's predictive algorithms aren't really going to be of much help, since they combine likely letter combos with target strike proximity. In the case of the Nano my misses are going to be likely to be pretty much 50/50 between keys, and there isn't any frequency info to fall back on. That's if the Nano could even run that level of software.
iOS paired with an excellent capacitive touch screen on the iPhone makes for a great experience but I can't imagine the Nano offering that level of precision.
Not without BlueTooth, which I don't think the Nano has.
I did a quick search and I found that there are many bluetooth adaptors that some people are using with the iPod nanos successfully.
I found this sony adapter for around $50.
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-Bluetooth.../dp/B000XRW09Y
It is normal to find variations in what is used in a product. Vendors of components get changed all the time depending on who can build the fastest and at the cheapest price. The bottom line is that this IS NOT A 7TH GEN NANO. It is simply the 1.2 software update to the existing 6th Gen Nano.
You can take the first 6th Gen Nano ever built, run the 1.2 update and you will get EVERY SINGLE FEATURE listed in the keynote and on the Nano site at Apple.
The fitness dongle thing is simply a software change that allows the existing accelerometer inside the Nano to do the job of the dongle and shoe puck thing. No physical change to the Nano.
R
Since I was so utterly disappointed with the non-update of the iPod Touch, I'm considering getting a Nano and using some other device to access the internet while away from my home. It might be a Nook or Kindle.
The Nano to me was a step backwards compared to the one with the video camera. Small is OK but small for small's sake is stupid. The new Nano would make a great watch but I don't know how comfortable it would be to have it plugged in to headphones while walking along. The cable would be smacking my arm and body with each swing.
I do use mine exclusively as a watch, and I do use it to listen to music. I use short cable Sony earbuds, that are just slightly too short, so I have a 5" extender attached, which makes it the perfect length. As such, the cable never ever gets in the way or bothers me in any way. I love it.
I have the run feature and no receiver or transmitter...
I see it now.
The cable would be smacking my arm and body with each swing.
I have always clipped my headphone cords to my shirt with a small binder clip:
Example at Amazon
Works wonders, I never have cable flap nor do I ever get the cord caught on anything. There's enough space in the clip that it never pinches the cord either. Colors to match any device, a lifetime supply for a couple of bucks.
They have gotten it wrong. The update to the nano is SOFTWARE ONLY.
... It is simply the 1.2 software update to the existing 6th Gen Nano.
You can take the first 6th Gen Nano ever built, run the 1.2 update and you will get EVERY SINGLE FEATURE listed in the keynote and on the Nano site at Apple.
The fitness dongle thing is simply a software change that allows the existing accelerometer inside the Nano to do the job of the dongle and shoe puck thing. No physical change to the Nano.
R
I appreciate a succinct clarification that follows what seemed like an unending stream of poorly-expressed partial truths. But I would have stopped short of saying that the built-in accelerometer does the job of the shoe puck thing. My guess is that it comes close enough that the difference is not significant, but when running, the acceleration experienced by the arms and hands when they swing is probably not nearly as great as the acceleration experience by the foot. And the acceleration experienced by the hands when running is probably not any greater than when moving the hands around for purposes unrelated to running. If I were to guess, my guess would be that there isn't any significant difference, but a determined effort would be required to demonstrate that conclusively. I just don't think it is correct at this stage for everyone to accept at face value the claim from Apple that for the express purpose of doing what the Nike thing does, that the accelerometer in the Nano works every bit as well as the accelerometer in the Nike thing.
IT IS STILL THE 6TH-GEN NANO WITH OLD SOFTWARE.
I called the store and they told me to update the software on iTune.
And said there will be no 7th-gen ipod nano even later on this year.
Does it means that the hardware update listed here make no difference?
Or should I go back to return the nano I just got?
IT IS STILL THE 6TH-GEN NANO WITH OLD SOFTWARE.
They generally don't get new products immediately, no.
And said there will be no 7th-gen ipod nano even later on this year.
Of? course? not. They're not going to tell you things you don't know. And since we just got a hardware update, new ones wouldn't come out three months later.
Does it means that the hardware update listed here make no difference?
Pretty much. I'm sure they're cheaper/more efficient/smaller or something.
They seem like they are targeting the nano now to the fitness crowd. I'm a new runner and have found my old 3GS iphone is quite inaccurate for pace and distance, using its GPS. The nano would be great, I'd have music, distance/pace and watch all in one. But if it isn't accurate I'll just use a shuffle and an actual watch, and not have a computer on my wrist getting rained on (the rains have started in the pacific northwest where i live). I don't want to buy a special sneaker.