Attend the tale of Steve Jobs. I've never understood why people who know they will be lacking in their parenting (Steve obviously has some sort of guilt per that quote) feels the need they have to procreate?
And I agree with above - keep it private with a future (25) year release date. Like the Jackie O tapes.
I don't get the responses to this story. There's no implication in the quote that Jobs was a bad father or that he felt he was a bad father. He said he wants his kids to understand what he was doing, which strongly implies that he felt what he was doing was understandable. Most of us don't know our parents in the way that reading a tell-all biography of their lives would help us to know them, even if our parents weren't busy running multinational corporations.
I don't get the responses to this story. There's no implication in the quote that Jobs was a bad father or that he felt he was a bad father.
Yes, it does imply that:
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider
Just a few weeks before his death, Steve Jobs revealed in an interview that he agreed to an authorized biography on his life so that his children could know why he wasn't always there for them.
Sorry, kids. Making gadgets. Can't come to your soccer match tonight....can't help you with your homework tonight....
Not that a father has to be spending every moment with his kids when they are home. But anyone who says that he is trying to explain why he wasn't always there for them obviously feels a bit of regret for putting career before family. And that's what's sad.
I don't get the responses to this story. There's no implication in the quote that Jobs was a bad father or that he felt he was a bad father. He said he wants his kids to understand what he was doing, which strongly implies that he felt what he was doing was understandable. Most of us don't know our parents in the way that reading a tell-all biography of their lives would help us to know them, even if our parents weren't busy running multinational corporations.
?? I thought the quote read- "I wasn't always there for them, and I wanted them to know why and to understand what I did"
I'm reminded of Tiger Woods' apology news conference. He made the comment that, if he hadn't let his Buddhist faith slide, his family may have remained intact.
The Buddha left his wife and child in order to pursue enlightenment. So Buddhism may not be the best vehicle for family values and cohesion.
Buddhism is about pursuing your own path. The physical world is painful, and the way to enlightenment is trying to push the physical world away and enter the one-ness of the universe via meditation. It's not really a faith that values community and relationships.
I'm reminded of Tiger Woods' apology news conference. He made the comment that, if he hadn't let his Buddhist faith slide, his family may have remained intact.
The Buddha left his wife and child in order to pursue enlightenment. So Buddhism may not be the best vehicle for family values and cohesion.
Buddhism is about pursuing your own path. The physical world is painful, and the way to enlightenment is trying to push the physical world away and enter the one-ness of the universe via meditation. It's not really a faith that values community and relationships.
pffft. No faith does that. It's all a bunch of mumbo-jumbo.
I'm reminded that the KKK is a christian organiztaion.
When faced with death, I'm sure we will all have regrets. It is sad that it takes death to realize how special the people in our lives really are, but we're all human with fears, wishes and thoughts that drive our sad, and boring daily lives at the expense of those we love.
It's truly sad that all the accomplishments and status pale in comparison to lost family time. He made a choice. I know other men that have the same energetic pursuits of 'their calling', and put kids second. I shake my head when they express regret at not spending enough time with their family- usually only getting clarity of the problem after it's too late.
These types of regrets always bubble to the surface at the end of life, and the wise among us should take note. I admire the man greatly, but I hope and pray I would never be left with explaining to my children my absence through a book after my demise.
I turned down a job with Apple a few years ago because of this very reason. I knew what the work/hours requirements would be going into it, and my family would suffer for it... not financially, but in lost time which can never be recovered. I'm glad I made the choice I did. The resumé suffered for it, but my kids and family are happier for it.
?? I thought the quote read- "I wasn't always there for them, and I wanted them to know why and to understand what I did"
Yes, which in no way implies that he was a bad father or thought he was a bad father. "Wasn't always there for them" is pretty weak. He wants his kids to understand what he was doing that kept him so busy. It doesn't imply that he thinks he was doing something wrong, just that he wanted them to know the whole story, his reasons.
You really need to get out more often and attend a church or two, maybe more if needed. I belong to a faith that is extremely committed to family and community relationships, so I know there is at least one faith that does that. If you look at the June 2011 issue of National Geographic you will find a article about how scientists are discovering that religion is the most likely explanation of what brought humans together to form civilizations (this was previously credited to beer making and agriculture). That, by definition, is faith supporting community and relationships.
Peace.
Oh, and my sympathies go out to Steve's family. I will miss Steve, too.
It's also my judgement that family comes first. It apparently wasn't for Steve, at least until the end. Any particular reason you feel a need to insult ConradJoe? Perhaps you're feeling some guilt about the relationship with your own family?
For the most part, well-balanced people are not the people who achieve the kinds of greatness that change the world. People who achieve greatness, whether creative, scientific or business are highly focused and frequently concentrate on their interests to the exclusion of almost everything else, frequently alienating family, friends and even business associates. I've always theorized that people like Jobs, Gates, Zuckerberg, etc. have mild forms of autism.
Geniuses like Picasso, Henry Ford, Nicholas Tesla, Gandhi, John Lennon, Martin Luther King, Leonard Bernstein, etc. were all considered with varying degrees to be failing in terms of their personal relationships.
Each person has to make a choice for themselves about what's the most important thing in their lives. For you or I, it might be family. For others, it might be about their creativity or the companies that they founded. When I held senior positions in product development, I felt like my products were my children. In fact, if you criticized my kid, I wouldn't mind, but if you criticized my products, I got very upset.
Even if Jobs didn't spend enough time with his kids, he focused his life on Apple and Pixar and he did indeed change the world. I actually think he made the right choice although that's easy for me to say since I'm not his kid. But I don 't think any of us idiots on forums like this should be judging him.
You really need to get out more often and attend a church or two, maybe more if needed. I belong to a faith that is extremely committed to family and community relationships, so I know there is at least one faith that does that. If you look at the June 2011 issue of National Geographic you will find a article about how scientists are discovering that religion is the most likely explanation of what brought humans together to form civilizations (this was previously credited to beer making and agriculture). That, by definition, is faith supporting community and relationships.
Peace.
Oh, and my sympathies go out to Steve's family. I will miss Steve, too.
i don't want to hijack this thread, however, i must comment.
it is a scientific fact that evolution is the reason we are commited to family and community. I would suggest you read Richard Dawkins book called the God Delusion.
In it, he and other scientists state the reason we as humans have morals is because of kin selection.
To say faith defines our values Ie. "morals", I would remind you that faith has a history that includes beliefs in such things as eugenics, sterilisation and purification. A pretty grewsome picture of "Family Values".....
Before I am ready to form an opinion on Steve's performance as a father I will 1) read the book, and 2) wait until I hear something from his children and his wife on this matter.
Anyone who spouts off about this now is crassly seizing upon an early opportunity to piss on his grave. As Joseph Welch said to Senator McCarthy: "Have you no sense of decency?" Or fairness and intellectual honesty, I would add.
I cannot speak for Steve Jobs or his private family life. I can say this: when people produce offspring at young ages out of wedlock outcomes are unpredictable.
Steve did reconcile with first child. Steve did continue on and married (and stayed married) and produced the children he was actively involved with.
All parents balance time spent with children and demands of work. I bet Steve and his wife new that Steve was going to be laser focused upon Apple. The first child (Lisa) was an unintended pregnancy, the offspring within his established marriage was intended and welcomed (I imagine). Steve was focused but I speculate that he took his family seriously and did come home.
Be careful of the trap of myth building whether that be Jesus or Steve Jobs.
Steve Jobs was a remarkable human. Steve Jobs never called himself a pure saint. Humans are flawed, people have shortcomings. So what. I am sorry for the passing and loss to Steve Jobs family and those that intimately new him.
He is a cultural icon and there is quiet a bit I identify with. Never met personally - just 7 MacWorld Keynotes and one private Apple Specialist meeting I was within 200 feet. I can attest that he was charismatic, with a lot of energy. I would have eaten up any browbeating as an employee and cherished it for life. When we drive and push ourselves and others to excel is an excellent opportunity for growth.
I'm reminded of Tiger Woods' apology news conference. He made the comment that, if he hadn't let his Buddhist faith slide, his family may have remained intact.
The Buddha left his wife and child in order to pursue enlightenment. So Buddhism may not be the best vehicle for family values and cohesion.
Buddhism is about pursuing your own path. The physical world is painful, and the way to enlightenment is trying to push the physical world away and enter the one-ness of the universe via meditation. It's not really a faith that values community and relationships.
Buddha did leave his family. However your entire post about Buddhism is wrong.
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Originally Posted by s4mb4
pffft. No faith does that. It's all a bunch of mumbo-jumbo.
I'm reminded that the KKK is a christian organiztaion.
And Al Queda and the Taliban are Islamic organizations.
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Such a sad tale.
Attend the tale of Steve Jobs. I've never understood why people who know they will be lacking in their parenting (Steve obviously has some sort of guilt per that quote) feels the need they have to procreate?
And I agree with above - keep it private with a future (25) year release date. Like the Jackie O tapes.
I don't get the responses to this story. There's no implication in the quote that Jobs was a bad father or that he felt he was a bad father.
Yes, it does imply that:
Just a few weeks before his death, Steve Jobs revealed in an interview that he agreed to an authorized biography on his life so that his children could know why he wasn't always there for them.
Sorry, kids. Making gadgets. Can't come to your soccer match tonight....can't help you with your homework tonight....
Not that a father has to be spending every moment with his kids when they are home. But anyone who says that he is trying to explain why he wasn't always there for them obviously feels a bit of regret for putting career before family. And that's what's sad.
I don't get the responses to this story. There's no implication in the quote that Jobs was a bad father or that he felt he was a bad father. He said he wants his kids to understand what he was doing, which strongly implies that he felt what he was doing was understandable. Most of us don't know our parents in the way that reading a tell-all biography of their lives would help us to know them, even if our parents weren't busy running multinational corporations.
?? I thought the quote read- "I wasn't always there for them, and I wanted them to know why and to understand what I did"
The Buddha left his wife and child in order to pursue enlightenment. So Buddhism may not be the best vehicle for family values and cohesion.
Buddhism is about pursuing your own path. The physical world is painful, and the way to enlightenment is trying to push the physical world away and enter the one-ness of the universe via meditation. It's not really a faith that values community and relationships.
I'm reminded of Tiger Woods' apology news conference. He made the comment that, if he hadn't let his Buddhist faith slide, his family may have remained intact.
The Buddha left his wife and child in order to pursue enlightenment. So Buddhism may not be the best vehicle for family values and cohesion.
Buddhism is about pursuing your own path. The physical world is painful, and the way to enlightenment is trying to push the physical world away and enter the one-ness of the universe via meditation. It's not really a faith that values community and relationships.
pffft. No faith does that. It's all a bunch of mumbo-jumbo.
I'm reminded that the KKK is a christian organiztaion.
These types of regrets always bubble to the surface at the end of life, and the wise among us should take note. I admire the man greatly, but I hope and pray I would never be left with explaining to my children my absence through a book after my demise.
I turned down a job with Apple a few years ago because of this very reason. I knew what the work/hours requirements would be going into it, and my family would suffer for it... not financially, but in lost time which can never be recovered. I'm glad I made the choice I did. The resumé suffered for it, but my kids and family are happier for it.
?? I thought the quote read- "I wasn't always there for them, and I wanted them to know why and to understand what I did"
Yes, which in no way implies that he was a bad father or thought he was a bad father. "Wasn't always there for them" is pretty weak. He wants his kids to understand what he was doing that kept him so busy. It doesn't imply that he thinks he was doing something wrong, just that he wanted them to know the whole story, his reasons.
You really need to get out more often and attend a church or two, maybe more if needed. I belong to a faith that is extremely committed to family and community relationships, so I know there is at least one faith that does that. If you look at the June 2011 issue of National Geographic you will find a article about how scientists are discovering that religion is the most likely explanation of what brought humans together to form civilizations (this was previously credited to beer making and agriculture). That, by definition, is faith supporting community and relationships.
Peace.
Oh, and my sympathies go out to Steve's family. I will miss Steve, too.
It's also my judgement that family comes first. It apparently wasn't for Steve, at least until the end. Any particular reason you feel a need to insult ConradJoe? Perhaps you're feeling some guilt about the relationship with your own family?
For the most part, well-balanced people are not the people who achieve the kinds of greatness that change the world. People who achieve greatness, whether creative, scientific or business are highly focused and frequently concentrate on their interests to the exclusion of almost everything else, frequently alienating family, friends and even business associates. I've always theorized that people like Jobs, Gates, Zuckerberg, etc. have mild forms of autism.
Geniuses like Picasso, Henry Ford, Nicholas Tesla, Gandhi, John Lennon, Martin Luther King, Leonard Bernstein, etc. were all considered with varying degrees to be failing in terms of their personal relationships.
Each person has to make a choice for themselves about what's the most important thing in their lives. For you or I, it might be family. For others, it might be about their creativity or the companies that they founded. When I held senior positions in product development, I felt like my products were my children. In fact, if you criticized my kid, I wouldn't mind, but if you criticized my products, I got very upset.
Even if Jobs didn't spend enough time with his kids, he focused his life on Apple and Pixar and he did indeed change the world. I actually think he made the right choice although that's easy for me to say since I'm not his kid. But I don 't think any of us idiots on forums like this should be judging him.
s4mb4,
You really need to get out more often and attend a church or two, maybe more if needed. I belong to a faith that is extremely committed to family and community relationships, so I know there is at least one faith that does that. If you look at the June 2011 issue of National Geographic you will find a article about how scientists are discovering that religion is the most likely explanation of what brought humans together to form civilizations (this was previously credited to beer making and agriculture). That, by definition, is faith supporting community and relationships.
Peace.
Oh, and my sympathies go out to Steve's family. I will miss Steve, too.
i don't want to hijack this thread, however, i must comment.
it is a scientific fact that evolution is the reason we are commited to family and community. I would suggest you read Richard Dawkins book called the God Delusion.
In it, he and other scientists state the reason we as humans have morals is because of kin selection.
To say faith defines our values Ie. "morals", I would remind you that faith has a history that includes beliefs in such things as eugenics, sterilisation and purification. A pretty grewsome picture of "Family Values".....
Remembering Steve Jobs
http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=133651
Before I am ready to form an opinion on Steve's performance as a father I will 1) read the book, and 2) wait until I hear something from his children and his wife on this matter.
Anyone who spouts off about this now is crassly seizing upon an early opportunity to piss on his grave. As Joseph Welch said to Senator McCarthy: "Have you no sense of decency?" Or fairness and intellectual honesty, I would add.
Steve did reconcile with first child. Steve did continue on and married (and stayed married) and produced the children he was actively involved with.
All parents balance time spent with children and demands of work. I bet Steve and his wife new that Steve was going to be laser focused upon Apple. The first child (Lisa) was an unintended pregnancy, the offspring within his established marriage was intended and welcomed (I imagine). Steve was focused but I speculate that he took his family seriously and did come home.
My neighbor Steve Jobs
Be careful of the trap of myth building whether that be Jesus or Steve Jobs.
Steve Jobs was a remarkable human. Steve Jobs never called himself a pure saint. Humans are flawed, people have shortcomings. So what. I am sorry for the passing and loss to Steve Jobs family and those that intimately new him.
He is a cultural icon and there is quiet a bit I identify with. Never met personally - just 7 MacWorld Keynotes and one private Apple Specialist meeting I was within 200 feet. I can attest that he was charismatic, with a lot of energy. I would have eaten up any browbeating as an employee and cherished it for life. When we drive and push ourselves and others to excel is an excellent opportunity for growth.
All else is speculation and nobodies business.
I'm reminded of Tiger Woods' apology news conference. He made the comment that, if he hadn't let his Buddhist faith slide, his family may have remained intact.
The Buddha left his wife and child in order to pursue enlightenment. So Buddhism may not be the best vehicle for family values and cohesion.
Buddhism is about pursuing your own path. The physical world is painful, and the way to enlightenment is trying to push the physical world away and enter the one-ness of the universe via meditation. It's not really a faith that values community and relationships.
Buddha did leave his family. However your entire post about Buddhism is wrong.
Originally Posted by s4mb4
pffft. No faith does that. It's all a bunch of mumbo-jumbo.
I'm reminded that the KKK is a christian organiztaion.
And Al Queda and the Taliban are Islamic organizations.