The problem I'm having is that the 4Gb of ram is so clearly not enough that I doubt 8 will solve my problems; perhaps one of the techies who reads this can tell me: Is there a way to put 16 Gb in a 2010 MBPro and would a 15" MBA have the space for 16 Gb?
I have the 13 inch air and real world speed test compared my early 2011 Macbook Pro is unbelievable. Everything you do is instant and it makes the Pro seem really slow in comparison. It's about as fast as my iPad 2 and even the startup and restart times are superfast (around or less than 20 seconds) It's crazy expensive though but it's worth every penny. I think the 256gb is worth the extra 300 over the 128gb hdd and I'm considering getting a portable HDD for my Air. I really don't want to carry around too much bulk and I would love to see an affordable tb flash drive one day
I have to say... I upgraded my early 2011 MBP 13" with an OCW 128GB SSD + 8GB of RAM and it's pretty damn speedy. Start up, shut down and app open times are almost as quick as my MBA 13". I am salivating at how speedy an MBA-like MBP 15" would be, especially with a discreet graphics card. My MBP will be up so sale immediately once the specs are finalized and released!
Into this void of information about future MacBook Pros, you will project your deepest hopes and wildest dreams, and AI will post its rampant speculation. And when Apple fails to deliver everything you've imagined in the next MacBook Pro, you will label it a failure.
Into this void of information about future MacBook Pros, you will project your deepest hopes and wildest dreams, and AI will post its rampant speculation. And when Apple fails to deliver everything you've imagined in the next MacBook Pro, you will label it a failure.
That's how the other side of the coin for a company that is super secret about its plans, but I think it's safe bet with this silent update last week that the next MBP update will be a MBA-esque case re-design with the ODD removed.
What I think is less predictable is if the MBPs will get on-board RAM. I would wager against it, but that is one area I think Apple might be oblivious to customer wants as they push the 'PC' further into the just another CE domain.
Even less certain seems to be when the HiDPI and IPS displays will start arriving on notebooks without getting any less battery usage.
It's about time that they ditched the optical drive. It should have been done years ago.
I have a 2007 Macbook that I still use sometimes, and I can count the number of times that I've used the optical drive on one hand. Heck, I can probably count it on one finger. If anybody needs one, then quit your whining, you are part of an extremely tiny minority, and just pick up an external drive.
If Apple is going to make super thin Macbook Pros, then what's to differentiate between the Pros and the Airs? Perhaps the two lines will merge into one.
My guess, is that the 13" MB Pro as we know it will be retired. Anybody wanting a 13" Mac portable will have no choice but to look to the 13" MBA. My prediction is the following;
MBA lines - 11" to 15" screen, dual-core Ivy Bridge CPU & integrated GPU
MB Pro line - 15" to 17" screen, quad-core Ivy Bridge CPU & Discreet AMD GPU
Yes and no. I have a feeling that they will not make a 15" Air but they will make the 15" and 17" models Pro models due to the discrete graphics and extra HDD as compared to the Air line.
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The problem I'm having is that the 4Gb of ram is so clearly not enough that I doubt 8 will solve my problems; perhaps one of the techies who reads this can tell me: Is there a way to put 16 Gb in a 2010 MBPro and would a 15" MBA have the space for 16 Gb?
thanks
Yes the Pros can take 16GB ram but its hell expensive atm.
It would just be a matter of replacing (soldering on new chips not replace modules) the ram chips from 2->4 or from 4->8 on the Air range. Unfortunately you can not do this yourself.
What i would like to see is that the 11" and 13" models stay as the base with up to 4GB ram on them.
Then the 15" and 17" Pro models you can either get 8GB or 16GB soldered onboard (8GB as base for the Pro line).
As for the HD a 128GB would suffice for most peoples needs with a 750gb HDD as secondary, with the ability to upgrade to 256GB main drives and up too 512GB SSD as secondary.
This would be super fast and portable, if they were to trim the size of the chassis to make it more "Air like" then it would mean that the 15" would weigh a fraction of the current model but with more power, thus negating the argument of the 15" is too heavy for daily carting around.
"The new notebooks were a minor update ahead of the holiday buying season, believed to be an attempt to keep the MacBook Pro lineup competitive until a major refresh occurs next year."
Does the author believe that a 2.4GHz machine is competitive but a 2.3GHz machine is not?
The problem I'm having is that the 4Gb of ram is so clearly not enough that I doubt 8 will solve my problems; perhaps one of the techies who reads this can tell me: Is there a way to put 16 Gb in a 2010 MBPro and would a 15" MBA have the space for 16 Gb?
thanks
I don't believe so. I know the 2011 MBP will take 16 GB ($595), but the 2010 model is listed as maxing out at 8 (using macsales.com where I buy a lot of Mac upgrades).
It is sometimes possible to use a larger RAM upgrade than Apple's stated specs, but if that were the case, macsales would probably show 16 GB on the 2010 model. Other sites also show 8 GB as being the max for this model.
I have the 2010 MBP 13" model and I love it. Its the entry level bottom of the line model, but here I sit typing on it, while my giant 1400 dollar PC sits idle. I am waiting to see what will happen to the 13" series in 2012 or even might consider moving to the 15" inch and retiring my tower. At this point it would be less powerful except for the video cart (maybe).
My one issue with SSD's is they have a limited re-write capacity,hopefully we can overcome this hurdle then ill spring for an MBA
Any drive will eventually die. Even current SSDs will probably outlive the computer's useful life before they start to fail. If not, by the time they do they'll be cheap enough to replace with larger capacity drives anyway.
My one issue with SSD's is they have a limited re-write capacity,hopefully we can overcome this hurdle then ill spring for an MBA
But what is that limit and how many folks with use it up before they would simply want to get a new computer. Last I looked it was something like 100k and that was 5 year old data.
And who knows, by the time Apple takes the pros to SSD only there could be some crazy new drives with 100 million rewrite per block
If those are your only qualifiers then there is the MBA.
I want dedicated graphics and high performance processor and 15". I want a MacBook Pro that is lighter and thinner because it isn't hampered by ancient spinning technology.
I want dedicated graphics and high performance processor and 15". I want a MacBook Pro that is lighter and thinner because it isn't hampered by ancient spinning technology.
But what about storage capacity? I don't want to be limited to a 256GB SSD card (that I don't think is even on the market yet) that costs $500. I like my 1TB+80GB setup. My system boots in 10 seconds and apps open with a single Dock bounce. Having an SSD for booting and apps paired with an HDD for data gives you the best of both worlds for a low cost per GB.
The problem I'm having is that the 4Gb of ram is so clearly not enough that I doubt 8 will solve my problems; perhaps one of the techies who reads this can tell me: Is there a way to put 16 Gb in a 2010 MBPro and would a 15" MBA have the space for 16 Gb?
thanks
2010 model can't take above 8.
You have to understand how the Airs are constructed. Apple does not provide a retail option for 16GB (large "b" otherwise you're saying gigabits) on the macbook pros currently. This option is handled by third parties. On the macbook airs no third party ram options exist because it's soldered into the logic board.
Now if they constructed an ultra thin 15", they may go the same direction as the current air (soldered in) so it's up to Apple to decide when the option for higher ram capacity appears. In this scenario I wouldn't expect it right away (my guess is 2013 if we're talking about seeing this in a form factor similar to the air).
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Will this 15 in have any sort of dedicated graphics card?? like the 15 & 17in MBP have?? If it has one then i am all for it
No one on here can answer that for you. This article is just based on rumors, and none of them have indicated anything on the status of potential gpus.
I wonder if eventually we will no longer have need for "Laptops", but we will be using Tablets or iPad's for all our computing needs. Also if we were to need any type of optical drive we could drive share with our Desktops. If we don't have a desktop we could use a means like iCloud and the App Store to use and retrieve data. Actually I like using multi gestures on my iPad and not using a track pad on my macbook pro.
Where do you see this going? Will we be using Tablet type devices only in 10 years? Will we see one version of the MacBook Pro and three versions of the iPad?
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I have the 13 inch air and real world speed test compared my early 2011 Macbook Pro is unbelievable. Everything you do is instant and it makes the Pro seem really slow in comparison. It's about as fast as my iPad 2 and even the startup and restart times are superfast (around or less than 20 seconds) It's crazy expensive though but it's worth every penny. I think the 256gb is worth the extra 300 over the 128gb hdd and I'm considering getting a portable HDD for my Air. I really don't want to carry around too much bulk and I would love to see an affordable tb flash drive one day
I have to say... I upgraded my early 2011 MBP 13" with an OCW 128GB SSD + 8GB of RAM and it's pretty damn speedy. Start up, shut down and app open times are almost as quick as my MBA 13". I am salivating at how speedy an MBA-like MBP 15" would be, especially with a discreet graphics card. My MBP will be up so sale immediately once the specs are finalized and released!
Into this void of information about future MacBook Pros, you will project your deepest hopes and wildest dreams, and AI will post its rampant speculation. And when Apple fails to deliver everything you've imagined in the next MacBook Pro, you will label it a failure.
That's how the other side of the coin for a company that is super secret about its plans, but I think it's safe bet with this silent update last week that the next MBP update will be a MBA-esque case re-design with the ODD removed.
What I think is less predictable is if the MBPs will get on-board RAM. I would wager against it, but that is one area I think Apple might be oblivious to customer wants as they push the 'PC' further into the just another CE domain.
Even less certain seems to be when the HiDPI and IPS displays will start arriving on notebooks without getting any less battery usage.
I have a 2007 Macbook that I still use sometimes, and I can count the number of times that I've used the optical drive on one hand. Heck, I can probably count it on one finger. If anybody needs one, then quit your whining, you are part of an extremely tiny minority, and just pick up an external drive.
If Apple is going to make super thin Macbook Pros, then what's to differentiate between the Pros and the Airs? Perhaps the two lines will merge into one.
My guess, is that the 13" MB Pro as we know it will be retired. Anybody wanting a 13" Mac portable will have no choice but to look to the 13" MBA. My prediction is the following;
MBA lines - 11" to 15" screen, dual-core Ivy Bridge CPU & integrated GPU
MB Pro line - 15" to 17" screen, quad-core Ivy Bridge CPU & Discreet AMD GPU
Yes and no. I have a feeling that they will not make a 15" Air but they will make the 15" and 17" models Pro models due to the discrete graphics and extra HDD as compared to the Air line.
The problem I'm having is that the 4Gb of ram is so clearly not enough that I doubt 8 will solve my problems; perhaps one of the techies who reads this can tell me: Is there a way to put 16 Gb in a 2010 MBPro and would a 15" MBA have the space for 16 Gb?
thanks
Yes the Pros can take 16GB ram but its hell expensive atm.
It would just be a matter of replacing (soldering on new chips not replace modules) the ram chips from 2->4 or from 4->8 on the Air range. Unfortunately you can not do this yourself.
What i would like to see is that the 11" and 13" models stay as the base with up to 4GB ram on them.
Then the 15" and 17" Pro models you can either get 8GB or 16GB soldered onboard (8GB as base for the Pro line).
As for the HD a 128GB would suffice for most peoples needs with a 750gb HDD as secondary, with the ability to upgrade to 256GB main drives and up too 512GB SSD as secondary.
This would be super fast and portable, if they were to trim the size of the chassis to make it more "Air like" then it would mean that the 15" would weigh a fraction of the current model but with more power, thus negating the argument of the 15" is too heavy for daily carting around.
"The new notebooks were a minor update ahead of the holiday buying season, believed to be an attempt to keep the MacBook Pro lineup competitive until a major refresh occurs next year."
Does the author believe that a 2.4GHz machine is competitive but a 2.3GHz machine is not?
Apparently yes
The problem I'm having is that the 4Gb of ram is so clearly not enough that I doubt 8 will solve my problems; perhaps one of the techies who reads this can tell me: Is there a way to put 16 Gb in a 2010 MBPro and would a 15" MBA have the space for 16 Gb?
thanks
I don't believe so. I know the 2011 MBP will take 16 GB ($595), but the 2010 model is listed as maxing out at 8 (using macsales.com where I buy a lot of Mac upgrades).
It is sometimes possible to use a larger RAM upgrade than Apple's stated specs, but if that were the case, macsales would probably show 16 GB on the 2010 model. Other sites also show 8 GB as being the max for this model.
My one issue with SSD's is they have a limited re-write capacity,hopefully we can overcome this hurdle then ill spring for an MBA
Any drive will eventually die. Even current SSDs will probably outlive the computer's useful life before they start to fail. If not, by the time they do they'll be cheap enough to replace with larger capacity drives anyway.
My one issue with SSD's is they have a limited re-write capacity,hopefully we can overcome this hurdle then ill spring for an MBA
But what is that limit and how many folks with use it up before they would simply want to get a new computer. Last I looked it was something like 100k and that was 5 year old data.
And who knows, by the time Apple takes the pros to SSD only there could be some crazy new drives with 100 million rewrite per block
If those are your only qualifiers then there is the MBA.
I want dedicated graphics and high performance processor and 15". I want a MacBook Pro that is lighter and thinner because it isn't hampered by ancient spinning technology.
I want dedicated graphics and high performance processor and 15". I want a MacBook Pro that is lighter and thinner because it isn't hampered by ancient spinning technology.
But what about storage capacity? I don't want to be limited to a 256GB SSD card (that I don't think is even on the market yet) that costs $500. I like my 1TB+80GB setup. My system boots in 10 seconds and apps open with a single Dock bounce. Having an SSD for booting and apps paired with an HDD for data gives you the best of both worlds for a low cost per GB.
The problem I'm having is that the 4Gb of ram is so clearly not enough that I doubt 8 will solve my problems; perhaps one of the techies who reads this can tell me: Is there a way to put 16 Gb in a 2010 MBPro and would a 15" MBA have the space for 16 Gb?
thanks
2010 model can't take above 8.
You have to understand how the Airs are constructed. Apple does not provide a retail option for 16GB (large "b" otherwise you're saying gigabits) on the macbook pros currently. This option is handled by third parties. On the macbook airs no third party ram options exist because it's soldered into the logic board.
Now if they constructed an ultra thin 15", they may go the same direction as the current air (soldered in) so it's up to Apple to decide when the option for higher ram capacity appears. In this scenario I wouldn't expect it right away (my guess is 2013 if we're talking about seeing this in a form factor similar to the air).
Will this 15 in have any sort of dedicated graphics card?? like the 15 & 17in MBP have?? If it has one then i am all for it
No one on here can answer that for you. This article is just based on rumors, and none of them have indicated anything on the status of potential gpus.
That's how the other side of the coin for a company that is super secret about its plans
then in that case, I'll take mine with the unobtanium case, 2TB of SSD, retina display, and backlit keyboard with massaging wrist rests.
then in that case, I'll take mine with the unobtanium case, 2TB of SSD, retina display, and backlit keyboard with massaging wrist rests.
Retina Display? That's soooo 2010. I fully expect OpticNervana® in the next MBPs.
Where do you see this going? Will we be using Tablet type devices only in 10 years? Will we see one version of the MacBook Pro and three versions of the iPad?
If those are your only qualifiers then there is the MBA.
people want a 15" MBA with 8 gigs of RAM.
Retina Display? That's soooo 2010. I fully expect OpticNervana® in the next MBPs.
I am sorry. But what is "OpticNervana®"?