Oh HO! You say our friends are cooking the books!?
And that their stats are intentionally skewed for subversive, profit-motivated reasons?
Wow. That's pretty extreme.
It is really a question of where the iPad fits. Statcounter does not include it in "mobile" data period. On the desktop it only shows up in the US data as allowing iOS to take 5th place (displacing Linux) under OS share. Everyplace else, they show the iPad as part of "other".
All other web tracking sites have been including the iPad as either a separately tracked item or under mobile for the past 9+ months.
Apple led the way with the death of the 5 1/4" floppy.
Apple led the way with the death of the 3 1/2" floppy.
Apple led the way with the death of RS-232 and Centronics printer interfaces.
I can go on all day with this. Apple does lead the way and, more often than not, leads major shift in technologies and sees what is a dead end. Flash is a dead end.
Likewise, when those 8% represent 20% of the buying power of consumers, you don't discount those people.
Interesting in the bar chart at the link you showed:
-- Opera is 1st
-- iPhone and Android are about even (iPhone slightly ahead)
-- iPod Touch is shown separately
-- iPad is not shown at all
-- Other is almost as much as iPod Touch
Apparently, Android is for all Android devices -- including all size tablets, forked OS implementations, etc.
Shouldn't the caparison be all iOS mobile devices to all Android moble devices?
Therefore shouldn't iOS include iPhone, iPod Touch and some portion of other?
If true, wouldn't iOS, in fact, be 1st?
is the Opera figure really meaningful here as it is available on most platforms (including: Android, iPhone, iPad and iPod Touch)?
What is the chart attempting to show: OSes? Device Categories? Device Manufacturers? Browser Popularity?
The classifications make no sense at all!
I guess the statisticians can slice and dice anyway they want to portray the desired result!
You can change pretty much anything you would like to on the graph which was linked to. Click on the key to add or subtract data. Use the pull-down menus to get different categories. I can't vouch for any accuracy, but the web tool is very nicely done.
I wish iOS would better buffer visited pages, every time I browse back on an iOS device it has to reload the page from the web. Very annoying, can't they just buffer it FGS?
That way I could just leave it on the MSNBC page from last Thursday, showing stocks up hundreds. Seeing this "current" news is for the birds.
What may be interesting is if, when and how Amazon Silk and Siri skew these browser activity stats.
Siri gives the user the option to soft-fail through to a browser search -- these likely will be counted as an iOS iPhone browser hit.
Often, Siri (and Silk) servers will perform multi-site searching/caching/aggregating on behalf of the user -- how and where will these hits be counted?
Google does the same with its servers... I don't know about Yahoo and Bing -- how and where are these hits counted?
I suspect that the concept of an intelligent assistant will take off and account for a lot of web activity that is currently tallied as web site or search engine hits.
At some point, the search and web hits, the ads they deliver and the data mining they perform will become less meaningful.
I wonder if there are mechanisms that the statisticians can use to measure Silk and Siri web/Internet activity.
I wonder if they will have the balls to report it!
Yet, this AI article shows Android vs iOS browser share
19% Android
62% iOS
Some honest questions:
1) What explains for the dramatic disparity in purchases (market share) and usage (browser share)?
Different methods and sources (even time periods) should not result in so dramatic a disparity!
2) What amount of Internet activity is non-browser-related (access via apps)?
I assume the iOS non-browser activity is greater than Android because there are, reportably, a greater number apps available and installed on iOS devices. This is a common argument from proponents of Android,
Also it is in Android's (Google's) interest to channel activity through the brewer for data mining and ads -- while iOS's (Apple's) motivation is just the opposite.
1. The report on which the new story is premised is Internet browser usage for certain, specific website (~60,000 websites, though) while the Canalys report is smart phone market estimates (presumably based on Google's reported activations since Google doesn't provide sales data). The website referenced also contrasts Android (which theoretically could be any type of device using Android) versus the Apple iPhone (and only the iPhone, not iPod Touch or iPad). http://searchenginewatch.com/article...s-Second-Place
2. I am not sure I follow your question. I read the data differently. Apple iPhones clearly use far more data based on the report which is the premise of this news story. It occurs to me that proponents of Android would argue that they use Apps far more and thus their data usage isn't clearly delineated.
The given news story is based on a report about mobile/tablet OS market share. I fully expect Apple to win this as there isn't a market for tablets outside of iPad (and now probably Kindle which is not really a tablet). Based on my family's usage patterns I suspect tablets, on average, use far more data.
The most important notes from these types of reports are:
1. Apple dominates mobile profit share at ~66% of all profits for mobile devices and the primary source of their profits is hardware versus Google who profits from advertising on any and every device that uses Google products and services.
2. Apple has to-date paid out more money to developers than Google has made gross profit (even discounting the ~ USD $15 B paid for Motorola Mobile Inc. Thus, one can conclude that the Apple developer community is quite strong and likely to remain strong as Apple continues to grow their business. Google also has a strong developer community; I am only commenting on the strength of Apple's developer community.
3. Apple commands a significant market share of mobile Internet traffic (regardless of whether the actual figure is ~33% or ~66% doesn't really matter, the share is significant). As Apple offers more products and services as alternatives to Google products and services (iCloud, Maps, Siri) this is a very significant threat to Google. Google has even admitted that the lion's share (~66%) of their mobile profits is derived from services provided to Apple iPhones.
4. Apple continues to thoughtfully grow their business by opening new markets, new carriers and new price points to their products and services. At an already significant ~25% of smart phone hardware sales, opening their devices to new users will almost certainly sustain or even continue to grow their business.
5. Apple products and services in proven markets consistently provide the highest levels of customer satisfaction. In fact, in some markets the difference between Apple and the nearest competitor in terms of customer satisfaction is so absurd as to almost be unbelievable. With such customer satisfaction, we can conclude most customers will continue to use Apple products and services and may even succumb to the horrible "halo effect" (heaven forbid!).
You need to look at the installed base, and not the market share. That may be the source of the confusion.
Anyways, what I was wondering was how you conclude that "a lot of Android buyers don't know they are getting Android".
There are many "free" android phone options that customers will get because the sales guy pushes them. They don't care what the OS is. How may people knew they were using Symbian before? Techies, otoh, know what they want when they go into a store.
whats adobe got to do with it? they dont make a pc or mobile OS. do you actually know what youre talking about?
your use of the phrase 'hahaha' makes you sound like an immature 15 yr old, and the complete lack of relavance or intelligence in your comment just backs that up.
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Oh HO! You say our friends are cooking the books!?
And that their stats are intentionally skewed for subversive, profit-motivated reasons?
Wow. That's pretty extreme.
It is really a question of where the iPad fits. Statcounter does not include it in "mobile" data period. On the desktop it only shows up in the US data as allowing iOS to take 5th place (displacing Linux) under OS share. Everyplace else, they show the iPad as part of "other".
All other web tracking sites have been including the iPad as either a separately tracked item or under mobile for the past 9+ months.
We all like beer I think.
...sorry the beer made me a bit typsy... and I made a tipo...
or
...I haven't been weighed in a week -- and I feel wowsy...
hahahaha!
so total OSX desktop share is 6.94%
http://www.netmarketshare.com/operat...=8&qpcustomd=0
and total iOS global share is 60% of 5.51% (total mobile actually fell 0.4%)
http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=61
Adobe is shaking in their boots
Apple led the way with the death of the 5 1/4" floppy.
Apple led the way with the death of the 3 1/2" floppy.
Apple led the way with the death of RS-232 and Centronics printer interfaces.
I can go on all day with this. Apple does lead the way and, more often than not, leads major shift in technologies and sees what is a dead end. Flash is a dead end.
Likewise, when those 8% represent 20% of the buying power of consumers, you don't discount those people.
LOL. Ha ha ha...
Interesting in the bar chart at the link you showed:
-- Opera is 1st
-- iPhone and Android are about even (iPhone slightly ahead)
-- iPod Touch is shown separately
-- iPad is not shown at all
-- Other is almost as much as iPod Touch
Apparently, Android is for all Android devices -- including all size tablets, forked OS implementations, etc.
Shouldn't the caparison be all iOS mobile devices to all Android moble devices?
Therefore shouldn't iOS include iPhone, iPod Touch and some portion of other?
If true, wouldn't iOS, in fact, be 1st?
is the Opera figure really meaningful here as it is available on most platforms (including: Android, iPhone, iPad and iPod Touch)?
What is the chart attempting to show: OSes? Device Categories? Device Manufacturers? Browser Popularity?
The classifications make no sense at all!
I guess the statisticians can slice and dice anyway they want to portray the desired result!
You can change pretty much anything you would like to on the graph which was linked to. Click on the key to add or subtract data. Use the pull-down menus to get different categories. I can't vouch for any accuracy, but the web tool is very nicely done.
I wish iOS would better buffer visited pages, every time I browse back on an iOS device it has to reload the page from the web. Very annoying, can't they just buffer it FGS?
That way I could just leave it on the MSNBC page from last Thursday, showing stocks up hundreds. Seeing this "current" news is for the birds.
What may be interesting is if, when and how Amazon Silk and Siri skew these browser activity stats.
Siri gives the user the option to soft-fail through to a browser search -- these likely will be counted as an iOS iPhone browser hit.
Often, Siri (and Silk) servers will perform multi-site searching/caching/aggregating on behalf of the user -- how and where will these hits be counted?
Google does the same with its servers... I don't know about Yahoo and Bing -- how and where are these hits counted?
I suspect that the concept of an intelligent assistant will take off and account for a lot of web activity that is currently tallied as web site or search engine hits.
At some point, the search and web hits, the ads they deliver and the data mining they perform will become less meaningful.
I wonder if there are mechanisms that the statisticians can use to measure Silk and Siri web/Internet activity.
I wonder if they will have the balls to report it!
This link show Android vs OS market share:
Google Android Nears 50% Market Share, iOS Reaches Second Place
48% Android:
19% iOS
Yet, this AI article shows Android vs iOS browser share
19% Android
62% iOS
Some honest questions:
1) What explains for the dramatic disparity in purchases (market share) and usage (browser share)?
Different methods and sources (even time periods) should not result in so dramatic a disparity!
2) What amount of Internet activity is non-browser-related (access via apps)?
I assume the iOS non-browser activity is greater than Android because there are, reportably, a greater number apps available and installed on iOS devices. This is a common argument from proponents of Android,
Also it is in Android's (Google's) interest to channel activity through the brewer for data mining and ads -- while iOS's (Apple's) motivation is just the opposite.
1. The report on which the new story is premised is Internet browser usage for certain, specific website (~60,000 websites, though) while the Canalys report is smart phone market estimates (presumably based on Google's reported activations since Google doesn't provide sales data). The website referenced also contrasts Android (which theoretically could be any type of device using Android) versus the Apple iPhone (and only the iPhone, not iPod Touch or iPad). http://searchenginewatch.com/article...s-Second-Place
2. I am not sure I follow your question. I read the data differently. Apple iPhones clearly use far more data based on the report which is the premise of this news story. It occurs to me that proponents of Android would argue that they use Apps far more and thus their data usage isn't clearly delineated.
The given news story is based on a report about mobile/tablet OS market share. I fully expect Apple to win this as there isn't a market for tablets outside of iPad (and now probably Kindle which is not really a tablet). Based on my family's usage patterns I suspect tablets, on average, use far more data.
The most important notes from these types of reports are:
1. Apple dominates mobile profit share at ~66% of all profits for mobile devices and the primary source of their profits is hardware versus Google who profits from advertising on any and every device that uses Google products and services.
2. Apple has to-date paid out more money to developers than Google has made gross profit (even discounting the ~ USD $15 B paid for Motorola Mobile Inc. Thus, one can conclude that the Apple developer community is quite strong and likely to remain strong as Apple continues to grow their business. Google also has a strong developer community; I am only commenting on the strength of Apple's developer community.
3. Apple commands a significant market share of mobile Internet traffic (regardless of whether the actual figure is ~33% or ~66% doesn't really matter, the share is significant). As Apple offers more products and services as alternatives to Google products and services (iCloud, Maps, Siri) this is a very significant threat to Google. Google has even admitted that the lion's share (~66%) of their mobile profits is derived from services provided to Apple iPhones.
4. Apple continues to thoughtfully grow their business by opening new markets, new carriers and new price points to their products and services. At an already significant ~25% of smart phone hardware sales, opening their devices to new users will almost certainly sustain or even continue to grow their business.
5. Apple products and services in proven markets consistently provide the highest levels of customer satisfaction. In fact, in some markets the difference between Apple and the nearest competitor in terms of customer satisfaction is so absurd as to almost be unbelievable. With such customer satisfaction, we can conclude most customers will continue to use Apple products and services and may even succumb to the horrible "halo effect" (heaven forbid!).
i'd like to see how iOS does on the desktop browsing chart. i hardly ever browse on my Mac since i got my iPad.
See the post title.
You need to look at the installed base, and not the market share. That may be the source of the confusion.
Anyways, what I was wondering was how you conclude that "a lot of Android buyers don't know they are getting Android".
There are many "free" android phone options that customers will get because the sales guy pushes them. They don't care what the OS is. How may people knew they were using Symbian before? Techies, otoh, know what they want when they go into a store.
See the post title.
yes, Mac OS hits 6.9% in desktop browser share.
iOS takes 62% of mobile browser share.
what i want to know is how much total browser share iOS takes. (mobile and desktop combined).
That way I could just leave it on the MSNBC page from last Thursday, showing stocks up hundreds. Seeing this "current" news is for the birds.
There's an app for that
yes, Mac OS hits 6.9% in desktop browser share.
iOS takes 62% of mobile browser share.
what i want to know is how much total browser share iOS takes. (mobile and desktop combined).
About 0.51%
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_mobile.asp
hahahaha!
so total OSX desktop share is 6.94%
http://www.netmarketshare.com/operat...=8&qpcustomd=0
and total iOS global share is 60% of 5.51% (total mobile actually fell 0.4%)
http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=61
Adobe is shaking in their boots
whats adobe got to do with it? they dont make a pc or mobile OS. do you actually know what youre talking about?
your use of the phrase 'hahaha' makes you sound like an immature 15 yr old, and the complete lack of relavance or intelligence in your comment just backs that up.
...you sound like an immature 15 yr old...
...lack of relavance or intelligence...
Why do we have to put up with this sort of stuff so often?