No. I have little interest in biographies. I also haven't watched any of the specials on Jobs, including the event held at Apple HQ. I'll likely get to a couple of the specials, but I'm more interested with the innovations and works of famous people than in the people themselves. Since I am well aware of Jobs efforts having been a long time Apple user too much will be a repeat of information and anything non-technical (aka, about his family life) I simply don't care about as that's his private life, not mine.
Just because you lose a lawsuit doesn't mean the lawsuit was bogus. If Apple's claims were reasonable, although ruled incorrect, this doesn't mean Apple filed a bogus lawsuit. Moreover, Apple probably still has appeal rights, and was fighting in a foreign forum again a local company. In my mind, the competing product looked a lot like an iPad. In the US that would subject a party to possible patent, copyright, and trademark causes of action.
As far as freeze g the product goes, that is the same thing companies in the US are trying to do to Apple and Apple is trying to do to other companies by filing ITC complaints. It is just in some other countries those issues are worked out differently.
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I snipped the misapprehensions concerning Trademark law.
And I point out that even if you were correct about Trademark law, Apple filed a bogus Patent Infringement claim.
There is no requirement to file bogus lawsuits in order to preserve patents.
Apple is just trying to bully little companies. They say that when you stand up to a bully, they will back down. I certainly hope that it works in this situation, and that the company which Apple victimized is fully compensated by Apple for their abuse.
It clearly IS copying the iPad’s look—without seeing the iPad, they’d never have made it look the way it does. Tablets don’t HAVE to look like iPads, and not all of them do.
But it’s not copying nearly as closely as some. I’m not surprised they lost.
And in defending patents/trade dress/etc, legally I don’t think Apple CAN choose to let the “little guy” get away with it. They have to defend their creations from everyone. Sometimes they lose.
There were many tablets released before the iPad. Take this one for example - in stores in the last quarter of 2009
"moral damages"... Yup, sounds like a company of Fandroids
They really should just file their "socialist" FSF manifesto with the Spanish courts as proof of "moral damages". That's the subtext behind this lawsuit, some kind of moral crusade, originally started by Richard Stallman against evil greedy capitalists like Apple would seek to limit our "freedom" to copy content and ideas. That's what it's really about, isn't it? Some kind of ideological difference. The freedom, the moral right to take from Apple and profit. Who needs an industrial design staff when you can wait for Jony Ive to do the work and just do whatever he did. I hope the back of NT-K pad says "Desgined in California by Jony Ive".
I'm sure they have lawyers that are smart enough to know how to spell the word "designed"... haha
[...] Moreover, Apple probably still has appeal rights, and was fighting in a foreign forum again a local company. In my mind, the competing product looked a lot like an iPad. In the US that would subject a party to possible patent, copyright, and trademark causes of action [...]
Agree. There's the small issue of "trade dress," which Apple has used successfully. The (rather ugly) little Spanish xPad does have a wide-screen form factor and more squarish corners than iPad, so maybe they can sneak by. (And Samsung, if you're listening, two words: "square corners.")
We'll see if the Spanish xPad sells in Australia and Germany. No home field advantage there.
Apple must be thrilled that all the wannabes are getting stuck at square one. The hardware design. Easily copied, as we've seen. Lots of xPad wannabes out there.
Step two, which is vastly harder, is the OS design. The general look-and-feel, the API for developers. Hard to copy, but Google has tried mightily. Google is still trying to hammer out all the kinks in Android. All the forks, the fragmented GUI experience, the whole big ugly mess. Microsoft is hoping to avoid all that. Good luck.
Step three, which is vastly harder yet again, is the software ecosystem built around the OS. The app store, the apps, building developer relations etc. This is where Apple's attention to detail helped them succeed. 500k+ apps, over 15 billion apps downloaded, $$$ billions paid to developers. Impossible to just copy. Your platform (hardware + OS) needs to actually be popular. Being popular is hard.
Step four, the holy grail, is an infrastructure that the hardware, OS, and software ecosystem all use to access and purchase content. iTunes, then iTunes Store, and now iCloud are all crucial elements in Apple's infrastructure. Impossible to copy overnight. It took Apple a decade to build iTunes into what it is now, and it will take Apple a decade to build iCloud out to its full potential. iCloud will pave the way for Apple's next decade of innovation.
Have fun trying to fool people with those little craplets, BoEye.
I'm wondering how much of these lawsuits were Jobs at all. To me this would seem like an overly depressing and time consuming when you have more important stuff to deal with. Leave it to the lawyers to determine who to sue and why. Same goes with Samsung. While their latest moves are desperate they actions that I'd think any multi-national company respond even if knowing they won't win.
They're ALL from SJ. How can you forget what SJ said about Android? SJ was after any company that uses Android. Apple is not the same w/o SJ and now Apple fans are not the same w/o him too, sighhh...
They're ALL from SJ. How can you forget what SJ said about Android? SJ was after any company that uses Android. Apple is not the same w/o SJ and now Apple fans are not the same w/o him too, sighhh...
global ignore list is known internally as "Tachy Goes to Coventry". A user who has been sent to Coventry can see their posts, but all other users do not.
Ooooo.... I like that idea...
With one slight change: The Coventry users can see their own posts and the posts of all the other Tachys.... and commiserate among themselves
With one slight change: The Coventry users can see their own posts and the posts of all the other Tachys.... and commiserate among themselves
How do you know these things?
I'd prefer whichever of these is the banned one being able to make new posts, hit the Submit button, have everything look fine, but absolutely nothing actually happens.
Let them waste their time writing posts that get deleted the second they're posted.
Bullying little companies that don't even compete, much less infringe?
Criminal charges which lack sufficient justification?
What's next, hunting down and kidnapping family members of competitor's employees?
Apple is the next Microsoft. Kill the competition however small they may be. Sue god for making a fruit and naming it apple plus making it the shape of their insignia.
Essentially, but instead of showing his posts with the word banned under his name, he was put on the global ignore list built into vBulletin. basically it means only the mods can see him post and until we made mention of his posts vanishing he wouldn't have known we can't see his posts until he logged out of AI to see why people weren't responding to him.
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Did you not read his biography?
No. I have little interest in biographies. I also haven't watched any of the specials on Jobs, including the event held at Apple HQ. I'll likely get to a couple of the specials, but I'm more interested with the innovations and works of famous people than in the people themselves. Since I am well aware of Jobs efforts having been a long time Apple user too much will be a repeat of information and anything non-technical (aka, about his family life) I simply don't care about as that's his private life, not mine.
Might help them to get a peek at iOS 5 source code. (Not.)
But still, that particular takeover would have some entertainment value. Would be really
funny to see Koreans trying to speak Castilian Spanish...
They took out the flea, iKol, now it's time to go for the horsefly.
That's why this showed 2 pages and only the first would load. They sent Tachy to Coventry. (See last entry under Later Use: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Send_to_Coventry#Later_use)
As far as freeze g the product goes, that is the same thing companies in the US are trying to do to Apple and Apple is trying to do to other companies by filing ITC complaints. It is just in some other countries those issues are worked out differently.
I snipped the misapprehensions concerning Trademark law.
And I point out that even if you were correct about Trademark law, Apple filed a bogus Patent Infringement claim.
There is no requirement to file bogus lawsuits in order to preserve patents.
Apple is just trying to bully little companies. They say that when you stand up to a bully, they will back down. I certainly hope that it works in this situation, and that the company which Apple victimized is fully compensated by Apple for their abuse.
It clearly IS copying the iPad’s look—without seeing the iPad, they’d never have made it look the way it does. Tablets don’t HAVE to look like iPads, and not all of them do.
But it’s not copying nearly as closely as some. I’m not surprised they lost.
And in defending patents/trade dress/etc, legally I don’t think Apple CAN choose to let the “little guy” get away with it. They have to defend their creations from everyone. Sometimes they lose.
There were many tablets released before the iPad. Take this one for example - in stores in the last quarter of 2009
http://www.gadgetfolder.com/boeye-mi...d-powered.html
There were many tablets released before the iPad. Take this one for example - on stores in the last quarter of 2009
http://www.pocketables.net/2009/11/b...esthetics.html
Apple did what was logical - took a minimalistic phone design and applied it to tablets, just like other companies were doing at the time.
It pre-dates the iPad but that doesn't mean it is original. That is an iPhone KIRF that clearly violates Apple's design patents.
"moral damages"... Yup, sounds like a company of Fandroids
They really should just file their "socialist" FSF manifesto with the Spanish courts as proof of "moral damages". That's the subtext behind this lawsuit, some kind of moral crusade, originally started by Richard Stallman against evil greedy capitalists like Apple would seek to limit our "freedom" to copy content and ideas. That's what it's really about, isn't it? Some kind of ideological difference. The freedom, the moral right to take from Apple and profit. Who needs an industrial design staff when you can wait for Jony Ive to do the work and just do whatever he did. I hope the back of NT-K pad says "Desgined in California by Jony Ive".
I'm sure they have lawyers that are smart enough to know how to spell the word "designed"... haha
[...] Moreover, Apple probably still has appeal rights, and was fighting in a foreign forum again a local company. In my mind, the competing product looked a lot like an iPad. In the US that would subject a party to possible patent, copyright, and trademark causes of action [...]
Agree. There's the small issue of "trade dress," which Apple has used successfully. The (rather ugly) little Spanish xPad does have a wide-screen form factor and more squarish corners than iPad, so maybe they can sneak by. (And Samsung, if you're listening, two words: "square corners.")
We'll see if the Spanish xPad sells in Australia and Germany. No home field advantage there.
Maybe this will cause some soul-searching at Apple.
Apple no longer have a soul, it was killed and eaten by iGreed. RIP
There were many tablets released before the iPad. Take this one for example - in stores in the last quarter of 2009
http://www.gadgetfolder.com/boeye-mi...d-powered.html
OMG. That's the textbook definition of "craplet."
Apple must be thrilled that all the wannabes are getting stuck at square one. The hardware design. Easily copied, as we've seen. Lots of xPad wannabes out there.
Step two, which is vastly harder, is the OS design. The general look-and-feel, the API for developers. Hard to copy, but Google has tried mightily. Google is still trying to hammer out all the kinks in Android. All the forks, the fragmented GUI experience, the whole big ugly mess. Microsoft is hoping to avoid all that. Good luck.
Step three, which is vastly harder yet again, is the software ecosystem built around the OS. The app store, the apps, building developer relations etc. This is where Apple's attention to detail helped them succeed. 500k+ apps, over 15 billion apps downloaded, $$$ billions paid to developers. Impossible to just copy. Your platform (hardware + OS) needs to actually be popular. Being popular is hard.
Step four, the holy grail, is an infrastructure that the hardware, OS, and software ecosystem all use to access and purchase content. iTunes, then iTunes Store, and now iCloud are all crucial elements in Apple's infrastructure. Impossible to copy overnight. It took Apple a decade to build iTunes into what it is now, and it will take Apple a decade to build iCloud out to its full potential. iCloud will pave the way for Apple's next decade of innovation.
Have fun trying to fool people with those little craplets, BoEye.
I'm wondering how much of these lawsuits were Jobs at all. To me this would seem like an overly depressing and time consuming when you have more important stuff to deal with. Leave it to the lawyers to determine who to sue and why. Same goes with Samsung. While their latest moves are desperate they actions that I'd think any multi-national company respond even if knowing they won't win.
They're ALL from SJ. How can you forget what SJ said about Android? SJ was after any company that uses Android. Apple is not the same w/o SJ and now Apple fans are not the same w/o him too, sighhh...
But still, that particular takeover would have some entertainment value. Would be really
funny to see Koreans trying to speak Castilian Spanish...
...Jutht what ith that thuppothed to mean?
...nenyer, neyner, neyner!
They're ALL from SJ. How can you forget what SJ said about Android? SJ was after any company that uses Android. Apple is not the same w/o SJ and now Apple fans are not the same w/o him too, sighhh...
...only the trolls are the same, more's the pity!
That's why this showed 2 pages and only the first would load. They sent Tachy to Coventry. (See last entry under Later Use: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Send_to_Coventry#Later_use)
global ignore list is known internally as "Tachy Goes to Coventry". A user who has been sent to Coventry can see their posts, but all other users do not.
Ooooo.... I like that idea...
With one slight change: The Coventry users can see their own posts and the posts of all the other Tachys.... and commiserate among themselves
How do you know these things?
Ooooo.... I like that idea...
With one slight change: The Coventry users can see their own posts and the posts of all the other Tachys.... and commiserate among themselves
How do you know these things?
I'd prefer whichever of these is the banned one being able to make new posts, hit the Submit button, have everything look fine, but absolutely nothing actually happens.
Let them waste their time writing posts that get deleted the second they're posted.
This sort of behavior is totally sleazy.
Bullying little companies that don't even compete, much less infringe?
Criminal charges which lack sufficient justification?
What's next, hunting down and kidnapping family members of competitor's employees?
Apple is the next Microsoft. Kill the competition however small they may be. Sue god for making a fruit and naming it apple plus making it the shape of their insignia.
Sue god for making a fruit and naming it apple plus making it the shape of their insignia.
Apple has the right to protect its IP.
Given the vindictive vitriol he has been quoted as spewing, my guess is 100%.
He claimed that he would spend $40,000,000,000.00, every penny Apple had at the time, in order to use the courts to hurt competitors.
He specifically referred to Android and Google. Not EVERY competitor.
They took out the flea, iKol, now it's time to go for the horsefly.
Was iKol banned?
Was iKol banned?
Essentially, but instead of showing his posts with the word banned under his name, he was put on the global ignore list built into vBulletin. basically it means only the mods can see him post and until we made mention of his posts vanishing he wouldn't have known we can't see his posts until he logged out of AI to see why people weren't responding to him.