I'm not aware that anyone ever explicitly admitted to crapware being an issue, but that was widely rumored to be a sticking-point, too.
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Originally Posted by Deewin
really glad that Apple doesn't allow preinstalled software from cell providers. None of this bloatware (remember VCAST?) no stupid cell phone logo startup screen and no silly ringtone each ringtone provider has.
Not on the iPhone, but check out the other offerings, such as Android. Do an Internet Search. Verizon is very big on installing crap ware. Not installing crap ware is something Apple has carried over from Macs.
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Originally Posted by starbird
How so? Verizon has none of those bloat ware preinstalled.
Gee I wonder where the regular trolls are saying how Apple's closed system and Android's open system is better for customers?
The world of cellphone users are better for Apple's entry into this market. NTT DoCoMo will not win here.
*snort*
The irony is when a carrier like DoCoMo says "open" they mean they want the smartphone manufacturer to open their smartphones to the carrier's preloaded shovelware, branding, and carrier-locking of frequencies and/or SIM chips. Trust me, what the carriers typically end up selling you is anything BUT "open" and what you end up getting is locked to their network.
No, that's not how it went. The conversation was much shorter.
Verizon (nervously): We have some contingencies to discuss with you.
Apple (blandly): Here's our standard contract. All our other partners signed it. If you don't like it, our Gulfstream V already has landing rights in Kansas City. We can text Dan; he'll probably send out a car to drive us to Overland Park.
The irony is when a carrier like DoCoMo says "open" they mean they want the smartphone manufacturer to open their smartphones to the carrier's preloaded shovelware, branding, and carrier-locking of frequencies and/or SIM chips. Trust me, what the carriers typically end up selling you is anything BUT "open" and what you end up getting is locked to their network.
Google talks up a good game about openness but there customers are the handset/tablet vendors and carriers, not the end users, so you end up with a closed and lock system that typically has more crapware than anything that predated Android entering the market.
Sure, you can always root your device and find some clean version of the firmware built by some coder that goes by the dubious name that included some cute play on words and a pejorative remark against Apple or Obama, but 1) can you be sure there is no spyware included in that build, 2) is this really the kind of thing these users expect the average consumer to deal with. Bottom line is you don't win mindshare by fucking your customer base with crappy pre-installed software which is why those $400 PCs you see in Office Depot are not being used for 3, 4 or 5 years like Macs.
No, that's not how it went. The conversation was much shorter.
Verizon (nervously): We have some contingencies to discuss with you.
Apple (blandly): Here's our standard contract. All our other partners signed it. If you don't like it, our Gulfstream V already has landing rights in Kansas City. We can text Dan; he'll probably send out a car to drive us to Overland Park.
Verizon (eagerly): Where do we sign?
This is how the second conversation went. When the iPhone first came out the conversation with Verizon was much more like what Simply Newton said, except that in the end neither Apple or Verizon budged. After seeing the amazing success of the iPhone on AT&T, then your conversation is correct.
Apple doesn't allow preloaded crap-ware that can't be deleted/hidden on their phones...unless Apple wants it there.
I have no use for Newstand, nor do I want it on its own page or to force it into a folder that corrupts it. I just want the option to get it off my phone. Thanks for not letting me do what I want with an app ON MY OWN PHONE Apple.
Google talks up a good game about openness but there customers are the handset/tablet vendors and carriers, not the end users, so you end up with a closed and lock system that typically has more crapware than anything that predated Android entering the market.
Sure, you can always root your device and find some clean version of the firmware built by some coder that goes by the dubious name that included some cute play on words and a pejorative remark against Apple or Obama, but 1) can you be sure there is no spyware included in that build, 2) is this really the kind of thing these users expect the average consumer to deal with. Bottom line is you don't win mindshare by fucking your customer base with crappy pre-installed software which is why those $400 PCs you see in Office Depot are not being used for 3, 4 or 5 years like Macs.
You only got it partly right, once the phone is rooted bloatware can simply be uninstalled.
Thanks for not letting me do what I want with an app ON MY OWN PHONE Apple.
"I want to put Windows Phone 7 on my iPhone because it's MY IPHONE; I can do with it what I want."
You can easily not update to iOS 5. That's doing what you want with it. I know people still on 1.1.3. 'Course, that's just because they're morons who don't know they can update.
"I want to put Windows Phone 7 on my iPhone because it's MY IPHONE; I can do with it what I want."
You can easily not update to iOS 5. That's doing what you want with it. I know people still on 1.1.3. 'Course, that's just because they're morons who don't know they can update.
I am not wanting to add anything. I should be able to take a program that isn't being used off my phone, or at least hide it in a folder. I'm not asking to delete iTunes or anything like that, but a stupid app that takes up space. Yeah, I can hide it on the last page or trick it into a folder, but that doesn't sound safe. All I want is all apps to be hideable. Even give me a setting that I can turn it on or off, at least.
And no, I can't "easily not update to iOS 5". There was no option when buying the 4S, and it would be dumb to have a 4S and not iOS 5.
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How so? Verizon has none of those bloat ware preinstalled.
I believe he means on Verizon phones in general. Obviously not the iPhone, which dampens the effectiveness of his comment somewhat.
The world of cellphone users are better for Apple's entry into this market. NTT DoCoMo will not win here.
How so? Verizon has none of those bloat ware preinstalled.
I believe he means on Verizon phones in general. Obviously not the iPhone, which dampens the effectiveness of his comment somewhat.
I'm glad you know what I meant.
I was referring to Verizon's initial rejection of the iPhone due to revenue and control of the relationship...
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/20...n-iphone_x.htm
...only to come around later.
I'm not aware that anyone ever explicitly admitted to crapware being an issue, but that was widely rumored to be a sticking-point, too.
really glad that Apple doesn't allow preinstalled software from cell providers. None of this bloatware (remember VCAST?) no stupid cell phone logo startup screen and no silly ringtone each ringtone provider has.
...You don't tell Apple to do anything!
How so? Verizon has none of those bloat ware preinstalled.
Gee I wonder where the regular trolls are saying how Apple's closed system and Android's open system is better for customers?
The world of cellphone users are better for Apple's entry into this market. NTT DoCoMo will not win here.
*snort*
The irony is when a carrier like DoCoMo says "open" they mean they want the smartphone manufacturer to open their smartphones to the carrier's preloaded shovelware, branding, and carrier-locking of frequencies and/or SIM chips. Trust me, what the carriers typically end up selling you is anything BUT "open" and what you end up getting is locked to their network.
Sounds like they are taking advice from Verizon...
Verizon: Let's talk about selling iPhones.
Apple: Ok.
Verizon: We want to load V-Cast on every one we sell.
Apple: No.
Verizon: Can you at least put our logo on the back?
Apple: No.
Verizon: Ok, how about a peel off sticker with a Verizon logo?
Apple: No.
Verizon: Can we load the Verizon store on there?
Apple: No.
Verizon: Will you at least put Java on it so we can--
Apple: No.
Verizon: How about showing the Verizon logo when it boots?
Apple: No.
Verizon: Can we put a Verizon wallpaper on the lock screen?
Apple: No.
Verizon: Can we we require customers to have to call Verizon to activate it?
Apple: iTunes option doesn't come off the table.
Verizon: Ok, we have a deal.
Verizon (nervously): We have some contingencies to discuss with you.
Apple (blandly): Here's our standard contract. All our other partners signed it. If you don't like it, our Gulfstream V already has landing rights in Kansas City. We can text Dan; he'll probably send out a car to drive us to Overland Park.
Verizon (eagerly): Where do we sign?
*snort*
The irony is when a carrier like DoCoMo says "open" they mean they want the smartphone manufacturer to open their smartphones to the carrier's preloaded shovelware, branding, and carrier-locking of frequencies and/or SIM chips. Trust me, what the carriers typically end up selling you is anything BUT "open" and what you end up getting is locked to their network.
Google talks up a good game about openness but there customers are the handset/tablet vendors and carriers, not the end users, so you end up with a closed and lock system that typically has more crapware than anything that predated Android entering the market.
Sure, you can always root your device and find some clean version of the firmware built by some coder that goes by the dubious name that included some cute play on words and a pejorative remark against Apple or Obama, but 1) can you be sure there is no spyware included in that build, 2) is this really the kind of thing these users expect the average consumer to deal with. Bottom line is you don't win mindshare by fucking your customer base with crappy pre-installed software which is why those $400 PCs you see in Office Depot are not being used for 3, 4 or 5 years like Macs.
No, that's not how it went. The conversation was much shorter.
Verizon (nervously): We have some contingencies to discuss with you.
Apple (blandly): Here's our standard contract. All our other partners signed it. If you don't like it, our Gulfstream V already has landing rights in Kansas City. We can text Dan; he'll probably send out a car to drive us to Overland Park.
Verizon (eagerly): Where do we sign?
This is how the second conversation went. When the iPhone first came out the conversation with Verizon was much more like what Simply Newton said, except that in the end neither Apple or Verizon budged. After seeing the amazing success of the iPhone on AT&T, then your conversation is correct.
I have no use for Newstand, nor do I want it on its own page or to force it into a folder that corrupts it. I just want the option to get it off my phone. Thanks for not letting me do what I want with an app ON MY OWN PHONE Apple.
Google talks up a good game about openness but there customers are the handset/tablet vendors and carriers, not the end users, so you end up with a closed and lock system that typically has more crapware than anything that predated Android entering the market.
Sure, you can always root your device and find some clean version of the firmware built by some coder that goes by the dubious name that included some cute play on words and a pejorative remark against Apple or Obama, but 1) can you be sure there is no spyware included in that build, 2) is this really the kind of thing these users expect the average consumer to deal with. Bottom line is you don't win mindshare by fucking your customer base with crappy pre-installed software which is why those $400 PCs you see in Office Depot are not being used for 3, 4 or 5 years like Macs.
You only got it partly right, once the phone is rooted bloatware can simply be uninstalled.
Thanks for not letting me do what I want with an app ON MY OWN PHONE Apple.
"I want to put Windows Phone 7 on my iPhone because it's MY IPHONE; I can do with it what I want."
You can easily not update to iOS 5. That's doing what you want with it. I know people still on 1.1.3.
"I want to put Windows Phone 7 on my iPhone because it's MY IPHONE; I can do with it what I want."
You can easily not update to iOS 5. That's doing what you want with it. I know people still on 1.1.3.
I am not wanting to add anything. I should be able to take a program that isn't being used off my phone, or at least hide it in a folder. I'm not asking to delete iTunes or anything like that, but a stupid app that takes up space. Yeah, I can hide it on the last page or trick it into a folder, but that doesn't sound safe. All I want is all apps to be hideable. Even give me a setting that I can turn it on or off, at least.
And no, I can't "easily not update to iOS 5". There was no option when buying the 4S, and it would be dumb to have a 4S and not iOS 5.