Patent owners must defend them or else a patent is useless.
Why get a patent if you don't care about it?
Sure, the patent is useless if you choose not to do anything with it, but it's still your patent. What Bancho is correctly stating is that you have to actively be defending and using your trademark or risk losing rights to them.
Remember when the iPhone appeared in 2007 and Cisco had an issue because they felt they owned the rights to iPhone which was part of a 2000 buyout of InfoGear, and they retired the product usage completely by 2001.
No one was saying InfoGear didn't use it first, the question was whether the usage had not been out of circulation long enough that it could be used by others.
Trademarks are a use-it-or-lose commodity, but patents can sit ideally under a bridge in the Eastern District of Texas waiting for a product to become popular enough to sue over.
It will be very interesting to see what Apple is going to do when the GPS satellites start dropping down from orbit, expected in 2012 or 2013. Then nobody will have 'location based services' anymore! And this patent will be useless.
What will users do when they have bought a device with 'location based services' that don't work? They will sue Apple for selling defective products, is what they will do!
It will be very interesting to see what Apple is going to do when the GPS satellites start dropping down from orbit, expected in 2012 or 2013. Then nobody will have 'location based services' anymore! And this patent will be useless.
If only the entirety of humanity had some sort of contingency plan for downed satellites.
And what's your source of this?
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What will users do when they have bought a device with 'location based services' that don't work? They will sue Apple for selling defective products, is what they will do!
Apparently you have missed the US' debt: 14 TRILLION!
As a result a whole swath of programs have been canceled. Or did you miss that too? For instance the Space Shuttle and GPS programs. The money is gone. The US are broke! They can't afford billions costing Space Shuttles or GPS satellites anymore. The programs have officially been canceled.
Exactly like for the Space Shuttle there is no replacement plan for GPS satellites because there is no budget. And any plans for second generation follow-up systems have been euthanized too.
Of the 31 GPS satellites up there 24 are required for a functional GPS system. 7 were spare satellites. All 7 have been used and are operational now, replacing defective satellites. There is no margin left. The next GPS satellite cutting out will already affect our daily position finding.
The GPS system became operational in 1994, when the last of the 24 'basic' satellites were launched. I.o.w. most of the GPS satellites have been up there for 20 years or more. Small wonder they are at the end of their lifetime.
So you have absolutely no evidence of GPS satellites being imminently threatened with coming down, have no real reason to suspect that they will, and are basing this entirely on hearsay.
Don't worry about it. Does your iMac instantaneously stop working when the new model comes out or the warranty expires? No. Same with satellites. Humans are good engineers. We build stuff that works well. Don't worry about it.
So you have absolutely no evidence of GPS satellites being imminently threatened with coming down, have no real reason to suspect that they will, and are basing this entirely on hearsay.
Don't worry about it. Does your iMac instantaneously stop working when the new model comes out or the warranty expires? No. Same with satellites. Humans are good engineers. We build stuff that works well. Don't worry about it.
Enjoy your FUD. The GPS grid is too important to every single country on the planet to let die. Economically, militarily, defensively, and communally, it cannot fail. "The money" is meaningless. It has nothing to do with the US government or NASA. If one of these satellites fails, there will be three more to take its place in under a month. Why you'd believe otherwise is beyond me.
And any "lawsuit" against Apple for a "failure to provide services advertised" would be thrown out immediately. Apple has no responsibility for satellites nor any system behind anything beyond their control. Apple isn't being sued because the telecoms' networks suck eggs (they do). Because that can't happen.
Enjoy your FUD. The GPS grid is too important to every single country on the planet to let die.
The US DoD owns, operates, controls, and manipulates the GPS system for US interests only. Just ask someone in Seoul, Baghdad, or Jerusalem how they like their turn-by-turn navigation systems: they don't work! The US DoD can and does degrade GPS data integrity of regions and countries they feel are convenient to their interests. With total disregard for the interests of others. The US clearly use the GPS system as a political and military tool.
And that is why Russia, the EU, and China are in the middle, right now, of launching their own satellite navigation systems: GLONASS, Galileo, and COMPASS. Expected to become operational in 2015/2017. And that is why India, Brasil, Japan, and Australia are on the verge of deciding on launching their own satellite navigation too!
They are all very aware how the US use GPS, and therefore of it's arm-twisting potential! Against them. At the flick of a switch. GPS simply is a very real strategic threat to them. Plus they don't want to be dependent on the US' whims anymore. So they build their own, independent satellite navigation systems.
Eventually ? when their systems are up and GPS is down ? the US will have to go, hat in hand, to one or more of the new systems to get the necessary data... At a price!
And they will have lost the control they now still enjoy, exploit, and abuse. Mainly because of the latter.
The shoe will be on the other foot.
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Economically, militarily, defensively, and communally, it cannot fail. "The money" is meaningless. It has nothing to do with the US government or NASA. If one of these satellites fails, there will be three more to take its place in under a month. Why you'd believe otherwise is beyond me.
Money.
Forget "there will be three more to take its place in under a month". To build a system like this takes the better part of a decade. And gabillions of budget. Which there isn't. In the US.
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And any "lawsuit" against Apple for a "failure to provide services advertised" would be thrown out immediately. Apple has no responsibility for satellites nor any system behind anything beyond their control. Apple isn't being sued because the telecoms' networks suck eggs (they do). Because that can't happen.
Forget "there will be three more to take its place in under a month". To build a system like this takes the better part of a decade. And gabillions of budget. Which there isn't. In the US.
Again, and for the last time, meaningless. It just doesn't matter. GPS is too important to just let fail.
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We'll see what the judge says, won't we?
Such a lawsuit cannot happen. If a body is not in control of the mechanism by which actions are performed, it cannot be sued for malfunction of said mechanism. Period.
I agree. That's why it will be such a rude awakening when it does!
Especially to those who closed their eyes to the reality that it could ever happen.
If that body uses that mechanism as a sales pitch, it can.
It also runs on electricity, can you sue if the lights go off? Seriously the worriers have more worries than I can shake a stick at. The world is overpopulated too. And we're overdue for a solar storm. Stuff happens. I doubt lawsuits will be the main thing anybody thinks of if satellites fail. We are broke, but not so broke we'd let commerce go to hell for want of funds for 3 new satellites. Need bigger perspective.
Try to enjoy what life there is for the living, and live mindfully.
The US DoD owns, operates, controls, and manipulates the GPS system for US interests only. Just ask someone in Seoul, Baghdad, or Jerusalem how they like their turn-by-turn navigation systems: they don't work! The US DoD can and does degrade GPS data integrity of regions and countries they feel are convenient to their interests. With total disregard for the interests of others. The US clearly use the GPS system as a political and military tool.
You truly know not of what you speak. Yes, GPS is a DoD derived system, but Selective Availability (the military encryption for max performance) is turned off and will remain off unless there is a shooting war with someone BIG. The physics of the system make it damn near impossible to do what you say without SA.
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And that is why Russia, the EU, and China are in the middle, right now, of launching their own satellite navigation systems: GLONASS, Galileo, and COMPASS. Expected to become operational in 2015/2017. And that is why India, Brasil, Japan, and Australia are on the verge of deciding on launching their own satellite navigation too!
And all have failed to deliver in the 30 years since GLONASS was originally operational. Even at it's best, it's resolution was only that of GPS with SA encryption turned on.
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They are all very aware how the US use GPS, and therefore of it's arm-twisting potential! Against them. At the flick of a switch. GPS simply is a very real strategic threat to them. Plus they don't want to be dependent on the US' whims anymore. So they build their own, independent satellite navigation systems.
The US DoD owns, operates, controls, and manipulates the GPS system for US interests only. Just ask someone in Seoul, Baghdad, or Jerusalem how they like their turn-by-turn navigation systems: they don't work! The US DoD can and does degrade GPS data integrity of regions and countries they feel are convenient to their interests. With total disregard for the interests of others. The US clearly use the GPS system as a political and military tool.
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You truly know not of what you speak. Yes, GPS is a DoD derived system, but Selective Availability (the military encryption for max performance) is turned off and will remain off unless there is a shooting war with someone BIG. The physics of the system make it damn near impossible to do what you say without SA.
"SA"? Call it any fancy name you want, it's happening ? a.k.a. in force ? right now, and has been for years. The proof of the pudding is in the eating...
Example: your satnav, on good days, has about a 9 to 18 feet accuracy. The flyboys on the USS Enterprise land their 100 million dollar Mach 2 jets - totally hands off! ? with a 6 INCH accuracy on the x-, y-, and z-axes on a rolling and heaving 3 BILLION dollar flight deck!
That's with the same GPS system!
So GPS is perfectly capable of delivering 6 INCH accuracy, yet you and I, the taxpayers who funded it all, don't get it. And the people in Seoul, Baghdad, Jerusalem, etc. get much less still: only a 100 to 200 feet accuracy (useless for car satnav)!
Which can all change in a second depending on US DoD whims.
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30 years since GLONASS was originally operational
GLONASS has only just started launching satellites. The first 3 or 4 are in orbit now. It'll be another couple years before all the satellites are up there and the system can go operational.
So the question is: do you know "of what you speak"...
Umm. I used to be one of those boys on the carrier deck. You are so wrong it is truely sad.
You are merely making things up and you don't know how any of it really works. Period.
We didn't land on carrier decks by GPS, that would require two moving things to communcate and the time delays in the communications would end up catastrophic. We used the Automatic Carrier Landing System, which is very similar to the civilian Instrument Landing System used at airports. Neither has anything to do with GPS.
No run along child, and make something up about something you might know enough about to not embarass yourself so easily.
GLONASS was operational in 1982. It was unfunded and decayed to just a few satellites by the late 90's because the Soviets could only build them with 3-6 year lifespans. Again your lack of knowledge is so pathetically complete you set a new standard.
Well, I have news for you: in the last decade ALS and GPS were integrated operationally to said 6 INCHES of accuracy. It was tested exhaustively and when totally vetted the US demonstrated the system's reliability and the brass' confidence in it to all the world by landing its chief executive on deck (about 30 miles offshore... ) to crow victory over Iraq. That was a demonstration for all who knew what to look for.
Anyway, if GPS is so brilliant and problem-free for all mankind why do 34 governments invest trillions in alternative systems?
Well, I have news for you: in the last decade ALS and GPS were integrated operationally to said 6 INCHES of accuracy. It was tested exhaustively and when totally vetted the US demonstrated the system's reliability and the brass' confidence in it to all the world by landing its chief executive on deck (about 30 miles offshore... ) to crow victory over Iraq. That was a demonstration for all who knew what to look for.
Anyway, if GPS is so brilliant and problem-free for all mankind why do 34 governments invest trillions in alternative systems?
W landed in the day pattern from a break. Eyeballs only. You really need to listen to Jesus
Well, I have news for you: in the last decade ALS and GPS were integrated operationally to said 6 INCHES of accuracy. It was tested exhaustively and when totally vetted the US demonstrated the system's reliability and the brass' confidence in it to all the world by landing its chief executive on deck (about 30 miles offshore... ) to crow victory over Iraq. That was a demonstration for all who knew what to look for.
Anyway, if GPS is so brilliant and problem-free for all mankind why do 34 governments invest trillions in alternative systems?
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W landed in the day pattern from a break. Eyeballs only. You really need to listen to Jesus
Jesus doesn't know shit. The network's voice over made a point of mentioning the upgraded GPS/ALS system to the world's audiences, its 6 INCH accuracy over 3 axes, and the hands-off landing. 7 Years ago.
Like I said: it was a demo of the victor's power and technological prowess. Just like Julius Caesar's glorious triumphal entry into Rome with thousands of captured slaves, or the USSR's May 1st parades displaying hundreds of ballistic missiles. It was a very basic message to the world: "Look how powerful we are! Don't mess with us"! Typical of the arrogant gunslinger.
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That goes for trademarks, not patents.
Patent owners must defend them or else a patent is useless.
Why get a patent if you don't care about it?
Patent owners must defend them or else a patent is useless.
Why get a patent if you don't care about it?
Sure, the patent is useless if you choose not to do anything with it, but it's still your patent. What Bancho is correctly stating is that you have to actively be defending and using your trademark or risk losing rights to them.
Remember when the iPhone appeared in 2007 and Cisco had an issue because they felt they owned the rights to iPhone which was part of a 2000 buyout of InfoGear, and they retired the product usage completely by 2001.
No one was saying InfoGear didn't use it first, the question was whether the usage had not been out of circulation long enough that it could be used by others.
Trademarks are a use-it-or-lose commodity, but patents can sit ideally under a bridge in the Eastern District of Texas waiting for a product to become popular enough to sue over.
What will users do when they have bought a device with 'location based services' that don't work? They will sue Apple for selling defective products, is what they will do!
It will be very interesting to see what Apple is going to do when the GPS satellites start dropping down from orbit, expected in 2012 or 2013. Then nobody will have 'location based services' anymore! And this patent will be useless.
If only the entirety of humanity had some sort of contingency plan for downed satellites.
And what's your source of this?
What will users do when they have bought a device with 'location based services' that don't work? They will sue Apple for selling defective products, is what they will do!
You're being nonsensical.
As a result a whole swath of programs have been canceled. Or did you miss that too? For instance the Space Shuttle and GPS programs. The money is gone. The US are broke! They can't afford billions costing Space Shuttles or GPS satellites anymore. The programs have officially been canceled.
Exactly like for the Space Shuttle there is no replacement plan for GPS satellites because there is no budget. And any plans for second generation follow-up systems have been euthanized too.
Of the 31 GPS satellites up there 24 are required for a functional GPS system. 7 were spare satellites. All 7 have been used and are operational now, replacing defective satellites. There is no margin left. The next GPS satellite cutting out will already affect our daily position finding.
The GPS system became operational in 1994, when the last of the 24 'basic' satellites were launched. I.o.w. most of the GPS satellites have been up there for 20 years or more. Small wonder they are at the end of their lifetime.
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So you have absolutely no evidence of GPS satellites being imminently threatened with coming down, have no real reason to suspect that they will, and are basing this entirely on hearsay.
Don't worry about it. Does your iMac instantaneously stop working when the new model comes out or the warranty expires? No. Same with satellites. Humans are good engineers. We build stuff that works well. Don't worry about it.
So you have absolutely no evidence of GPS satellites being imminently threatened with coming down, have no real reason to suspect that they will, and are basing this entirely on hearsay.
Don't worry about it. Does your iMac instantaneously stop working when the new model comes out or the warranty expires? No. Same with satellites. Humans are good engineers. We build stuff that works well. Don't worry about it.
Sleep well!
Sleep well!
Enjoy your FUD. The GPS grid is too important to every single country on the planet to let die. Economically, militarily, defensively, and communally, it cannot fail. "The money" is meaningless. It has nothing to do with the US government or NASA. If one of these satellites fails, there will be three more to take its place in under a month. Why you'd believe otherwise is beyond me.
And any "lawsuit" against Apple for a "failure to provide services advertised" would be thrown out immediately. Apple has no responsibility for satellites nor any system behind anything beyond their control. Apple isn't being sued because the telecoms' networks suck eggs (they do). Because that can't happen.
Enjoy your FUD. The GPS grid is too important to every single country on the planet to let die.
The US DoD owns, operates, controls, and manipulates the GPS system for US interests only. Just ask someone in Seoul, Baghdad, or Jerusalem how they like their turn-by-turn navigation systems: they don't work! The US DoD can and does degrade GPS data integrity of regions and countries they feel are convenient to their interests. With total disregard for the interests of others. The US clearly use the GPS system as a political and military tool.
And that is why Russia, the EU, and China are in the middle, right now, of launching their own satellite navigation systems: GLONASS, Galileo, and COMPASS. Expected to become operational in 2015/2017. And that is why India, Brasil, Japan, and Australia are on the verge of deciding on launching their own satellite navigation too!
They are all very aware how the US use GPS, and therefore of it's arm-twisting potential! Against them. At the flick of a switch. GPS simply is a very real strategic threat to them. Plus they don't want to be dependent on the US' whims anymore. So they build their own, independent satellite navigation systems.
Eventually ? when their systems are up and GPS is down ? the US will have to go, hat in hand, to one or more of the new systems to get the necessary data... At a price!
And they will have lost the control they now still enjoy, exploit, and abuse. Mainly because of the latter.
The shoe will be on the other foot.
Economically, militarily, defensively, and communally, it cannot fail. "The money" is meaningless. It has nothing to do with the US government or NASA. If one of these satellites fails, there will be three more to take its place in under a month. Why you'd believe otherwise is beyond me.
Money.
Forget "there will be three more to take its place in under a month". To build a system like this takes the better part of a decade. And gabillions of budget. Which there isn't. In the US.
And any "lawsuit" against Apple for a "failure to provide services advertised" would be thrown out immediately. Apple has no responsibility for satellites nor any system behind anything beyond their control. Apple isn't being sued because the telecoms' networks suck eggs (they do). Because that can't happen.
We'll see what the judge says, won't we?
Money.
Forget "there will be three more to take its place in under a month". To build a system like this takes the better part of a decade. And gabillions of budget. Which there isn't. In the US.
Again, and for the last time, meaningless. It just doesn't matter. GPS is too important to just let fail.
We'll see what the judge says, won't we?
Such a lawsuit cannot happen. If a body is not in control of the mechanism by which actions are performed, it cannot be sued for malfunction of said mechanism. Period.
Again, and for the last time, meaningless. It just doesn't matter. GPS is too important to just let fail.
I agree. That's why it will be such a rude awakening when it does!
Especially to those who closed their eyes to the reality that it could ever happen.
If a body is not in control of the mechanism by which actions are performed, it cannot be sued for malfunction of said mechanism. Period.
If that body uses that mechanism as a sales pitch, it can.
I agree. That's why it will be such a rude awakening when it does!
Especially to those who closed their eyes to the reality that it could ever happen.
If that body uses that mechanism as a sales pitch, it can.
It also runs on electricity, can you sue if the lights go off? Seriously the worriers have more worries than I can shake a stick at. The world is overpopulated too. And we're overdue for a solar storm. Stuff happens. I doubt lawsuits will be the main thing anybody thinks of if satellites fail. We are broke, but not so broke we'd let commerce go to hell for want of funds for 3 new satellites. Need bigger perspective.
Try to enjoy what life there is for the living, and live mindfully.
The US DoD owns, operates, controls, and manipulates the GPS system for US interests only. Just ask someone in Seoul, Baghdad, or Jerusalem how they like their turn-by-turn navigation systems: they don't work! The US DoD can and does degrade GPS data integrity of regions and countries they feel are convenient to their interests. With total disregard for the interests of others. The US clearly use the GPS system as a political and military tool.
You truly know not of what you speak. Yes, GPS is a DoD derived system, but Selective Availability (the military encryption for max performance) is turned off and will remain off unless there is a shooting war with someone BIG. The physics of the system make it damn near impossible to do what you say without SA.
And that is why Russia, the EU, and China are in the middle, right now, of launching their own satellite navigation systems: GLONASS, Galileo, and COMPASS. Expected to become operational in 2015/2017. And that is why India, Brasil, Japan, and Australia are on the verge of deciding on launching their own satellite navigation too!
And all have failed to deliver in the 30 years since GLONASS was originally operational. Even at it's best, it's resolution was only that of GPS with SA encryption turned on.
They are all very aware how the US use GPS, and therefore of it's arm-twisting potential! Against them. At the flick of a switch. GPS simply is a very real strategic threat to them. Plus they don't want to be dependent on the US' whims anymore. So they build their own, independent satellite navigation systems.
Tin-foil hat there.
Originally Posted by Rovers
The US DoD owns, operates, controls, and manipulates the GPS system for US interests only. Just ask someone in Seoul, Baghdad, or Jerusalem how they like their turn-by-turn navigation systems: they don't work! The US DoD can and does degrade GPS data integrity of regions and countries they feel are convenient to their interests. With total disregard for the interests of others. The US clearly use the GPS system as a political and military tool.
You truly know not of what you speak. Yes, GPS is a DoD derived system, but Selective Availability (the military encryption for max performance) is turned off and will remain off unless there is a shooting war with someone BIG. The physics of the system make it damn near impossible to do what you say without SA.
"SA"? Call it any fancy name you want, it's happening ? a.k.a. in force ? right now, and has been for years. The proof of the pudding is in the eating...
Example: your satnav, on good days, has about a 9 to 18 feet accuracy. The flyboys on the USS Enterprise land their 100 million dollar Mach 2 jets - totally hands off! ? with a 6 INCH accuracy on the x-, y-, and z-axes on a rolling and heaving 3 BILLION dollar flight deck!
That's with the same GPS system!
So GPS is perfectly capable of delivering 6 INCH accuracy, yet you and I, the taxpayers who funded it all, don't get it. And the people in Seoul, Baghdad, Jerusalem, etc. get much less still: only a 100 to 200 feet accuracy (useless for car satnav)!
Which can all change in a second depending on US DoD whims.
30 years since GLONASS was originally operational
GLONASS has only just started launching satellites. The first 3 or 4 are in orbit now. It'll be another couple years before all the satellites are up there and the system can go operational.
So the question is: do you know "of what you speak"...
You are merely making things up and you don't know how any of it really works. Period.
We didn't land on carrier decks by GPS, that would require two moving things to communcate and the time delays in the communications would end up catastrophic. We used the Automatic Carrier Landing System, which is very similar to the civilian Instrument Landing System used at airports. Neither has anything to do with GPS.
No run along child, and make something up about something you might know enough about to not embarass yourself so easily.
GLONASS was operational in 1982. It was unfunded and decayed to just a few satellites by the late 90's because the Soviets could only build them with 3-6 year lifespans. Again your lack of knowledge is so pathetically complete you set a new standard.
Well, I have news for you: in the last decade ALS and GPS were integrated operationally to said 6 INCHES of accuracy. It was tested exhaustively and when totally vetted the US demonstrated the system's reliability and the brass' confidence in it to all the world by landing its chief executive on deck (about 30 miles offshore...
Anyway, if GPS is so brilliant and problem-free for all mankind why do 34 governments invest trillions in alternative systems?
Well, I have news for you: in the last decade ALS and GPS were integrated operationally to said 6 INCHES of accuracy. It was tested exhaustively and when totally vetted the US demonstrated the system's reliability and the brass' confidence in it to all the world by landing its chief executive on deck (about 30 miles offshore...
Anyway, if GPS is so brilliant and problem-free for all mankind why do 34 governments invest trillions in alternative systems?
W landed in the day pattern from a break. Eyeballs only. You really need to listen to Jesus
Originally Posted by Rovers
I see.
Well, I have news for you: in the last decade ALS and GPS were integrated operationally to said 6 INCHES of accuracy. It was tested exhaustively and when totally vetted the US demonstrated the system's reliability and the brass' confidence in it to all the world by landing its chief executive on deck (about 30 miles offshore... ) to crow victory over Iraq. That was a demonstration for all who knew what to look for.
Anyway, if GPS is so brilliant and problem-free for all mankind why do 34 governments invest trillions in alternative systems?
W landed in the day pattern from a break. Eyeballs only. You really need to listen to Jesus
Jesus doesn't know shit. The network's voice over made a point of mentioning the upgraded GPS/ALS system to the world's audiences, its 6 INCH accuracy over 3 axes, and the hands-off landing. 7 Years ago.
Like I said: it was a demo of the victor's power and technological prowess. Just like Julius Caesar's glorious triumphal entry into Rome with thousands of captured slaves, or the USSR's May 1st parades displaying hundreds of ballistic missiles. It was a very basic message to the world: "Look how powerful we are! Don't mess with us"! Typical of the arrogant gunslinger.