Adobe Flash sites rapidly converted to HTML5 for iOS users

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  • Reply 21 of 48
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    Originally Posted by mstone View Post


    We have dozens of frameworks, but no good timeline layers authoring environment



    Hopefully, this is where Adobe will step in. They make the best graphics tools on the planet, and now that they are focused on HTML5, their Flash tools can generate HTML5 instead.



    Frankly, Adobe's tools is/was Flash's biggest (and IMO, only) advantage. If Adobe is able to repurpose those tools to generate HTML5 instead, it will be goodbye Flash in months.
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  • Reply 22 of 48
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
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    Originally Posted by addicted44 View Post


    Hopefully, this is where Adobe will step in. They make the best graphics tools on the planet, and now that they are focused on HTML5, their Flash tools can generate HTML5 instead.



    Frankly, Adobe's tools is/was Flash's biggest (and IMO, only) advantage. If Adobe is able to repurpose those tools to generate HTML5 instead, it will be goodbye Flash in months.



    Problem is, HTML5/JS/CSS is nothing like Flash so the tools probably are too far away from what is needed. They will have to be rewritten from scratch. The porting style of conversion will never produce clean code. You end up with redundant inline style tags named style1, style2 and objects and classes with optimized names such as "a", "b" etc. which makes it really difficult read the code later.
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  • Reply 23 of 48
    Get those damn restaurants to get off their flash hard on. They annoy me the most.
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  • Reply 24 of 48
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    Get those damn restaurants to get off their flash hard on. They annoy me the most.



    Whaaaaaa?
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  • Reply 25 of 48
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    Whaaaaaa?



    That is poorly phrased, isn't it?



    How does "These restaurants need to take cold showers to satiate their incredible animal lust for Flash websites." sound?
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  • Reply 26 of 48
    The laughable part of their announcement is where they claim that clients are demanding designers work in Flash. A full pant load if there ever was one.



    Designers worked in Flash because it let them bill countless extra hours for the whizzy effects that almost everybody else hates. If they really cared about what their clients want, they would present concepts to clients that load fast, don't suck system resources, and don't crash.



    Seriously, did you look the site for Dyad Communications? After making visitors sit through a progress indicator while the site loads, the Dyad site greets you with an almost completely BLANK screen. And these guys think they're qualified to opine on design?
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  • Reply 27 of 48
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    The laughable part of their announcement is where they claim that clients are demanding designers work in Flash. A full pant load if there ever was one.



    I had a Web Animation class last year.



    Flash only.



    Every single student who knew about the HTML5 vs. Flash debate (and later, after we students who knew had explained to the students who didn't, every single student period) asked/pleaded/demanded we work in HTML5 instead.



    Our professor refused. He acknowledged HTML5 was the future and that people wouldn't be working in Flash in two years. His concession; he said two years. I was more optimistic, but that's me.



    And he refused to switch the class to HTML5.
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  • Reply 28 of 48
    hello world
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  • Reply 29 of 48
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    hello world



    I've written that program long ago....
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  • Reply 30 of 48
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
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    I had a Web Animation class last year.



    Flash only.



    Serves you right. You should never take a class about anything to do with the web. Teach them, maybe, take them, no.
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  • Reply 31 of 48
    john.bjohn.b Posts: 2,742member
    Mind boggling that the story doesn't say:



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    ...a developer using [some new Adobe development tool] reports that translating large existing websites built with Adobe Flash to HTML5 mobile sites accessible to iOS users can now be performed by 1 or 2 people in just three weeks.



    Adobe (and by "Adobe", I mean "Shantanu Narayen") forgot that they were in the creatives development business and concentrated on Flash, not realizing the competitive advantage they'd lose by fighting rather than switching. Now they are seen as being the buggy-whip salesmen of the web development area.



    Why Narayen isn't being fired as I type this is one of the great mysteries in Silicon Valley today.
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  • Reply 32 of 48
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    Serves you right. You should never take a class about anything to do with the web. Teach them, maybe, take them, no.



    Forced requirement of the major.
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  • Reply 33 of 48
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    Serves you right. You should never take a class about anything to do with the web. Teach them, maybe, take them, no.



    What?! Defend that position. Flash, JS, PHP, et al. can be well served by focused instruction.
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  • Reply 34 of 48
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
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    Forced requirement of the major.



    I guess you are not in any scientific discipline.
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  • Reply 35 of 48
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    I guess you are not in any scientific discipline.



    Worst part? I was.



    What I'm no longer in is that university.
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  • Reply 36 of 48
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
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    What?! Defend that position. Flash, JS, PHP, et al. can be well served by focused instruction.



    Moves too fast. I took the Stanford class on iOS apps online no charge through iTunes U and even that is out of date now.



    I'm completely self taught in computers since my degree is in Bio Chem from the 70s and what I learned then is completely obsolete. Continuing education and self motivation is much more relevant. You can't depend on formal instruction especially in sciences. University only teaches you how to learn not what to learn.
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  • Reply 37 of 48
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    Moves too fast. I took the Stanford class on iOS apps online no charge through iTunes U and even that is out of date now.



    I'm completely self taught in computers since my degree is in Bio Chem from the 70s and what I learned then is completely obsolete. Continuing education and self motivation is much more relevant. You can't depend on formal instruction especially in sciences. University only teaches you how to learn not what to learn.



    That's why I want my money back....though I'm still in school!
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  • Reply 38 of 48
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mstone View Post


    Moves too fast. I took the Stanford class on iOS apps online no charge through iTunes U and even that is out of date now.



    I'm completely self taught in computers since my degree is in Bio Chem from the 70s and what I learned then is completely obsolete. Continuing education and self motivation is much more relevant. You can't depend on formal instruction especially in sciences. University only teaches you how to learn not what to learn.



    I can understand the point of certain subjects or topics moving too quickly for certain students at certain times, and it's clear that self-motivation plays a key role being great in an area because obviously an interest sought outside a required timeframe is likely down with greater passion and duration, but I think a structured class can have great benefit in leading us toward or away from paths that we may or may not know we really care about.
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  • Reply 39 of 48
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
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    I can understand the point of certain subjects or topics moving too quickly for certain students at certain times, and it's clear that self-motivation plays a key role being great in an area because obviously an interest sought outside a required timeframe is likely down with greater passion and duration, but I think a structured class can have great benefit in leading us toward or away from paths that we may or may not know we really care about.



    I had an employee who sought me out and pleaded his case to be in my department and when I agreed I was unsure if it would work out. Later a client contacted me to outline their vision of a new web app. I briefly discussed the project with my young protégé, The next morning I arrived at the office to find him at his desk an hour earlier than normal intently programming. On inquiry I discovered that he had stayed up all night prototyping the new application and wanted to demonstrate it. You are either born with the innate talent to program or not. It is not learned.
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  • Reply 40 of 48
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    Originally Posted by mstone View Post


    Moves too fast. I took the Stanford class on iOS apps online no charge through iTunes U and even that is out of date now.



    I'm completely self taught in computers since my degree is in Bio Chem from the 70s and what I learned then is completely obsolete. Continuing education and self motivation is much more relevant. You can't depend on formal instruction especially in sciences. University only teaches you how to learn not what to learn.



    Tell me about it. My engineering classes are still teaching us ASM, VHDL, MATLAB, and C. And I lost all faith that I would learn anything worthwhile in my C class when my instructor insisted that C++ was not a widely used-enough language to warrant talking about in the class. But you are right, it has taught me HOW to learn programming. Having gotten the hang of learning syntax, different IDE's, etc., I have learned so much more about more relevant languages of today on my own time than I ever would have been able to otherwise, and that, to me, is worth something.
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