Australian court overturns ban on Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1, Apple to appeal

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  • Reply 41 of 121
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member
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    Originally Posted by Firefly7475 View Post


    If that is the case I can't see how you end up at the conclusion that the Galaxy Tab is a copy of the iPad. The Galaxy Tab and the iPad are different in both form and function.



    If you had spent any amount of time with Android tablets and the iPad you would know what I mean.



    What you can reasonably (and correctly) say is that Samsung copied Apple's market strategy.



    I guess that's why the Galaxy Tab hasn't been banned in several jurisdictions...



    ...oh, hang on.



    Samsung aren't out of the woods yet, an injunction pending the main court case was overturned, hearings are still proceeding, including those in the US.
  • Reply 42 of 121
    geekdadgeekdad Posts: 1,131member
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    Originally Posted by sflocal View Post


    Oh please, get off your shaky pedestal and stop spinning this to make it sound like it's for the "consumers".



    Simple fact. Company A makes a product, Company B copies it. Company B lets Company A do all the R&D on everything from the product, packaging, presentation, advertisement and shamefully pass it off as their own.



    This has nothing to do with what's best for consumers. This is about protecting one's IP, and you very well know it.



    You want what's best for consumers? Let Samsung actually design their own products and create a truly unique product and experience. That's consumer choice. That way, we all win.



    OMG...come back to reality! Businesses copy each other for EVERYTHING! Apple didn't invent the tablet! They just made one hell of a great product! Now every other business is going to come out with a tablet. It is just good business. Name ONE great product in history that was not copied reproduced or imitated!! You can't because when one company invents or produces a product in a way that captures the consumers attention....more of the same will follow from other companies. It is the bloodline of the free market system. Should Samsung copy Apple products EXACTLY? No they shouldn't and Apple has every right to sue. But you can'r sue on "look and feel" of a product as Apple is doing in this suit. I am not surprised the ban gets lifted. But i think there is a whole lot more to come. This might be the start of more bans being lifted in other countries....
  • Reply 43 of 121
    So basically this judge is saying it is legal to copy and steal someone elses invention. Why innovate? Why take risks if others can just steal your work?
  • Reply 44 of 121
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 23,303member
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    Originally Posted by bullhead View Post


    So basically this judge is saying it is legal to copy and steal someone elses invention. Why innovate? Why take risks if others can just steal your work?



    If it was an exact copy or stolen I don't think they'd allow it. Apparently the judge decided it was neither at this point.
  • Reply 45 of 121
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Firefly7475 View Post


    A person would have to be a complete idiot to look at a Galaxy Tab and an iPad and think they were the same thing.



    I'll just leave this here: Even Samsung can't tell the difference between it's tablet and ipad.
  • Reply 46 of 121
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bullhead View Post


    So basically this judge is saying it is legal to copy and steal someone elses invention. Why innovate? Why take risks if others can just steal your work?



    Actually they are not, what they are saying is that the illegality of any alleged copying in this case, has not been shown sufficiently to justify a ban at this stage.



    The legality of Samsung's actions have yet to be determined which will happen in the upcoming main hearing.
  • Reply 47 of 121
    geekdadgeekdad Posts: 1,131member
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    Originally Posted by hill60 View Post


    Actually they are not, what they are saying is that the illegality of any alleged copying in this case, has not been shown sufficiently to justify a ban at this stage.



    The legality of Samsung's actions have yet to be determined which will happen in the upcoming main hearing.



    That is entirely correct......there will be a lot more to follow.
  • Reply 48 of 121
    jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member
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    Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post


    Though my Galaxy Tab 10.1 is of a completely different aspect ratio, material composition, and screen resolution than either my iPad or iPad 2, the camera locations are completely different as are the operating systems on which the devices run, and the GT 10.1 doesn't feature a single [HOME] button anywhere on its front surface, in addition to being both thinner and lighter than either of my Apple tablets.



    Anyone who could go into a store, see a Samsung Galaxy Tab in a box clearly marked SAMSUNG GALAXY TAB and Android Technology, and still thinks it's an Apple iPad is likely too daft to ever use a modern piece of technology anyway.



    So how do you explain the fact that the Samsung lawyer who had probably been working on nothing else for months couldn't tell them apart?
  • Reply 49 of 121
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    Originally Posted by jragosta View Post


    So how do you explain the fact that the Samsung lawyer who had probably been working on nothing else for months couldn't tell them apart?



    because...obviously Samesung did not copy, their product is very different.
  • Reply 50 of 121
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Firefly7475 View Post


    A person would have to be a complete idiot to look at a Galaxy Tab and an iPad and think they were the same thing.



    Originally, I would have thought it was a stretch to say that they looked identical, but humor me this: Up until early 2007, it was easy to tell the difference between a Blackberry, Nokia, Motorola, Samsung, or LG smartphone. They all had their own little gimmicks that helped to identify them as people were using them. This established each company's brand.



    Today, Apple's brand is diminished by the fact that different manufacturer's handsets and tablets look like Apple's flagship phone/tablet. HTC does differentiate some on their phones, and Blackberry still has their own ticks, even with the touchscreen devices.



    But, to tell a Samsung Galaxy Tab from an iPad in use by your neighbor, you have to look very closely at the openings on the top (especially when it is in a case). That is the only easily discernible detail to differentiate it. The trim is a little different, but it blends in.



    If we don't have products in the market that have their own identity, there will be no further innovation. When other companies copy a unique identity, they should be stopped.
  • Reply 51 of 121
    daharderdaharder Posts: 1,580member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by aaarrrgggh View Post


    Originally, I would have thought it was a stretch to say that they looked identical, but humor me this: Up until early 2007, it was easy to tell the difference between a Blackberry, Nokia, Motorola, Samsung, or LG smartphone. They all had their own little gimmicks that helped to identify them as people were using them. This established each company's brand.



    Today, Apple's brand is diminished by the fact that different manufacturer's handsets and tablets look like Apple's flagship phone/tablet. HTC does differentiate some on their phones, and Blackberry still has their own ticks, even with the touchscreen devices.



    But, to tell a Samsung Galaxy Tab from an iPad in use by your neighbor, you have to look very closely at the openings on the top (especially when it is in a case). That is the only easily discernible detail to differentiate it. The trim is a little different, but it blends in.



    If we don't have products in the market that have their own identity, there will be no further innovation. When other companies copy a unique identity, they should be stopped.



    The Samsung Galaxy Tab clearly 'has its own identity', one quite different than that of Apple devices, as it features a completely different aspect-ratio/screen resolution, is constructed using a completely different materials, has absolutely no [HOME] button anywhere on its front surface, has cameras in completely different locations, utilizes a completely different back panel design, and is both thinner and lighter than my iPad 2.



    The differences become even more obvious when one powers up each device to find completely different unlock screens, and Completely Different Operating Systems.



    As for your 'neighbor argument': Some of my neighbors still ask my wife if her Jaguar XKR is an Aston Martin, but that says more about their individual ignorance than anything else, which is clearly the case with those who can't tell a Samsung Galaxy Tab from and iPad 2.











    Apple's doing little more than trying to block the competition, and it appears that some in the legal system won't support such an attempt purely for anti-competive purposes.
  • Reply 52 of 121
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    Originally Posted by ascii View Post


    If something *that* much a copy doesn't get banned then nothing will. Patents are obviously meaningless in Australia. Or those judges think their job is to dispense "fairness." No sorry, it's to dispense justice, i.e. to punish wrongdoers, such as Samsung in this case. So do your job.





    Try reading up on patent and trademark law before pontificating and making stuff up.
  • Reply 53 of 121
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by aaarrrgggh View Post


    Originally, I would have thought it was a stretch to say that they looked identical, but humor me this: Up until early 2007, it was easy to tell the difference between a Blackberry, Nokia, Motorola, Samsung, or LG smartphone.







    Not necessarily. Check out the LG Prada, released well in advance of the 1st gen iPhone.





  • Reply 54 of 121
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    Originally Posted by Jack99 View Post


    Not necessarily. Check out the LG Prada, released well in advance of the 1st gen iPhone.



    First of all, the LG Prada KE850 looks to have went on sale 2-4 months before the iPhone. It's hard to find any official release date as if they were trying to beat the iPhone to market so they were pushing them out the door before they could build up capacity. Before that we have an announcement of the LG Prada the month before the iPhone was demoed, but I don't think we saw an actual pic of it until after the iPhone was demoed.



    Secondly, and most importantly, it's a silly argument to claim either company copied the other in such a short time frame? and that's without considering how different the HW and UI looks. There is only one reason to bring up the Prada and that's because it was the first smartphone to market with a capacitance touchscreen, but i wasn't multi-touch, something that is highly important to Apple's success in the market.
  • Reply 55 of 121
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Jack99 View Post


    Not necessarily. Check out the LG Prada, released well in advance of the 1st gen iPhone.









    Too bad this is a lie. the first iphone was shown on Jan 9, 2007. The first (photoshop) picture of the LG Prada was shown on Jan 18, 2007, some nine days after Apple showed a working device, not a picture.
  • Reply 56 of 121
    jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post


    The Samsung Galaxy Tab clearly 'has its own identity', one quite different than that of Apple devices, as it features a completely different aspect-ratio/screen resolution, is constructed using a completely different materials, has absolutely no [HOME] button anywhere on its front surface, has cameras in completely different locations, utilizes a completely different back panel design, and is both thinner and lighter than my iPad 2.



    Nice of you to repeat that claim.



    Now, where are you going to explain why a Samsung lawyer who had presumably been working on this case full time for quite a while couldn't tell the difference?
  • Reply 57 of 121
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post


    The Samsung Galaxy Tab clearly 'has its own identity', one quite different than that of Apple devices, as it features a completely different aspect-ratio/screen resolution, is constructed using a completely different materials, has absolutely no [HOME] button anywhere on its front surface, has cameras in completely different locations, utilizes a completely different back panel design, and is both thinner and lighter than my iPad 2.



    The differences become even more obvious when one powers up each device to find completely different unlock screens, and Completely Different Operating Systems.



    As for your 'neighbor argument': Some of my neighbors still ask my wife if her Jaguar XKR is an Aston Martin, but that says more about their individual ignorance than anything else, which is clearly the case with those who can't tell a Samsung Galaxy Tab from and iPad 2.











    Apple's doing little more than trying to block the competition, and it appears that some in the legal system won't support such an attempt purely for anti-competive purposes.



    You pictures show it truely is a copy. Exactly same curved corners. Exactly same width bevel. Exactly same aluminum trim. Oh, the aspect ration is different. Clearly Samesung innovated there. Of course, their tablets before the iPad looked nothing remotely like this is beyond the point, right?
  • Reply 58 of 121
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post


    I hear a clock ticking on Samsung TV dominance.

    They'll get theirs.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Galbi View Post


    You wish.



    I do. The status quo in TV is currently unrocked. A lazy stasis hangs in the musty air. It's a ripe market for the picking.
  • Reply 59 of 121
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bullhead View Post


    You pictures show it truely is a copy. Exactly same curved corners. Exactly same width bevel. Exactly same aluminum trim. Oh, the aspect ration is different. Clearly Samesung innovated there. Of course, their tablets before the iPad looked nothing remotely like this is beyond the point, right?



    Did you know: most people have pictures of their kids in their wallets. DaHarder has pictures of his tablets.
  • Reply 60 of 121
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Firefly7475 View Post


    A person would have to be a complete idiot to look at a Galaxy Tab and an iPad and think they were the same thing.





    Apple is targeting a broad demographic. Complete idiots are valued customers., Apple doesn't want to lose them to Samsung. Indeed, Apple is going to extraordinary lengths to dominate the complete idiot market.

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