Oh, I just realized another (albeit satirical) reason that absolutely no one would want an Apple HDTV over a non-hobby Apple TV:
It's going to be glossy. And we all know that we can't abide that.
To make a TV as glossy as an iMac or MacBook Pro would be crazy. Imagine watching a dark movie with all that gloss - brutal. You'd have to have a completely black room.
I hope that whatever TV functionality they muster in terms of OS that it can (and will) be embedded in future iMacs. My 27" is already the focal point of my NYC studio, and I'm a huge fan of the all-in-one beauty of the concept.
WHY should I buy an entirely new TV when Apple could just release an updated Apple TV box? Why would I use Siri? It would take longer to hold the Siri button down (as on my phone), wait for Siri to respond, have me say what I want, and then wait for Siri to process the request (over the internet)....than for me to just push a few buttons.
I actually think Siri could be the killer app. I'm truly hopeless at navigating my DirecTV. I can normally find the San Jose Sharks games, because they are on 698, but every now and then they will be on national coverage on Versus, and I have no idea what number that is. It then takes me ages to figure out how to work the guide function. How much better would it be if I could just say, "I want to watch the Sharks game"?
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Originally Posted by ghostface147
Apple better not be thinking that they can sell a 55" 1080p LED TV that normally goes for 2k (give or take) for $3000. They need to make it the same price or lower.
I honestly can't think of a single Apple product where you pay a premium, once you take into account the build quality of Apple stuff. Sure, my Macbook Pro is more expensive than an equivalent Dell (equivalent in terms of processor, memory etc.), but the build quality is way better, and that's worth paying for.
The days of the "Apple Tax" are long gone, if they ever existed, so I don't think you can assume a TV would be any different. Look at the iPad - all the other manufacturers were struggling to even match the Apple price point.
You mean you present your facts as conjecture? Or do you really have an issue with your shoes?
I mean to say that I used to have a serious problem with doing just that. It was an effort to counter the nonsensical ravings of trolls; I'd post things that were as pessimistic or conservative as possible.
But obviously that never works. I'm better about not doing that now, I think.
LOL I can't believe measures his self worth by posting pics of CE he owns.
They seem to be his pride and joy. His wallet must be full of tablet pictures. He even tucks them in at night. Isn't it ironic that you can be called a "brain-washed Apple cult member" on a pro-Apple forum by people who claim all they are doing is "appreciating non-Apple devices"?
It would be great if the Apple TV had at least two Digital Terrestrial Television (DTTV or DTT) tuners inside, for true Full Picture-in-Picture (Full PiP), as well as matte display to avoid light reflections. After image quality, Full PiP is the most important feature of a TV set for many people. Which manufacturers/models deliver that now?
Am I dreaming this or do I remember Apple buying some company a few years back that were involved in some sort of plastic sheet that could become a TV screen and that size was not an issue?
The big challenge is how to make a TV that doesn't suck as bad as all other TVs while still fitting into the infrastructure that exists for all other TVs. One of the hardest things here I think is connections&cables. Ideally an Apple TV would have a power cord and that's it. But we live in a world with a myriad of cables connecting a myriad of devices, and the TV often sits at the center of that rat's nest, OR the TV is connected to a receiver that sits in the center of the rat's nest. Having a rat's nest of cables is a key part of the current system, though.
So how does an Apple TV -- a device which ought to be the anti-rat's nest -- fit into this world?
I wonder if there might be a wireless solution. Suppose that the AppleTV has highest possible bandwidth wi-fi combined with best possible wireless HDMI. And suppose that Apple then sells an "airport express" type device (sold separately) that handles the connections to the rat's nest (maybe it would have HDMI-in, HDMI-out, optical-in, optical-out, ethernet, and that's it).
Under that scenario, the AppleTV could be an uncompromised device that still is able to fit into a compromised world. It would provide a bridge from the crappy world we live in now to a better world where we don't have to deal with 4 remotes and a rat's nest of cables. It would allow us to gradually remove those cables and extra remotes from our lives without going cold turkey.
Apple could make the coolest TV ever, but it will be like driving a Ferrari through a school zone - a school zone for special needs children. With TV it is all about the media, and I don't think an Apple TV, even with an A6 and Siri is going to solve the garbage in - garbage out problem. When a cable or satellite provider will sell TV programming on an ala carte basis and allow me to choose only the channels I want to watch and only pay for those channels, then a new TV paradigm might work. That will come right after hell freezes over. There really isn't that much quality TV programming out there to watch.
Apple could make the coolest TV ever, but it will be like driving a Ferrari through a school zone - a school zone for special needs children. With TV it is all about the media, and I don't think an Apple TV, even with an A6 and Siri is going to solve the garbage in - garbage out problem. When a cable or satellite provider will sell TV programming on an ala carte basis and allow me to choose only the channels I want to watch and only pay for those channels, then a new TV paradigm might work. That will come right after hell freezes over. There really isn't that much quality TV programming out there to watch.
The easiest solution for Apple, MS, at al. might be to mimic the cable and sat companies and selling us server-side DVR and streaming options that will work on all our devices. We'd still get the pointless channel combos we don't want but at least they might play ball. Of course, we'll get screwed with data charges, but that's an inevitable bridge to cross regardless.
Just think of all the game apps that could be on the TV plus may add new dimensions to gaming.
I can't believe that Apple is just going to build a std. TV. There has to be something special about it. Something you're not seeing or doing today.
What "new dimensions" do you think it will bring to gaming? Apple have traditionally been very conservative in this area. I think it would quickly devolve into 99c apps like angry birds you can play during ad breaks.
In other news, the iPhone nano is slated to be released on December 15, just in time for the very last of the holiday rush.
This stuff is pure speculation due to the book.
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Originally Posted by Blastdoor
The big challenge is how to make a TV that doesn't suck as bad as all other TVs while still fitting into the infrastructure that exists for all other TVs. One of the hardest things here I think is connections&cables. Ideally an Apple TV would have a power cord and that's it. But we live in a world with a myriad of cables connecting a myriad of devices, and the TV often sits at the center of that rat's nest, OR the TV is connected to a receiver that sits in the center of the rat's nest. Having a rat's nest of cables is a key part of the current system, though.
So how does an Apple TV -- a device which ought to be the anti-rat's nest -- fit into this world?
I wonder if there might be a wireless solution. Suppose that the AppleTV has highest possible bandwidth wi-fi combined with best possible wireless HDMI. And suppose that Apple then sells an "airport express" type device (sold separately) that handles the connections to the rat's nest (maybe it would have HDMI-in, HDMI-out, optical-in, optical-out, ethernet, and that's it).
Under that scenario, the AppleTV could be an uncompromised device that still is able to fit into a compromised world. It would provide a bridge from the crappy world we live in now to a better world where we don't have to deal with 4 remotes and a rat's nest of cables. It would allow us to gradually remove those cables and extra remotes from our lives without going cold turkey.
You don't seem to understand the lack of standards currently present amongst cable companies. If the hardware was completely generic, it would be much easier for television manufacturers to integrate it. As for wireless, there will be wires somewhere. We don't have the infrastructure currently to deliver all of that wirelessly. Even if you didn't have the wires directly connected to the television, something would be feeding it.
All of the things you find annoying with televisions could go away with basic enforced standards. Apple's main appeal here would be brand loyalty, and possible integration with other Apple devices, like if you could preview a channel on your iphone/ipad and use it as a remote. The other stuff would have been solved by other manufacturers a long time ago if not for the issues I mentioned.
I'm just curious as to the reasoning behind everyone's magical leap of logic that allows for 'cracked the TV' to become 'Apple is making a TV' when Apple has made a box that serves their TV purposes for nearly five years.
Am I dreaming this or do I remember Apple buying some company a few years back that were involved in some sort of plastic sheet that could become a TV screen and that size was not an issue?
Can't wait to see the interface. I hope they can port it to an external appliance like an AppleTV 2 so it can be used on larger 3rd party displays. 65" is about the smallest I'd settle for.
Couldn't agree more. I have a 37", 46", and 55". I am just about ready to get rid of the 37" and progress to a 65".
Also, having the option of 3D for (some) movies is increasingly appealing -- viewed a high-end new-plasma, 3D Panasonic the other day at a friend's, and I was quite simply blown away.
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Oh, I just realized another (albeit satirical) reason that absolutely no one would want an Apple HDTV over a non-hobby Apple TV:
It's going to be glossy. And we all know that we can't abide that.
To make a TV as glossy as an iMac or MacBook Pro would be crazy. Imagine watching a dark movie with all that gloss - brutal. You'd have to have a completely black room.
Since no one knows this, I highly doubt that.
It's called, "conjecture."
Why is it so difficult to have intelligent discourse on this site? Ugh!
It's called, "conjecture."
Then present it as such.
Why is it so difficult to have intelligent discourse on this site? Ugh!
Because people present their conjecture as fact. Shoe's on the other foot for me.
people present their conjecture as fact. Shoe's on the other foot for me.
You mean you present your facts as conjecture? Or do you really have an issue with your shoes?
WHY should I buy an entirely new TV when Apple could just release an updated Apple TV box? Why would I use Siri? It would take longer to hold the Siri button down (as on my phone), wait for Siri to respond, have me say what I want, and then wait for Siri to process the request (over the internet)....than for me to just push a few buttons.
I actually think Siri could be the killer app. I'm truly hopeless at navigating my DirecTV. I can normally find the San Jose Sharks games, because they are on 698, but every now and then they will be on national coverage on Versus, and I have no idea what number that is. It then takes me ages to figure out how to work the guide function. How much better would it be if I could just say, "I want to watch the Sharks game"?
Apple better not be thinking that they can sell a 55" 1080p LED TV that normally goes for 2k (give or take) for $3000. They need to make it the same price or lower.
I honestly can't think of a single Apple product where you pay a premium, once you take into account the build quality of Apple stuff. Sure, my Macbook Pro is more expensive than an equivalent Dell (equivalent in terms of processor, memory etc.), but the build quality is way better, and that's worth paying for.
The days of the "Apple Tax" are long gone, if they ever existed, so I don't think you can assume a TV would be any different. Look at the iPad - all the other manufacturers were struggling to even match the Apple price point.
You mean you present your facts as conjecture? Or do you really have an issue with your shoes?
I mean to say that I used to have a serious problem with doing just that. It was an effort to counter the nonsensical ravings of trolls; I'd post things that were as pessimistic or conservative as possible.
But obviously that never works.
LOL I can't believe measures his self worth by posting pics of CE he owns.
For someone who has chosen to start anew I can say with some certainty that the sniping certainly hasn't changed. Just sayin'.
For someone who has chosen to start anew I can say with some certainty that the sniping certainly hasn't changed. Just sayin'.
Thank you. That's much appreciated.
LOL I can't believe measures his self worth by posting pics of CE he owns.
They seem to be his pride and joy. His wallet must be full of tablet pictures. He even tucks them in at night. Isn't it ironic that you can be called a "brain-washed Apple cult member" on a pro-Apple forum by people who claim all they are doing is "appreciating non-Apple devices"?
So how does an Apple TV -- a device which ought to be the anti-rat's nest -- fit into this world?
I wonder if there might be a wireless solution. Suppose that the AppleTV has highest possible bandwidth wi-fi combined with best possible wireless HDMI. And suppose that Apple then sells an "airport express" type device (sold separately) that handles the connections to the rat's nest (maybe it would have HDMI-in, HDMI-out, optical-in, optical-out, ethernet, and that's it).
Under that scenario, the AppleTV could be an uncompromised device that still is able to fit into a compromised world. It would provide a bridge from the crappy world we live in now to a better world where we don't have to deal with 4 remotes and a rat's nest of cables. It would allow us to gradually remove those cables and extra remotes from our lives without going cold turkey.
Apple could make the coolest TV ever, but it will be like driving a Ferrari through a school zone - a school zone for special needs children. With TV it is all about the media, and I don't think an Apple TV, even with an A6 and Siri is going to solve the garbage in - garbage out problem. When a cable or satellite provider will sell TV programming on an ala carte basis and allow me to choose only the channels I want to watch and only pay for those channels, then a new TV paradigm might work. That will come right after hell freezes over. There really isn't that much quality TV programming out there to watch.
The easiest solution for Apple, MS, at al. might be to mimic the cable and sat companies and selling us server-side DVR and streaming options that will work on all our devices. We'd still get the pointless channel combos we don't want but at least they might play ball. Of course, we'll get screwed with data charges, but that's an inevitable bridge to cross regardless.
Just think of all the game apps that could be on the TV plus may add new dimensions to gaming.
I can't believe that Apple is just going to build a std. TV. There has to be something special about it. Something you're not seeing or doing today.
What "new dimensions" do you think it will bring to gaming? Apple have traditionally been very conservative in this area. I think it would quickly devolve into 99c apps like angry birds you can play during ad breaks.
We need an 'incredulous' emoticon here.
In other news, the iPhone nano is slated to be released on December 15, just in time for the very last of the holiday rush.
This stuff is pure speculation due to the book.
The big challenge is how to make a TV that doesn't suck as bad as all other TVs while still fitting into the infrastructure that exists for all other TVs. One of the hardest things here I think is connections&cables. Ideally an Apple TV would have a power cord and that's it. But we live in a world with a myriad of cables connecting a myriad of devices, and the TV often sits at the center of that rat's nest, OR the TV is connected to a receiver that sits in the center of the rat's nest. Having a rat's nest of cables is a key part of the current system, though.
So how does an Apple TV -- a device which ought to be the anti-rat's nest -- fit into this world?
I wonder if there might be a wireless solution. Suppose that the AppleTV has highest possible bandwidth wi-fi combined with best possible wireless HDMI. And suppose that Apple then sells an "airport express" type device (sold separately) that handles the connections to the rat's nest (maybe it would have HDMI-in, HDMI-out, optical-in, optical-out, ethernet, and that's it).
Under that scenario, the AppleTV could be an uncompromised device that still is able to fit into a compromised world. It would provide a bridge from the crappy world we live in now to a better world where we don't have to deal with 4 remotes and a rat's nest of cables. It would allow us to gradually remove those cables and extra remotes from our lives without going cold turkey.
You don't seem to understand the lack of standards currently present amongst cable companies. If the hardware was completely generic, it would be much easier for television manufacturers to integrate it. As for wireless, there will be wires somewhere. We don't have the infrastructure currently to deliver all of that wirelessly. Even if you didn't have the wires directly connected to the television, something would be feeding it.
All of the things you find annoying with televisions could go away with basic enforced standards. Apple's main appeal here would be brand loyalty, and possible integration with other Apple devices, like if you could preview a channel on your iphone/ipad and use it as a remote. The other stuff would have been solved by other manufacturers a long time ago if not for the issues I mentioned.
This stuff is pure speculation due to the book.
I'm just curious as to the reasoning behind everyone's magical leap of logic that allows for 'cracked the TV' to become 'Apple is making a TV' when Apple has made a box that serves their TV purposes for nearly five years.
Am I dreaming this or do I remember Apple buying some company a few years back that were involved in some sort of plastic sheet that could become a TV screen and that size was not an issue?
http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/plas...een-panel.html
Probably not what you had in mind.
Can't wait to see the interface. I hope they can port it to an external appliance like an AppleTV 2 so it can be used on larger 3rd party displays. 65" is about the smallest I'd settle for.
Couldn't agree more. I have a 37", 46", and 55". I am just about ready to get rid of the 37" and progress to a 65".
Also, having the option of 3D for (some) movies is increasingly appealing -- viewed a high-end new-plasma, 3D Panasonic the other day at a friend's, and I was quite simply blown away.