It amazes me that supporters of the Open Handset Alliance can discuss the preposterous Google Experience Devices initiative without a hint of irony. Apparently "Open" is now a word meaning "Beholden to Mountain View".
There are many version of android that are not "Beholden to Mountain View".
Amazon's Fire Kindle , Barns and Nobles Nook and many others have crated their own android version and will not need anything further from google.
A popular rom that many use is cyanogenmod found here
They have options. If you want the latest updates, they have the option of getting a Nexus. If they want something else, they have that option too. As long as you know what you're buying into, this news shouldn't come as a shock to anyone.
Would it be ideal if every carrier updated? Sure. But that's the choice you make when buying a specific model.
Agreed! I was just shopping at Target and I was thinking most of these people just want cheap stuff...crappy tv's, crappy phones, etc., etc.
...for a variety of socioeconomic reasons! E.g., Kids, divorce, low paying jobs, debt, education, or a combination of all of the above. Sad.
Agreed many many android units sucks. Not sure why the manufacturers would release so many cheap/free versions. Each manufacturer only needs to release one cheap/free version
You can't screw the willing. As I said, if updates matter, get a Nexus (even if they're not released day of--that shouldn't even really matter). If having an outdated phone updated outside of a contract period is important, get an iPhone. Nexuses are updated for roughly 2-years, which is when most people's contracts are expiring, thus most would get a new phone anyway.
And at least the Nexus updates don't cripple one's phone like iOS4 did to my iPhone 3G and made it very nearly unusable (and is partially what drove me to Nexus).
No you can screw the uninformed though. Which is most people that buy (or are given) these devices.
These update scenarios sound very familiar. Think of OS upgrades from, say IBM, or enterprise software like SAP, or Peoplesoft, or database software like Sqlserver, DB2 and Oracle. Each licensee for these multi-million dollar applications spend six to eighteen months and millions of dollars to upgrade their current software -- if they do it at all. Same with patches.
Why? Each implementation is specially configured. Local patches, local configurations, local interfaces to enterprise systems, local business rules which must be supported.
Android from Google is the same. Not even Microsoft with Windows ran their shop this poorly.
These update scenarios sound very familiar. Think of OS upgrades from, say IBM, or enterprise software like SAP, or Peoplesoft, or database software like Sqlserver, DB2 and Oracle. Each licensee for these multi-million dollar applications spend six to eighteen months and millions of dollars to upgrade their current software -- if they do it at all. Same with patches.
Why? Each implementation is specially configured. Local patches, local configurations, local interfaces to enterprise systems, local business rules which must be supported.
Android from Google is the same. Not even Microsoft with Windows ran their shop this poorly.
If you are trying to compare windows and Android then I would believe google would welcome the dominance windows has over Mac os in market share. Fits into goggles data mining strategy. That said any company would welcome apples profit margin.
This just shows the Android handset makers don't get software. I've been wondering if these handset makers or carriers will get hit with a class action lawsuit of some sort over the devices becoming obsolete before phone contracts are up. There is always planned obsoleteness with computers, but not even making it a year is pretty ridiculous. What are the advantages of an open platform again? What motivation do developers have to target past a version of Android more then two years old?
Some of the features seem to be closing the gap but the overall feel of Android is still inelegant. It feels like it was designed by children for children.
LOL... I love that this comment is the top-rated one on that YT video:
PLEASE androiddevelopers , make the browser zooming smoother like the ipad!!!! Evey tablet i use , it doesn't feel as smooth!!!!!!!!!!!! Please fix this issue!
LOL... I love that this comment is the top-rated one on that YT video:
PLEASE androiddevelopers , make the browser zooming smoother like the ipad!!!! Evey tablet i use , it doesn't feel as smooth!!!!!!!!!!!! Please fix this issue!
Yup, sums it up nicely.
But you'll see the Android fans here that browser zooming has been there for x-long, yet with iOS it's been smooth and intelligent side day one. I have no idea how much more effort that (and other actions) takes in coding but it's apparently extensive since others lack a good user experience from top to bottom. "But Android has the feature! It's right there on the spec sheet, Bro!"
your iPhone 3G was out of contract, or nearly so, by the time iOS 4 came out. that's the essential promise any OEM should make to its customers: 2 years of current OS updates. after that, maybe.
currently the 2.5 year old iPhone 3GS has gotten the latest iOS 5 update. not all of it of course, but a lot. it will have at least a 3 year 'current OS' lifespan. that is undeniably the best in the industry today.
but no Android phone more than a year old will get ICS, period.
so you're excuse is Android buyers should realize their OS support window will very possibly be less than their contract term? well, ok, yes, i agree every sucker should realize they are being played for a fool. but that is no excuse for the behavior of the trickster.
your iPhone 3G was out of contract, or nearly so, by the time iOS 4 came out. that's the essential promise any OEM should make to its customers: 2 years of current OS updates. after that, maybe.
currently the 2.5 year old iPhone 3GS has gotten the latest iOS 5 update. not all of it of course, but a lot. it will have at least a 3 year 'current OS' lifespan. that is undeniably the best in the industry today.
but no Android phone more than a year old will get ICS, period.
so you're excuse is Android buyers should realize their OS support window will very possibly be less than their contract term? well, ok, yes, i agree every sucker should realize they are being played for a fool. but that is no excuse for the behavior of the trickster.
What's even worse are the Android-base devices coming out now that won't see ICS for many months or not even at all because the HW isnt good enough or the vendor or carrier just didn't think it was worth the effort (an it probably isn't considering the poor per model sales).
Unlike Google, Apple have a 3-4 month beta period of their OS. During this time carriers can test the OS.
If Google also had an open beta, they would not have as much problems as they have.
How is it with backups and Apps on Android?
I have backups from my original iPhone that I can read into my phone. Handy if I need a special SMS or call list. Can an Ericsson phone read the backups from a Motorola phone? I doubt it.
How is it when people change phones? Apple: Sync your phone: all SMS, contacts, layout, apps are synced.
I bet that is not the same with Android. I can't just plug in my new Nexus and have all my contacts, layout and so on transferred.
How about Apps? If I buy 100 Android apps on my HTC and change to a Motorola: will the apps automatically transfer? Will they even work? How do people sync their stuff? Dragging folders in explorer?
The sad thing with Android is that most Android users never have/will use iOS. They believe its natural to have malware, that stuff won't work with a new phone and so on.
I think Apples strategy is great. Supporting 2+ year old phones. I bet that many do the same thing as I do: when I get the latest iPhone, someone in my family gets the old on. That is one more person liberated from fragmented systems.
Android does backups over the cloud. The thing that Apple just got into. All of your app purchases are kept on file or rather in a digital locker and you can redownload them anytime. Your contacts are sync wirelessly. Most highend android can run any non gaming app (There are many that require a tegra).
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Originally Posted by mbarriault
I'm just going to point this part out
and remind people that iOS updates reach every iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch on the same day at the same hour for every carrier in every country.
And apple has much more power with the carrier then Google or any of the OEMS could ever wish for. Including Nokia and Microsoft.
Android and iOS have completely different update features. While most of the core apps within android are updated individually. Applications like the Market, youtube, and maps are updated differently then the overall OS. While iOS does really the opposite and gives software features only to newer phones (Siri). Many of the features that apple have left in the updates for the older hardware is similar to how Google does different app updates to compensate for slow updates. And the post that Motorola and Sony put out was really the process that they have to go through it was not telling people why they have to wait (most consumers don't care). No everyday consumer buys an item today for what it will do in a month. Poeple buy something for what it can do at the time of purchase.
Every month (or year) that the official Google release of the source code is delayed reduces the number of legacy devices (if any at all) to be supported by the manufacturers.
It wouldn't surprise me a bit if those manufacturers were leaning on Google to obtain extra delays.
Neither Amazon or Barnes & Noble make phones and there are precious few other Android forks commercialised in the West. The "Open" Handset Alliance is a sham.
Please. I could say the same about you and your devotion to iPhone. At least I owned both devices; I doubt the same of you.
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Originally Posted by Alfiejr
but no Android phone more than a year old will get ICS, period.
Indeed. Wherever did I argue that? Hell, I even earlier said if you want updates beyond your contract period, go iPhone. I really don't know why you're arguing with me at this point, particularly because...
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Originally Posted by Alfiejr
so you're excuse is Android buyers should realize their OS support window will very possibly be less than their contract term? well, ok, yes, i agree every sucker should realize they are being played for a fool. but that is no excuse for the behavior of the trickster.
Wait, so you agree with my "excuse"? I'm not sure what we're debating then. I said before it would be nice if everyone updated, but it's not like it's a secret. You know what you're getting when you buy the device; if you want 2+years of updates, go Nexus, if you don't care, get something else.
It's even more of a mess than people know. My neighbor bought a cheap tablet several months ago and installed Android on it. But, it wasn't an "official" Android tablet. A few months later, he was unable to access the app market due to this. Only recently was this policy apparently rescinded.
So, your friend bought a tablet, installed an unsupported OS onto the device and then was surprised that not everything worked right? That's quite the shocker...
Let's get this straight. Sony et al want to sell you a phone. Once that sale has gone through there is no profit to them in upgrading that phone, in fact it costs them money. They are much better off letting your current phone become obsolete, it's not really obsolete, but in some people's eyes it is. You then buy another phone and the cycle continues. The same rule applies to Apple but they choose not to go down that route. They have much greater customer loyalty and know that when eventually you do decide to upgrade it will most likely be to another iPhone anyway.
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It amazes me that supporters of the Open Handset Alliance can discuss the preposterous Google Experience Devices initiative without a hint of irony. Apparently "Open" is now a word meaning "Beholden to Mountain View".
There are many version of android that are not "Beholden to Mountain View".
Amazon's Fire Kindle , Barns and Nobles Nook and many others have crated their own android version and will not need anything further from google.
A popular rom that many use is cyanogenmod found here
http://www.cyanogenmod.com/
They have options. If you want the latest updates, they have the option of getting a Nexus. If they want something else, they have that option too. As long as you know what you're buying into, this news shouldn't come as a shock to anyone.
Would it be ideal if every carrier updated? Sure. But that's the choice you make when buying a specific model.
Nice spin.
Agreed! I was just shopping at Target and I was thinking most of these people just want cheap stuff...crappy tv's, crappy phones, etc., etc.
...for a variety of socioeconomic reasons! E.g., Kids, divorce, low paying jobs, debt, education, or a combination of all of the above. Sad.
Agreed many many android units sucks. Not sure why the manufacturers would release so many cheap/free versions. Each manufacturer only needs to release one cheap/free version
You can't screw the willing. As I said, if updates matter, get a Nexus (even if they're not released day of--that shouldn't even really matter). If having an outdated phone updated outside of a contract period is important, get an iPhone. Nexuses are updated for roughly 2-years, which is when most people's contracts are expiring, thus most would get a new phone anyway.
And at least the Nexus updates don't cripple one's phone like iOS4 did to my iPhone 3G and made it very nearly unusable (and is partially what drove me to Nexus).
No you can screw the uninformed though. Which is most people that buy (or are given) these devices.
No you can screw the uninformed though. Which is most people that buy (or are given) these devices.
You will find many uniformed users on both camps.
Why? Each implementation is specially configured. Local patches, local configurations, local interfaces to enterprise systems, local business rules which must be supported.
Android from Google is the same. Not even Microsoft with Windows ran their shop this poorly.
These update scenarios sound very familiar. Think of OS upgrades from, say IBM, or enterprise software like SAP, or Peoplesoft, or database software like Sqlserver, DB2 and Oracle. Each licensee for these multi-million dollar applications spend six to eighteen months and millions of dollars to upgrade their current software -- if they do it at all. Same with patches.
Why? Each implementation is specially configured. Local patches, local configurations, local interfaces to enterprise systems, local business rules which must be supported.
Android from Google is the same. Not even Microsoft with Windows ran their shop this poorly.
If you are trying to compare windows and Android then I would believe google would welcome the dominance windows has over Mac os in market share. Fits into goggles data mining strategy. That said any company would welcome apples profit margin.
Nice spin.
What's inaccurate about it?
Some of the features seem to be closing the gap but the overall feel of Android is still inelegant. It feels like it was designed by children for children.
Check out this video. This is not something Apple would ever release: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=-F_ke3rxopc
LOL... I love that this comment is the top-rated one on that YT video:Yup, sums it up nicely.
LOL... I love that this comment is the top-rated one on that YT video:Yup, sums it up nicely.
But you'll see the Android fans here that browser zooming has been there for x-long, yet with iOS it's been smooth and intelligent side day one. I have no idea how much more effort that (and other actions) takes in coding but it's apparently extensive since others lack a good user experience from top to bottom. "But Android has the feature! It's right there on the spec sheet, Bro!"
What's inaccurate about it?
your Stockholm Syndrome.
your iPhone 3G was out of contract, or nearly so, by the time iOS 4 came out. that's the essential promise any OEM should make to its customers: 2 years of current OS updates. after that, maybe.
currently the 2.5 year old iPhone 3GS has gotten the latest iOS 5 update. not all of it of course, but a lot. it will have at least a 3 year 'current OS' lifespan. that is undeniably the best in the industry today.
but no Android phone more than a year old will get ICS, period.
so you're excuse is Android buyers should realize their OS support window will very possibly be less than their contract term? well, ok, yes, i agree every sucker should realize they are being played for a fool. but that is no excuse for the behavior of the trickster.
your Stockholm Syndrome.
your iPhone 3G was out of contract, or nearly so, by the time iOS 4 came out. that's the essential promise any OEM should make to its customers: 2 years of current OS updates. after that, maybe.
currently the 2.5 year old iPhone 3GS has gotten the latest iOS 5 update. not all of it of course, but a lot. it will have at least a 3 year 'current OS' lifespan. that is undeniably the best in the industry today.
but no Android phone more than a year old will get ICS, period.
so you're excuse is Android buyers should realize their OS support window will very possibly be less than their contract term? well, ok, yes, i agree every sucker should realize they are being played for a fool. but that is no excuse for the behavior of the trickster.
What's even worse are the Android-base devices coming out now that won't see ICS for many months or not even at all because the HW isnt good enough or the vendor or carrier just didn't think it was worth the effort (an it probably isn't considering the poor per model sales).
Unlike Google, Apple have a 3-4 month beta period of their OS. During this time carriers can test the OS.
If Google also had an open beta, they would not have as much problems as they have.
How is it with backups and Apps on Android?
I have backups from my original iPhone that I can read into my phone. Handy if I need a special SMS or call list. Can an Ericsson phone read the backups from a Motorola phone? I doubt it.
How is it when people change phones? Apple: Sync your phone: all SMS, contacts, layout, apps are synced.
I bet that is not the same with Android. I can't just plug in my new Nexus and have all my contacts, layout and so on transferred.
How about Apps? If I buy 100 Android apps on my HTC and change to a Motorola: will the apps automatically transfer? Will they even work? How do people sync their stuff? Dragging folders in explorer?
The sad thing with Android is that most Android users never have/will use iOS. They believe its natural to have malware, that stuff won't work with a new phone and so on.
I think Apples strategy is great. Supporting 2+ year old phones. I bet that many do the same thing as I do: when I get the latest iPhone, someone in my family gets the old on. That is one more person liberated from fragmented systems.
Android does backups over the cloud. The thing that Apple just got into. All of your app purchases are kept on file or rather in a digital locker and you can redownload them anytime. Your contacts are sync wirelessly. Most highend android can run any non gaming app (There are many that require a tegra).
I'm just going to point this part out
and remind people that iOS updates reach every iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch on the same day at the same hour for every carrier in every country.
And apple has much more power with the carrier then Google or any of the OEMS could ever wish for. Including Nokia and Microsoft.
Android and iOS have completely different update features. While most of the core apps within android are updated individually. Applications like the Market, youtube, and maps are updated differently then the overall OS. While iOS does really the opposite and gives software features only to newer phones (Siri). Many of the features that apple have left in the updates for the older hardware is similar to how Google does different app updates to compensate for slow updates. And the post that Motorola and Sony put out was really the process that they have to go through it was not telling people why they have to wait (most consumers don't care). No everyday consumer buys an item today for what it will do in a month. Poeple buy something for what it can do at the time of purchase.
It wouldn't surprise me a bit if those manufacturers were leaning on Google to obtain extra delays.
There are many version of android that are not "Beholden to Mountain View".
Amazon's Fire Kindle , Barns and Nobles Nook and many others have crated their own android version and will not need anything further from google.
A popular rom that many use is cyanogenmod found here
http://www.cyanogenmod.com/
Neither Amazon or Barnes & Noble make phones and there are precious few other Android forks commercialised in the West. The "Open" Handset Alliance is a sham.
your Stockholm Syndrome.
Please. I could say the same about you and your devotion to iPhone. At least I owned both devices; I doubt the same of you.
but no Android phone more than a year old will get ICS, period.
Indeed. Wherever did I argue that? Hell, I even earlier said if you want updates beyond your contract period, go iPhone. I really don't know why you're arguing with me at this point, particularly because...
so you're excuse is Android buyers should realize their OS support window will very possibly be less than their contract term? well, ok, yes, i agree every sucker should realize they are being played for a fool. but that is no excuse for the behavior of the trickster.
Wait, so you agree with my "excuse"? I'm not sure what we're debating then. I said before it would be nice if everyone updated, but it's not like it's a secret. You know what you're getting when you buy the device; if you want 2+years of updates, go Nexus, if you don't care, get something else.
It's even more of a mess than people know. My neighbor bought a cheap tablet several months ago and installed Android on it. But, it wasn't an "official" Android tablet. A few months later, he was unable to access the app market due to this. Only recently was this policy apparently rescinded.
So, your friend bought a tablet, installed an unsupported OS onto the device and then was surprised that not everything worked right? That's quite the shocker...