A way to deal with owing China money is to sell them stuff they buy, Apple is starting to do this, GM is doing it, Mary Kay cosmetics etc. Manufacturing and buying works both ways....
The balance of payments is often very misleading anyway. If china buys the parts for an iPhone for $190, assembles it and then sells the completed package to apple for $200 (this is the effect, I chose the wording just to elucidate the concept, obviously china inc doesn't buy, create and then sell iPhones to apple) then the USA has a trade deficit with china of $200. But china only keeps $10 of that.
It is good to see that Apple is able to play ball with the Reds. That will add to their profits.
But will Apple's slave labor be able to afford an iPhone?
Let's see...
All BMW employees drive BMWs!
All Sony employees own the latest Bravia!
All Boeing employees own their private Jet!
All Ferrari Employees own a Ferrari!
All employees in HP's manufacturing plants own the latest HP Laptops!
The list can be very long.
Now lets see some facts -
1. Foxconn employees are paid more than average wages in China. It certainly not at par with US wages but certainly more than what the non-Foxconn persons are getting. May be they are happy to get the "extra" than crying for US level wages.
2. People/Businesses will always do/try to relocate where cost is lower. You do consider this when renting a house, choosing a school, buying the new phone. You set a minimum standard and buy/rent the least cost option which meets the minimum standard.
3. Do you have any suggestion or just venting your rant?
A way to deal with owing China money is to sell them stuff they buy, Apple is starting to do this, GM is doing it, Mary Kay cosmetics etc. Manufacturing and buying works both ways....
Apple selling China their own product, at a much better profit than the factory makes.
I'm wondering what caused the delay getting approval?
All employees in HP's manufacturing plants own the latest HP Laptops!
The list can be very long.
Don't compare owning BMWs, Ferraris and Boeings with owning a darn phone or a laptop.
I bet everyone who works for Nike or Adidas can afford a pair of Nike/Adidas brand shoes, or you choose the shoe brand. Same goes for all other goods which are, say, cheaper than couple of hundreds bucks. More expensive goods go into "really needed can/cannot be afforded" category.
Don't compare owning BMWs, Ferraris and Boeings with owning a darn phone or a laptop.
I bet everyone who works for Nike or Adidas can afford a pair of Nike/Adidas brand shoes, or you choose the shoe brand. Same goes for all other goods which are, say, cheaper than couple of hundreds bucks. More expensive goods go into "really needed can/cannot be afforded" category.
Why not make the comparison? Why should the demarcation line be your arbitrary "couple of hundred bucks"? Couldn't a 'couple of hundred bucks' be just as out of range as the cost of a new BMW, Ferrari, or Boeing jet? Can people not take out loans to buy cars or anything else their manufacturer makes? That loan payment falls into 'what they can afford', and as such becomes part of their lifestyle.
Why not make the comparison? Why should the demarcation line be your arbitrary "couple of hundred bucks"? Couldn't a 'couple of hundred bucks' be just as out of range as the cost of a new BMW, Ferrari, or Boeing jet? Can people not take out loans to buy cars or anything else their manufacturer makes? That loan payment falls into 'what they can afford', and as such becomes part of their lifestyle.
Right. To even start to have a sensible conversation about this, we would want to know what life was like for a Foxconn worker before joining the workforce, and what it is like now, in detail. Has anyone seen anything objective along these lines? Would be an interesting story, but we'll have to wait for some real journalism or real communication with the sources.
Meanwhile, xenophobic comments like CJ's and JoshA's are only stupidly counterproductive, and examples of how America's citizens remain in the shadow of certain "news organizations." Fortunately, Apple is way ahead of them.
Right. To even start to have a sensible conversation about this, we would want to know what life was like for a Foxconn worker before joining the workforce, and what it is like now, in detail. Has anyone seen anything objective along these lines? Would be an interesting story, but we'll have to wait for some real journalism or real communication with the sources.
Meanwhile, xenophobic comments like CJ's and JoshA's are only stupidly counterproductive, and examples of how America's citizens remain in the shadow of certain "news organizations." Fortunately, Apple is way ahead of them.
So true, did you see recently that studies show those American citizens that remain in the shadow of that certain "news organization" cough cough... know less about the world than those that watch no news ...
Right. To even start to have a sensible conversation about this, we would want to know what life was like for a Foxconn worker before joining the workforce, and what it is like now, in detail.
Well, before, they used to get chased by lions and other wild animals, and they lived in grass huts.
Now, they live in the massa's house and eat hog jowls.
So true, did you see recently that studies show those American citizens that remain in the shadow of that certain "news organization" cough cough... know less about the world than those that watch no news ...
I did, and maybe you agree it's a dodgy business to mention them by name. Or not to mention them. Wait, I'm confused for some reason . . .
People in general cannot take out loans to by jet airplanes. HTH.
Depends on who the person is. You or I, maybe not. Celebrities or athletes most certainly can. A cursory look around the internet finds jets for sale in the $500,000 range, or not too far off the price of a new Ferrari.
So true, did you see recently that studies show those American citizens that remain in the shadow of that certain "news organization" cough cough... know less about the world than those that watch no news ...
Based on the people I know who are devotees of said "news organization", I'd say that study was 100% accurate.
Depends on who the person is. You or I, maybe not. Celebrities or athletes most certainly can. A cursory look around the internet finds jets for sale in the $500,000 range, or not too far off the price of a new Ferrari.
I specified "people in general". Had I said "no person", then you might have some sort of a weak point. As it is, not even that.
Excuse me for intruding upon this liberal off topic political circle jerk that is taking place in this thread, but it is my duty as a highly informed and intelligent person to point out that the study which certain people are referring to also happened to mention another news network too.
The viewers of that news network (which I of course will not dare mention, but it is found on the opposite political spectrum of the network that certain people here are hinting at) were found to be equally as clueless, depending on the issue.
Since we're playing a game of not mentioning any names, here is a quote from a news article about that study. I have removed the names of the guilty.
xxxxxxx and xxxxxxx viewers both fared poorly overall, but on different issues.
And the ironic part is that some of the same people taking part in this liberal circle jerk are the same people to always whine and get upset whenever somebody else happens to make any political comment in any thread. They especially get their panties all wet if somebody happens to mention the name of a person who happens to live in a particular house in Washington. I of course can't mention the name of that house, but it is the polar opposite of a black house. Yet, here these hypocritical biased people can be found doing exactly what they whine about.
Henry Ford did a lot of great things, but his personal and social predilections left something to be desired: he was a eugenicist, and something of an anti-Semite.
Yep, the stuff about XXX News is off topic. Why it came up: The very first post in the thread was an example of a brain pretend-damaged by certain news organizations (didn't say which, but some are worse than others) preying on, attempting to stir up, other damaged brains.
On topic, Apple is way ahead of anyone in the US in working with China that I can think of, unlike those here stirring up xenophobia. And President Hu is just today talking about increasing imports to balance things out:
"Chinese President Hu Jintao said Sunday that China doesn't intentionally pursue a large trade surplus and that it will focus on expanding imports in the coming years.
"In a speech broadcast live on state television, Hu said China's ultimate aim is to have balanced trade and that total imports will exceed $8 trillion over the next five years, bringing 'enormous opportunities' to businesses around the world eager to sell to hundreds of millions of Chinese consumers.
"Hu was speaking at a forum to commemorate the 10-year anniversary of China's accession to the World Trade Organization."
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A way to deal with owing China money is to sell them stuff they buy, Apple is starting to do this, GM is doing it, Mary Kay cosmetics etc. Manufacturing and buying works both ways....
The balance of payments is often very misleading anyway. If china buys the parts for an iPhone for $190, assembles it and then sells the completed package to apple for $200 (this is the effect, I chose the wording just to elucidate the concept, obviously china inc doesn't buy, create and then sell iPhones to apple) then the USA has a trade deficit with china of $200. But china only keeps $10 of that.
It is good to see that Apple is able to play ball with the Reds. That will add to their profits.
But will Apple's slave labor be able to afford an iPhone?
Let's see...
All BMW employees drive BMWs!
All Sony employees own the latest Bravia!
All Boeing employees own their private Jet!
All Ferrari Employees own a Ferrari!
All employees in HP's manufacturing plants own the latest HP Laptops!
The list can be very long.
Now lets see some facts -
1. Foxconn employees are paid more than average wages in China. It certainly not at par with US wages but certainly more than what the non-Foxconn persons are getting. May be they are happy to get the "extra" than crying for US level wages.
2. People/Businesses will always do/try to relocate where cost is lower. You do consider this when renting a house, choosing a school, buying the new phone. You set a minimum standard and buy/rent the least cost option which meets the minimum standard.
3. Do you have any suggestion or just venting your rant?
A way to deal with owing China money is to sell them stuff they buy, Apple is starting to do this, GM is doing it, Mary Kay cosmetics etc. Manufacturing and buying works both ways....
Apple selling China their own product, at a much better profit than the factory makes.
I'm wondering what caused the delay getting approval?
Time needed for China to develop spyware ?
Let's see...
All BMW employees drive BMWs!
All Sony employees own the latest Bravia!
All Boeing employees own their private Jet!
All Ferrari Employees own a Ferrari!
All employees in HP's manufacturing plants own the latest HP Laptops!
The list can be very long.
Don't compare owning BMWs, Ferraris and Boeings with owning a darn phone or a laptop.
I bet everyone who works for Nike or Adidas can afford a pair of Nike/Adidas brand shoes, or you choose the shoe brand. Same goes for all other goods which are, say, cheaper than couple of hundreds bucks. More expensive goods go into "really needed can/cannot be afforded" category.
It is good to see that Apple is able to play ball with the Reds. That will add to their profits.
But will Apple's slave labor be able to afford an iPhone?
Still trolling I see.
Don't compare owning BMWs, Ferraris and Boeings with owning a darn phone or a laptop.
I bet everyone who works for Nike or Adidas can afford a pair of Nike/Adidas brand shoes, or you choose the shoe brand. Same goes for all other goods which are, say, cheaper than couple of hundreds bucks. More expensive goods go into "really needed can/cannot be afforded" category.
Why not make the comparison? Why should the demarcation line be your arbitrary "couple of hundred bucks"? Couldn't a 'couple of hundred bucks' be just as out of range as the cost of a new BMW, Ferrari, or Boeing jet? Can people not take out loans to buy cars or anything else their manufacturer makes? That loan payment falls into 'what they can afford', and as such becomes part of their lifestyle.
Why not make the comparison? Why should the demarcation line be your arbitrary "couple of hundred bucks"? Couldn't a 'couple of hundred bucks' be just as out of range as the cost of a new BMW, Ferrari, or Boeing jet? Can people not take out loans to buy cars or anything else their manufacturer makes? That loan payment falls into 'what they can afford', and as such becomes part of their lifestyle.
Right. To even start to have a sensible conversation about this, we would want to know what life was like for a Foxconn worker before joining the workforce, and what it is like now, in detail. Has anyone seen anything objective along these lines? Would be an interesting story, but we'll have to wait for some real journalism or real communication with the sources.
Meanwhile, xenophobic comments like CJ's and JoshA's are only stupidly counterproductive, and examples of how America's citizens remain in the shadow of certain "news organizations." Fortunately, Apple is way ahead of them.
3. Do you have any suggestion or just venting your rant?
Apple should study Henry Ford's methods.
Right. To even start to have a sensible conversation about this, we would want to know what life was like for a Foxconn worker before joining the workforce, and what it is like now, in detail. Has anyone seen anything objective along these lines? Would be an interesting story, but we'll have to wait for some real journalism or real communication with the sources.
Meanwhile, xenophobic comments like CJ's and JoshA's are only stupidly counterproductive, and examples of how America's citizens remain in the shadow of certain "news organizations." Fortunately, Apple is way ahead of them.
So true, did you see recently that studies show those American citizens that remain in the shadow of that certain "news organization" cough cough... know less about the world than those that watch no news ...
or Boeing jet? Can people not take out loans to buy cars or anything else their manufacturer makes?
People in general cannot take out loans to by jet airplanes. HTH.
Right. To even start to have a sensible conversation about this, we would want to know what life was like for a Foxconn worker before joining the workforce, and what it is like now, in detail.
Well, before, they used to get chased by lions and other wild animals, and they lived in grass huts.
Now, they live in the massa's house and eat hog jowls.
That is all that one needs to know!
So true, did you see recently that studies show those American citizens that remain in the shadow of that certain "news organization" cough cough... know less about the world than those that watch no news ...
I did, and maybe you agree it's a dodgy business to mention them by name. Or not to mention them. Wait, I'm confused for some reason . . .
Orwell was a romantic.
People in general cannot take out loans to by jet airplanes. HTH.
Depends on who the person is. You or I, maybe not. Celebrities or athletes most certainly can. A cursory look around the internet finds jets for sale in the $500,000 range, or not too far off the price of a new Ferrari.
So true, did you see recently that studies show those American citizens that remain in the shadow of that certain "news organization" cough cough... know less about the world than those that watch no news ...
Based on the people I know who are devotees of said "news organization", I'd say that study was 100% accurate.
Depends on who the person is. You or I, maybe not. Celebrities or athletes most certainly can. A cursory look around the internet finds jets for sale in the $500,000 range, or not too far off the price of a new Ferrari.
I specified "people in general". Had I said "no person", then you might have some sort of a weak point. As it is, not even that.
The viewers of that news network (which I of course will not dare mention, but it is found on the opposite political spectrum of the network that certain people here are hinting at) were found to be equally as clueless, depending on the issue.
Since we're playing a game of not mentioning any names, here is a quote from a news article about that study. I have removed the names of the guilty.
xxxxxxx and xxxxxxx viewers both fared poorly overall, but on different issues.
And the ironic part is that some of the same people taking part in this liberal circle jerk are the same people to always whine and get upset whenever somebody else happens to make any political comment in any thread. They especially get their panties all wet if somebody happens to mention the name of a person who happens to live in a particular house in Washington. I of course can't mention the name of that house, but it is the polar opposite of a black house. Yet, here these hypocritical biased people can be found doing exactly what they whine about.
Apple should study Henry Ford's methods.
Henry Ford did a lot of great things, but his personal and social predilections left something to be desired: he was a eugenicist, and something of an anti-Semite.
On topic, Apple is way ahead of anyone in the US in working with China that I can think of, unlike those here stirring up xenophobia. And President Hu is just today talking about increasing imports to balance things out:
"Chinese President Hu Jintao said Sunday that China doesn't intentionally pursue a large trade surplus and that it will focus on expanding imports in the coming years.
"In a speech broadcast live on state television, Hu said China's ultimate aim is to have balanced trade and that total imports will exceed $8 trillion over the next five years, bringing 'enormous opportunities' to businesses around the world eager to sell to hundreds of millions of Chinese consumers.
"Hu was speaking at a forum to commemorate the 10-year anniversary of China's accession to the World Trade Organization."
Link: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...f022838S75.DTL
...and something of an anti-Semite.
That is putting it lightly.