i believe we'll see it at mwny too. from what i've heard it should be sampling right about now or a few weeks ago. i'm keeping my fingers crossed as well.
<strong>The G5 will appear as soon as Motorola will be able to fab efficiently in SOI 0,13 .
There is only one company now able to produce efficiently on SOI 0,13 it's IBM. AMD is not supposed to produce SOI 0,13 until the end of the year, and for the moment does not produc 0,13 micron process. Intel fab on 0,13 process but not on SOI (or equivalent).
Mot will continue to improve the G4 line (perhaps using some G5 tweaks) until he can reach o,13 SOI. When Mot will reach this limit, the G5 will appear. The architecture is ready but not the fab process. Contrary to the past where Mot was stuck at 500 mhz, Mot will not wait the new fab process without do any improvement on his chip line. We have the 7455 who add just a new gestion of the L3 cache, we will have soon the 7460 that will have DDR memory controller, but the same amount of L2 cache if still make on a 0,18 micron process. I think that the 512 L2 cache will wait until 0,13 , like the Intel chips.
So i make this statement : 7460 with ddr memory controller for MWNY. G5 in 2003 perhaps in january if Mot is not too late in the developpement of 0,13 SOI.
I am not a chip engineer, but iam ready to bet it's more simple to make an new chip architecture than to develop a new fab process.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You are thinking of the 7470 G4. The 7470 is the one that will be .13micron, support DDR-Ram, 512k L2, and 4MB L3.
The 7460 will be .13micron and doesn't support L3.
'if you just stop buying from Apple, then Apple has to guess as to why; but if you write them, then they know what to aim for'?
We are all beckoning for the 'great G5' and we all yearn for greater overall speed. Well, how much do we want (realistically)?
How would you like to give Apple a clear idea of what it is we want as well as a means to hold them accountable to our market demand?
The answer to this is for us to publish a comprehensive list of desired performance metrics. These metrics would not pertain to some component but to results, such as how fast to render a DVD, how long to perform some operation in Photoshop (already available probably), audio/video latency, number of audio channels supported (?...for those 5.1 folks out there), etc.
I'd really like for us to put out heads together on this (start a new thread; I'm not sure if a newbie can on this forum) and publish something to challenge Apple with, something specific and results oriented.
But this is challenging for us to put together. Otherwise, we could just keep bantering about ambiguous performance desires that can seldom be boiled down into anything more than 'something that kick's the x86's worlds ass'. We could make a real impact by publishing detailed performance metrics objectives!!!
According to recent rumors, it appears that a 1.5 GHz G5 may make an appearance at MWNY. If it does, then we can expect a RapdiIO bus and that the bandwidth problem on Powermacs will be solved.
The question is, why hasn't Dorsal posted recently?
When Dorsal has new prototypes that are a generation ahead of the G5 he describes here, then we will know the G5 is about to be released. For example, if Dorsal suddenly got a test mule with PC2700 RAM in place of PC2100 RAM, then that would be a good sign that the first G5 Powermacs are ready.
<strong>For example, if Dorsal suddenly got a test mule with PC2700 RAM in place of PC2100 RAM, then that would be a good sign that the first G5 Powermacs are ready.</strong><hr></blockquote>
This is his/her last post:
"A whole new paradigm in PowerMac design will be introduced soon and it will be a modern example in smart computer design, taking advantage of new trechnologies and foward thinking design. These are late beta machines and the finishing touches are being applied to cut out the rough edges for consumer consumption.
An undisclosed amount of time ago we received 2 new PowerMacs for testing. These were in generic G4 cases but were painted another color (black). I doubt this is indicative of future case but an attempt to obfuscate what the real case will look like.
These 2 systems are similar to the last one we received. Both are G5 based running at speeds of 1.33GHz and 1.66GHz. As you can tell from these speeds, the RapidIO bus has been upgraded from 500MHz to 667MHz, most likely, in my opinion, to be more syncronous with a DDR-333 RAM option, although this is not as necessary as those to busses are not shared as they were with MPX. I beleive this processor also is limited to processing 32bit integers but memory addressing has been increased to the 40-48bit area. In the documentation it shows the motherboards having support for 64GB but that processor can access more in future motherboard implementations. Possibly as high as 4TB (42bit addressing). The heatsinks are minimal with no active cooling so higher speed processors are likely down the pipeline. These units have full support for PC2700 DDR-SDRAM and contain 3 slots on the card. AGP remains 4X (GeForce4 MX) and the standard 4 PCI slots are all operational. Testing will begin sometime today. I hope to have more details soon."
When did Dorsal make that post? It is strange thet he hasn't told us what he has found about the machine he describes. Has he been rumbled, I would have thought we would have heard something, as we have when other insiders have been caught.
According to recent rumors, it appears that a 1.5 GHz G5 may make an appearance at MWNY. If it does, then we can expect a RapdiIO bus and that the bandwidth problem on Powermacs will be solved.
The question is, why hasn't Dorsal posted recently?
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hint ... Look at the date of Doral's last post, then go back to "the road to MWNY" thread and ready some of the posts on May 27th.
<strong>When did Dorsal make that post? It is strange thet he hasn't told us what he has found about the machine he describes. Has he been rumbled, I would have thought we would have heard something, as we have when other insiders have been caught.
C'mon guys, what does it take? A sledgehammer? "Early April"... come on, think about it. April 1st would be in early April, wouldn't it? And what's April 1st again?
Did a search for Dorsal stuff earlier, was his last post not at the end of April? 23rd or something? Can't remember, might be wrong, but I don't think it was early April - who posts April fools joks on the 3rd of April anyway?
<strong>Did a search for Dorsal stuff earlier, was his last post not at the end of April? 23rd or something? Can't remember, might be wrong, but I don't think it was early April - who posts April fools joks on the 3rd of April anyway? </strong><hr></blockquote>
Unless I missed it, 4/3/02 in this thread was his last. There were 3 in March (19, 20, 21) in this thread. And his lack of posts afterwards, most likely, wasn't connected to April Fools day.
Back to subject though, these late beta prototype machines that Dorsal has been "play'n" with, sure seem to fit with a bunch of other rumors suddenly showing up from 'other' sources. Makes one wonder whether things are loop'n back (as others have posted), or . . . on the more optimistic side, Are they validating things? One thing is for certain, Apple knows how to keep a lid on things, and their partners have seen what happens when they spill the beans.
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Well, the 'ghost' of his 'thread past' does...keep returning.
So I guess he's here in spirit.
Bodhi. I've just looked at the 'info' to Steve jobs server pic you loaded.
Interesting. I think I see what you're getting at... The devil is in the detail...hmmmmm. Or rather, looking at the details in light of recent events.
Maybe New York won't be such a damp squib after all?
(Well, with every product line updated by the ibook or Powermac...then...well, it had better be something really special...)
Lemon Bon Bon
It should be due by August?
Macworld San Fran next year at the lastest?
Lemon Bon Bon.
remember who told ya!
all you doubters will be humbled!!!!
Moore's law, Apple, not Murphy's
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<strong>The G5 will appear as soon as Motorola will be able to fab efficiently in SOI 0,13 .
There is only one company now able to produce efficiently on SOI 0,13 it's IBM. AMD is not supposed to produce SOI 0,13 until the end of the year, and for the moment does not produc 0,13 micron process. Intel fab on 0,13 process but not on SOI (or equivalent).
Mot will continue to improve the G4 line (perhaps using some G5 tweaks) until he can reach o,13 SOI. When Mot will reach this limit, the G5 will appear. The architecture is ready but not the fab process. Contrary to the past where Mot was stuck at 500 mhz, Mot will not wait the new fab process without do any improvement on his chip line. We have the 7455 who add just a new gestion of the L3 cache, we will have soon the 7460 that will have DDR memory controller, but the same amount of L2 cache if still make on a 0,18 micron process. I think that the 512 L2 cache will wait until 0,13 , like the Intel chips.
So i make this statement : 7460 with ddr memory controller for MWNY. G5 in 2003 perhaps in january if Mot is not too late in the developpement of 0,13 SOI.
I am not a chip engineer, but iam ready to bet it's more simple to make an new chip architecture than to develop a new fab process.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You are thinking of the 7470 G4. The 7470 is the one that will be .13micron, support DDR-Ram, 512k L2, and 4MB L3.
The 7460 will be .13micron and doesn't support L3.
'if you just stop buying from Apple, then Apple has to guess as to why; but if you write them, then they know what to aim for'?
We are all beckoning for the 'great G5' and we all yearn for greater overall speed. Well, how much do we want (realistically)?
How would you like to give Apple a clear idea of what it is we want as well as a means to hold them accountable to our market demand?
The answer to this is for us to publish a comprehensive list of desired performance metrics. These metrics would not pertain to some component but to results, such as how fast to render a DVD, how long to perform some operation in Photoshop (already available probably), audio/video latency, number of audio channels supported (?...for those 5.1 folks out there), etc.
I'd really like for us to put out heads together on this (start a new thread; I'm not sure if a newbie can on this forum) and publish something to challenge Apple with, something specific and results oriented.
But this is challenging for us to put together. Otherwise, we could just keep bantering about ambiguous performance desires that can seldom be boiled down into anything more than 'something that kick's the x86's worlds ass'. We could make a real impact by publishing detailed performance metrics objectives!!!
Eirik <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
According to recent rumors, it appears that a 1.5 GHz G5 may make an appearance at MWNY. If it does, then we can expect a RapdiIO bus and that the bandwidth problem on Powermacs will be solved.
The question is, why hasn't Dorsal posted recently?
When Dorsal has new prototypes that are a generation ahead of the G5 he describes here, then we will know the G5 is about to be released. For example, if Dorsal suddenly got a test mule with PC2700 RAM in place of PC2100 RAM, then that would be a good sign that the first G5 Powermacs are ready.
<strong>For example, if Dorsal suddenly got a test mule with PC2700 RAM in place of PC2100 RAM, then that would be a good sign that the first G5 Powermacs are ready.</strong><hr></blockquote>
This is his/her last post:
"A whole new paradigm in PowerMac design will be introduced soon and it will be a modern example in smart computer design, taking advantage of new trechnologies and foward thinking design. These are late beta machines and the finishing touches are being applied to cut out the rough edges for consumer consumption.
An undisclosed amount of time ago we received 2 new PowerMacs for testing. These were in generic G4 cases but were painted another color (black). I doubt this is indicative of future case but an attempt to obfuscate what the real case will look like.
These 2 systems are similar to the last one we received. Both are G5 based running at speeds of 1.33GHz and 1.66GHz. As you can tell from these speeds, the RapidIO bus has been upgraded from 500MHz to 667MHz, most likely, in my opinion, to be more syncronous with a DDR-333 RAM option, although this is not as necessary as those to busses are not shared as they were with MPX. I beleive this processor also is limited to processing 32bit integers but memory addressing has been increased to the 40-48bit area. In the documentation it shows the motherboards having support for 64GB but that processor can access more in future motherboard implementations. Possibly as high as 4TB (42bit addressing). The heatsinks are minimal with no active cooling so higher speed processors are likely down the pipeline. These units have full support for PC2700 DDR-SDRAM and contain 3 slots on the card. AGP remains 4X (GeForce4 MX) and the standard 4 PCI slots are all operational. Testing will begin sometime today. I hope to have more details soon."
PC- 2700 you see
<img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
<strong>-----------Nudge--------------
According to recent rumors, it appears that a 1.5 GHz G5 may make an appearance at MWNY. If it does, then we can expect a RapdiIO bus and that the bandwidth problem on Powermacs will be solved.
The question is, why hasn't Dorsal posted recently?
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hint ... Look at the date of Doral's last post, then go back to "the road to MWNY" thread and ready some of the posts on May 27th.
<strong>When did Dorsal make that post? It is strange thet he hasn't told us what he has found about the machine he describes. Has he been rumbled, I would have thought we would have heard something, as we have when other insiders have been caught.
<img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
I think that was his last post, the first part of April (3rd?? maybe).
Don't make me call Captain Obvious.
<strong>Did a search for Dorsal stuff earlier, was his last post not at the end of April? 23rd or something? Can't remember, might be wrong, but I don't think it was early April - who posts April fools joks on the 3rd of April anyway?
Unless I missed it, 4/3/02 in this thread was his last. There were 3 in March (19, 20, 21) in this thread. And his lack of posts afterwards, most likely, wasn't connected to April Fools day.
Back to subject though, these late beta prototype machines that Dorsal has been "play'n" with, sure seem to fit with a bunch of other rumors suddenly showing up from 'other' sources. Makes one wonder whether things are loop'n back (as others have posted), or . . . on the more optimistic side, Are they validating things? One thing is for certain, Apple knows how to keep a lid on things, and their partners have seen what happens when they spill the beans.