Then you have to consider other things like range. For someone that travels 2500 miles between LA and NYC they can still use the same plan, but you pop across the Irish Sea or English Channel you have to switch out PINs and use an entirely different plan, and it's cheaper and faster to travel to other parts of Europe than travel across the US.
How is that any different than going from the US to Canada? They are different countries
This seems a little inacurate. My wife and I both upgrade our phone each year and give the old ones to our kids. I would say 70% of kids in the local primary (elimentary) school have a smart phone.
My eldest just went on to secondary school adn everyone in her class has a smartphone. Assuming that only adults have smartphones is a bit of a stretch.
When I was in elementary school, the concept of a cell phone was lost on everyone. What we had back then were some radio systems that could make phone calls, and emergency services that used those.
Even in high school, all the phones were still analog, and the "flip phone" wasn't going to fit in your purse. The smallest phone available at the time was the Motorola Startac which cost a fortune and got so hot it would burn your fingers. Text messaging did not yet exist.
I can not imagine the amount of distractions smartphones must give kids at school. The worst we had back then was the occasional person listening to a portable cd player, and the occasional gameboy. None of these things had more than 2 hours of battery power.
Current smartphones last all day, connect you to the web and basically make it so that the actual "being at school" is the redundant part and only required to satisfy child-endangerment/labor laws. I think we're less than 10 years away from lawmakers wanting to save money on education by getting rid of K-12 schools entirely and instead give guidelines on how to get into their dream career. This won't solve the social aspect, but the smartphones are quickly eroding that to begin with.
For such a populous country the US is kicking ass in smartphone adoption.
Indeed. Conversely, for such a relatively small country Australia is really saturating. However, app-wise local Australian app development isn't as developed an industry as the US and UK. I smell opportunity.
Interestingly, people draw many parallels between Canada and Australia. In this graph they seem quite far apart though:
Check this out as well... CANADA, Y U NO LIEK USE MOBIL3 PHONEZ? Note that the numbers for Malaysia and Australia are over "100". This means quite a number of people have two phones. Assuming that 100 people in the "per 100 people" is the whole population, including those too young to have a mobile (though that age threshold is surely dropping like a rock).
I think the "addressable market" in the research this thread refers to is slightly underestimated.
If Australia has ~22million people then there are 22+million mobile subscriptions. Hence the addressable market for iOS and Android is surely more than half of that?
Since moving "back" to Australia a few months ago it really feels a bit strange how this small (by population) country is in so many significant first-world metrics. I'm still not sure how they did it, and are still doing it. Looking at the figures for Malaysia, the metrics are good but the corruption in the country grossly distorts the on-the-ground experience.
Indeed. Conversely, for such a relatively small country Australia is really saturating. However, app-wise local Australian app development isn't as developed an industry as the US and UK. I smell opportunity.
Interestingly, people draw many parallels between Canada and Australia. In this graph they seem quite far apart though.
Firemint is a successful Australian company responsible for Real Racing, Flight Control and a couple of others.
Firemint is a successful Australian company responsible for Real Racing, Flight Control and a couple of others.
Cool... There's heaps more space for growth in this area in Australia though, especially QLD and WA I reckon. I suspect even in Sydney and Melbourne there's more demand than sufficiently-skilled developers. What do you think?
Edit: Edited because upon reflection we're probably about the same age/generation.
*Chuckle* Yeah, when I was in elementary school, the "mobile" phone was the size of a WW2 Radio Communications Pack. The Internet was a special room in the school only for the kids in the "Genius" classes (they had one out of 10 classes that was the "Genius" class for each year). Towards the end of high school, "Internet Porn" was a 200pixel x 200pixel GIF. Oh boy, how that could get the blood running.
Yes, kids nowadays with text messaging, sext messaging, more porn in a SINGLE WEBPAGE than 10 magazines from January 1965.
It is disturbing, but I'm only 33 and these were the same things everyone else said about our generation... "Oh, we didn't have colour TV or game-and-watch or 386PC's like you when we were kids".
The "bad kids" in my early high school years brought tape Walkmans to class. CDs hadn't really caught on just yet. Ocassionally "locker raids" would be done and they'd be "punished" for bringing them.
Back then, "piracy" was waiting hours for the radio to play your favourite song so that you could record it to tape on your Walkman or Boom Box/"Mini Stereo"/"Mini Hi-Fi". And you had to time it just right, not just on the start, but stopping it before the talking began. If you missed the stop point, you had to rewind, play, pause, etc. And if you accidentally recorded over your favourite tape, now those would be the subject of today's "Rage Comic Memes" back then.
Ah, good times, good times...
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Originally Posted by Misa
When I was in elementary school, the concept of a cell phone was lost on everyone. What we had back then were some radio systems that could make phone calls, and emergency services that used those.
Even in high school, all the phones were still analog, and the "flip phone" wasn't going to fit in your purse. The smallest phone available at the time was the Motorola Startac which cost a fortune and got so hot it would burn your fingers. Text messaging did not yet exist.
I can not imagine the amount of distractions smartphones must give kids at school. The worst we had back then was the occasional person listening to a portable cd player, and the occasional gameboy. None of these things had more than 2 hours of battery power.
Current smartphones last all day, connect you to the web and basically make it so that the actual "being at school" is the redundant part and only required to satisfy child-endangerment/labor laws. I think we're less than 10 years away from lawmakers wanting to save money on education by getting rid of K-12 schools entirely and instead give guidelines on how to get into their dream career. This won't solve the social aspect, but the smartphones are quickly eroding that to begin with.
He was saying you can travel a very wide distance but still be on one plan in the US. Whereas you can travel short distances in Europe and have to be on different plans. That's why in principle the Euro is very convenient. In practice, the EU... I am surprised though the EU doesn't have more unified mobile phone plans, even back before the Eurozone Crisis post-2008.
Even 10 years ago, in half a day you can go from the UK, through France, to Belgium and through to the Netherlands and Germany. And that's not even by plane! Just trains. Man, the European carriers must make a killing on roaming charges.
USA to Canada requires different plans but the USA and Canada are each massive countries by land mass.
So yes, the USA has the advantage that it is one country whereas Europe has many small countries. So it would not be too surprising that Europe has that situation.
Edit: At the end of the day, the "point" was, the upsides, possibly, of paying higher plan fees is that you can travel a large distance on a single plan without incurring roaming fees. Unlike Europe, where in each country you get cheaper plans but the moment you go a several hundred miles from your city it can be quite inconvenient if you're staying anywhere outside your home city for more than a few days. Even more so for mobile broadband, I'm sure.
A heads-up for anyone considering an iPhone4 for a family member. Best Buy is offering the iPhone 4, 32GB, as a Buy One/Get One Free deal (BOGO). Good timing for last minute shopping. Service plan is available for either ATT or Verizon.
Fuck, I love Gatorguy.
Presents both sides of the coin, considers arguments, open minded.
When I was in elementary school, the concept of a cell phone was lost on everyone. What we had back then were some radio systems that could make phone calls, and emergency services that used those.
Even in high school, all the phones were still analog, and the "flip phone" wasn't going to fit in your purse. The smallest phone available at the time was the Motorola Startac which cost a fortune and got so hot it would burn your fingers. Text messaging did not yet exist.
I can not imagine the amount of distractions smartphones must give kids at school. The worst we had back then was the occasional person listening to a portable cd player, and the occasional gameboy. None of these things had more than 2 hours of battery power.
Current smartphones last all day, connect you to the web and basically make it so that the actual "being at school" is the redundant part and only required to satisfy child-endangerment/labor laws. I think we're less than 10 years away from lawmakers wanting to save money on education by getting rid of K-12 schools entirely and instead give guidelines on how to get into their dream career. This won't solve the social aspect, but the smartphones are quickly eroding that to begin with.
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Originally Posted by nvidia2008
Edit: Edited because upon reflection we're probably about the same age/generation.
*Chuckle* Yeah, when I was in elementary school, the "mobile" phone was the size of a WW2 Radio Communications Pack. The Internet was a special room in the school only for the kids in the "Genius" classes (they had one out of 10 classes that was the "Genius" class for each year). Towards the end of high school, "Internet Porn" was a 200pixel x 200pixel GIF. Oh boy, how that could get the blood running.
Yes, kids nowadays with text messaging, sext messaging, more porn in a SINGLE WEBPAGE than 10 magazines from January 1965.
It is disturbing, but I'm only 33 and these were the same things everyone else said about our generation... "Oh, we didn't have colour TV or game-and-watch or 386PC's like you when we were kids".
The "bad kids" in my early high school years brought tape Walkmans to class. CDs hadn't really caught on just yet. Ocassionally "locker raids" would be done and they'd be "punished" for bringing them.
Back then, "piracy" was waiting hours for the radio to play your favourite song so that you could record it to tape on your Walkman or Boom Box/"Mini Stereo"/"Mini Hi-Fi". And you had to time it just right, not just on the start, but stopping it before the talking began. If you missed the stop point, you had to rewind, play, pause, etc. And if you accidentally recorded over your favourite tape, now those would be the subject of today's "Rage Comic Memes" back then.
Ah, good times, good times...
Both your posts remind me of a friend back in the 1980s. Harley was a mfgrs rep for electronic components (RAM, CPUs, etc.) in Silicon Valley. As such he made a lot of money and indulged himself with all the latest gadgets...
He drove a Mercedes and had it fitted with the latest/greatest radio-telephone. AIR, Harley spent over 10 grand for the hardware and installation, alone -- there was a monthly service charge and calls (incoming and outgoing) cost several $ per minute.
Harley had bragging rights!
But, frequently, he'd arrive somewhere, before a call was finished --- so he'd sit there in the car, with the motor running, gabbing at several $ per minute...
After one very expensive phone bill, Harley devised a technique to terminate a long call without sacrificing any bragging rights -- actually enhancing them.
Harley would be sitting in the car and tell the caller: "I gotta' go -- my other phone is ringing".
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Then you have to consider other things like range. For someone that travels 2500 miles between LA and NYC they can still use the same plan, but you pop across the Irish Sea or English Channel you have to switch out PINs and use an entirely different plan, and it's cheaper and faster to travel to other parts of Europe than travel across the US.
How is that any different than going from the US to Canada? They are different countries
According to the masses here market share means nothing, why continue to report on it AppleInsider?
In Apple's case, the market share is actually correlated with profits, unlike in Android-land (in which you likely live).
How is that any different than going from the US to Canada? They are different countries
You missed the point spectacularly.
That's an example of Best Buy not selling ? but having paid for ? all their old, outdated stock of 32GB iPhone 4s which Apple no longer sells.
Why wouldn't Apple accept returns? I thought that channel stuffing was something that Apple did not do.
This seems a little inacurate. My wife and I both upgrade our phone each year and give the old ones to our kids. I would say 70% of kids in the local primary (elimentary) school have a smart phone.
My eldest just went on to secondary school adn everyone in her class has a smartphone. Assuming that only adults have smartphones is a bit of a stretch.
When I was in elementary school, the concept of a cell phone was lost on everyone. What we had back then were some radio systems that could make phone calls, and emergency services that used those.
Even in high school, all the phones were still analog, and the "flip phone" wasn't going to fit in your purse. The smallest phone available at the time was the Motorola Startac which cost a fortune and got so hot it would burn your fingers. Text messaging did not yet exist.
I can not imagine the amount of distractions smartphones must give kids at school. The worst we had back then was the occasional person listening to a portable cd player, and the occasional gameboy. None of these things had more than 2 hours of battery power.
Current smartphones last all day, connect you to the web and basically make it so that the actual "being at school" is the redundant part and only required to satisfy child-endangerment/labor laws. I think we're less than 10 years away from lawmakers wanting to save money on education by getting rid of K-12 schools entirely and instead give guidelines on how to get into their dream career. This won't solve the social aspect, but the smartphones are quickly eroding that to begin with.
For such a populous country the US is kicking ass in smartphone adoption.
Indeed. Conversely, for such a relatively small country Australia is really saturating. However, app-wise local Australian app development isn't as developed an industry as the US and UK. I smell opportunity.
Interestingly, people draw many parallels between Canada and Australia. In this graph they seem quite far apart though:
I think the "addressable market" in the research this thread refers to is slightly underestimated.
If Australia has ~22million people then there are 22+million mobile subscriptions. Hence the addressable market for iOS and Android is surely more than half of that?
Since moving "back" to Australia a few months ago it really feels a bit strange how this small (by population) country is in so many significant first-world metrics. I'm still not sure how they did it, and are still doing it. Looking at the figures for Malaysia, the metrics are good but the corruption in the country grossly distorts the on-the-ground experience.
Indeed. Conversely, for such a relatively small country Australia is really saturating. However, app-wise local Australian app development isn't as developed an industry as the US and UK. I smell opportunity.
Interestingly, people draw many parallels between Canada and Australia. In this graph they seem quite far apart though.
Firemint is a successful Australian company responsible for Real Racing, Flight Control and a couple of others.
Firemint is a successful Australian company responsible for Real Racing, Flight Control and a couple of others.
Cool... There's heaps more space for growth in this area in Australia though, especially QLD and WA I reckon. I suspect even in Sydney and Melbourne there's more demand than sufficiently-skilled developers. What do you think?
*Chuckle* Yeah, when I was in elementary school, the "mobile" phone was the size of a WW2 Radio Communications Pack. The Internet was a special room in the school only for the kids in the "Genius" classes (they had one out of 10 classes that was the "Genius" class for each year). Towards the end of high school, "Internet Porn" was a 200pixel x 200pixel GIF. Oh boy, how that could get the blood running.
Yes, kids nowadays with text messaging, sext messaging, more porn in a SINGLE WEBPAGE than 10 magazines from January 1965.
It is disturbing, but I'm only 33 and these were the same things everyone else said about our generation... "Oh, we didn't have colour TV or game-and-watch or 386PC's like you when we were kids".
The "bad kids" in my early high school years brought tape Walkmans to class. CDs hadn't really caught on just yet. Ocassionally "locker raids" would be done and they'd be "punished" for bringing them.
Back then, "piracy" was waiting hours for the radio to play your favourite song so that you could record it to tape on your Walkman or Boom Box/"Mini Stereo"/"Mini Hi-Fi". And you had to time it just right, not just on the start, but stopping it before the talking began. If you missed the stop point, you had to rewind, play, pause, etc. And if you accidentally recorded over your favourite tape, now those would be the subject of today's "Rage Comic Memes" back then.
Ah, good times, good times...
When I was in elementary school, the concept of a cell phone was lost on everyone. What we had back then were some radio systems that could make phone calls, and emergency services that used those.
Even in high school, all the phones were still analog, and the "flip phone" wasn't going to fit in your purse. The smallest phone available at the time was the Motorola Startac which cost a fortune and got so hot it would burn your fingers. Text messaging did not yet exist.
I can not imagine the amount of distractions smartphones must give kids at school. The worst we had back then was the occasional person listening to a portable cd player, and the occasional gameboy. None of these things had more than 2 hours of battery power.
Current smartphones last all day, connect you to the web and basically make it so that the actual "being at school" is the redundant part and only required to satisfy child-endangerment/labor laws. I think we're less than 10 years away from lawmakers wanting to save money on education by getting rid of K-12 schools entirely and instead give guidelines on how to get into their dream career. This won't solve the social aspect, but the smartphones are quickly eroding that to begin with.
You missed the point spectacularly.
Please explain it then
Please explain it then
He was saying you can travel a very wide distance but still be on one plan in the US. Whereas you can travel short distances in Europe and have to be on different plans. That's why in principle the Euro is very convenient. In practice, the EU... I am surprised though the EU doesn't have more unified mobile phone plans, even back before the Eurozone Crisis post-2008.
Even 10 years ago, in half a day you can go from the UK, through France, to Belgium and through to the Netherlands and Germany. And that's not even by plane! Just trains. Man, the European carriers must make a killing on roaming charges.
USA to Canada requires different plans but the USA and Canada are each massive countries by land mass.
So yes, the USA has the advantage that it is one country whereas Europe has many small countries. So it would not be too surprising that Europe has that situation.
Edit: At the end of the day, the "point" was, the upsides, possibly, of paying higher plan fees is that you can travel a large distance on a single plan without incurring roaming fees. Unlike Europe, where in each country you get cheaper plans but the moment you go a several hundred miles from your city it can be quite inconvenient if you're staying anywhere outside your home city for more than a few days. Even more so for mobile broadband, I'm sure.
According to the masses here market share means nothing, why continue to report on it AppleInsider?
Mass market means nothing when you have profit and prestige.
But to have mass-market as well?
Fuck yeah!
A heads-up for anyone considering an iPhone4 for a family member. Best Buy is offering the iPhone 4, 32GB, as a Buy One/Get One Free deal (BOGO). Good timing for last minute shopping. Service plan is available for either ATT or Verizon.
Fuck, I love Gatorguy.
Presents both sides of the coin, considers arguments, open minded.
What a guy!
When I was in elementary school, the concept of a cell phone was lost on everyone. What we had back then were some radio systems that could make phone calls, and emergency services that used those.
Even in high school, all the phones were still analog, and the "flip phone" wasn't going to fit in your purse. The smallest phone available at the time was the Motorola Startac which cost a fortune and got so hot it would burn your fingers. Text messaging did not yet exist.
I can not imagine the amount of distractions smartphones must give kids at school. The worst we had back then was the occasional person listening to a portable cd player, and the occasional gameboy. None of these things had more than 2 hours of battery power.
Current smartphones last all day, connect you to the web and basically make it so that the actual "being at school" is the redundant part and only required to satisfy child-endangerment/labor laws. I think we're less than 10 years away from lawmakers wanting to save money on education by getting rid of K-12 schools entirely and instead give guidelines on how to get into their dream career. This won't solve the social aspect, but the smartphones are quickly eroding that to begin with.
Edit: Edited because upon reflection we're probably about the same age/generation.
*Chuckle* Yeah, when I was in elementary school, the "mobile" phone was the size of a WW2 Radio Communications Pack. The Internet was a special room in the school only for the kids in the "Genius" classes (they had one out of 10 classes that was the "Genius" class for each year). Towards the end of high school, "Internet Porn" was a 200pixel x 200pixel GIF. Oh boy, how that could get the blood running.
Yes, kids nowadays with text messaging, sext messaging, more porn in a SINGLE WEBPAGE than 10 magazines from January 1965.
It is disturbing, but I'm only 33 and these were the same things everyone else said about our generation... "Oh, we didn't have colour TV or game-and-watch or 386PC's like you when we were kids".
The "bad kids" in my early high school years brought tape Walkmans to class. CDs hadn't really caught on just yet. Ocassionally "locker raids" would be done and they'd be "punished" for bringing them.
Back then, "piracy" was waiting hours for the radio to play your favourite song so that you could record it to tape on your Walkman or Boom Box/"Mini Stereo"/"Mini Hi-Fi". And you had to time it just right, not just on the start, but stopping it before the talking began. If you missed the stop point, you had to rewind, play, pause, etc. And if you accidentally recorded over your favourite tape, now those would be the subject of today's "Rage Comic Memes" back then.
Ah, good times, good times...
Both your posts remind me of a friend back in the 1980s. Harley was a mfgrs rep for electronic components (RAM, CPUs, etc.) in Silicon Valley. As such he made a lot of money and indulged himself with all the latest gadgets...
He drove a Mercedes and had it fitted with the latest/greatest radio-telephone. AIR, Harley spent over 10 grand for the hardware and installation, alone -- there was a monthly service charge and calls (incoming and outgoing) cost several $ per minute.
Harley had bragging rights!
But, frequently, he'd arrive somewhere, before a call was finished --- so he'd sit there in the car, with the motor running, gabbing at several $ per minute...
After one very expensive phone bill, Harley devised a technique to terminate a long call without sacrificing any bragging rights -- actually enhancing them.
Harley would be sitting in the car and tell the caller: "I gotta' go -- my other phone is ringing".
Fuck, I love Gatorguy.
Presents both sides of the coin, considers arguments, open minded.
What a guy!
Heh heh. Perhaps you missed why he wanted to portray iPhone as also having BOGO deals. I saw what he did there.
Heh heh. Perhaps you missed why he wanted to portray iPhone as also having BOGO deals. I saw what he did there.
That's why I pointed out its an outdated sku.
Fuck, I love Gatorguy.
Presents both sides of the coin, considers arguments, open minded.
What a guy!
Yep, that's him alright....
That's why I pointed out its an outdated sku.
Good point.