Apple wants to offer television subscribers customized channel lineups

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  • Reply 101 of 143
    pt123pt123 Posts: 696member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Wilmnc View Post


    If Apple depends on the cable company to deliver shows, the cable co's are gonna go nuts and increase rates on data plans.



    The cable companies will not go nuts. They pay content providers based on subscribers. If cable subscribers cancelled, their content cost would go down. The high margin internet delivery revenue would still be there.
  • Reply 102 of 143
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    Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post


    That's still 250 hours of 720p video. If your household really watches that much, then you're probably best off with cable. Apple's solutions so far serve the light watchers better than heavy users.




    If you use Netflix, it's up to 1 GB per hour, or up to 2.3 GB per hour for HD. With children in the house also streaming HD vids from YouTube and Vimeo, 250 GB isn't that much.



    Also, limits can be hit easily if you decide to puchase some TV shows. Through iTunes, I downloaded a season of an old TV show (no HD) and it alone was 30GB.
  • Reply 103 of 143
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    Originally Posted by herbapou View Post


    Its works with low volumes only... its impossible to implement with a large client base that would stream multiple HD feeds all the time. Distribution of feeds in volume requires an distributed architectures and only internet providers can do this...



    This is the best explananation I could find on the wiki:



    "Depending on the network architecture of the service provider, there are two main types of video server architectures that can be considered for IPTV deployment, centralized, and distributed.



    The centralized architecture model is a relatively simple and easy to manage solution. For example, as all contents are stored in centralized servers, it does not require a comprehensive content distribution system. Centralized architecture is generally good for a network that provides relatively small VOD service deployment, has adequate core and edge bandwidth and has an efficient content delivery network (CDN).



    Distributed architecture is just as scalable as the centralized model, however it has bandwidth usage advantages and inherent system management features that are essential for managing a larger server network. Operators who plan to deploy a relatively large system should therefore consider implementing a Distributed Architecture model right from the start. Distributed architecture requires intelligent and sophisticated content distribution technologies to augment effective delivery of multimedia contents over service provider's network.[3"



    Somebody tell me how South Korea manages to have online gaming as the MAIN leisure time activity for the majority of households? Wish Apple would buy up Level3's glass pipes. It's a cryin shame this country is so throttled backwards by greed and ineptitude. If it went for Apple we would have little electronics innovation, that us USABLE.
  • Reply 104 of 143
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    Originally Posted by iVlad View Post


    This might be Apple's hardest industry to crack. But back in 2001 people said same about digital music distribution. Slowly Apple got them all working out. I just really can't see a COAX cable running straight to the TV and not a cable box. That was like in the 90's. I am still shocked to see that option in modern TVs. A COAX in in the back. Weird.



    Coax in the back indeed. We need glass fiber internet the last mile to our door. We need bullet trains to our major cities. We need electric automobile infrastructure. We need carbon fiber cars! Arrrgh was I born in the wrong decade or are we just slow? Shoulda had a lot of these things started in the 80's.

    This is my lament.

    How on earth did we send a man to the moon in the 60's ??!!??
  • Reply 105 of 143
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    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post


    Web code isn't the limitation, it's the way web pages are setup. iTunes Extras are much like DVD/BR menus. They are made to be accessed from a remote.



    I just can't see myself typing in URLS or doing a Google search using the on-screen keyboard found in the AppleTV YouTube app. Siri could mitigate much of the effort but i don't think it will be enough and only solves half the problem. You still have the way pages are rendered for the web. Will Wikipedia make an AppleTV version of their site the way they made an iPhone version? Can they even do that seeing as how there are hundreds of links per average page?



    Have you ever tried to use the net on a big TV? We have a mini hooked up, hoping that would be nice to read the net on a 55" monitor. Alas, no can do. Your eyes will go CRAZY. You can make the type larger simplify the page, it still doesn't matter. NTSC 's 29.95 fps is hard on your eyes when it comes to any amount of text. You will get a headache. Also, a big tv will have you turning your head like you are watching a ping pong match. I tried and tried, lousy idea, beyond just searching for a video item to watch. Now THAT is optimized for NTSC standards. I wonder if PAL would be any better but doesn't that also have rectangular pixels? There's definitely a big difference between a TV monitor and a computer monitor. I like my iPad first generation. Using it many hours a day for 2 years, still works great.
  • Reply 106 of 143
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post


    Do we not recall how difficult it was for Apple to get any movie and television studios on board after the AppleTV was demoed? Do we not remember NBC pulling out of iTunes Store for a year or so? Are we not seeing how they are still not wanting to give Apple any play by only allowing content to be bought (and sometimes rented) at high prices? So what exactly does Apple have to offer that will not negatively affect the networks solid, guaranteed deals with their local affiliates and distributors?



    ...



    Apple has Siri.



    And Siri has * the ability to ask the CableCo to pull up any ad that you watched previously.



    And Siri has * the ability to find resellers for the products in the ad.



    And Siri has * the ability to buy things that you request.





    ...And that should be of interest of everyone who participates in the content-delivery supply chain.





    * Soon will have





    Long story short:



    The TV Tells you about things to buy...



    Siri (along with the ATV) buys things at your behest.



  • Reply 107 of 143
    pt123pt123 Posts: 696member
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    Originally Posted by airnerd View Post


    Please please please let this be true. I have wanted this since the first time I signed up for cable/satellite. If I could pay a price, even a freaking $1 per channel I would. I cut the chord just over a year ago and I love it, but I miss some of my old shows that Netflix hasn't picked up on yet. If I could have antenna plus a few channels like History, FX, Comedy Central, HGTV (for the wife), DIY, and some kid channels...I'd be in heaven.



    ESPN will be paying almost $2 billion a year for Monday night football (NFL) with their new contract. I would doubt they would be willing to offer it for $1. They are getting almost $5 per subscriber. If a la carte programming was available, they would have to charge an amount that recoup the cost of programming and make a profit.
  • Reply 108 of 143
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    Originally Posted by pt123 View Post


    ESPN will be paying almost $2 billion a year for Monday night football (NFL) with their new contract. I would doubt they would be willing to offer it for $1. They are getting almost $5 per subscriber. If a la carte programming was available, they would have to charge an amount that recoup the cost of programming and make a profit.



    And how does ESPN monetize its investment?
  • Reply 109 of 143
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    Originally Posted by palomine View Post


    Have you ever tried to use the net on a big TV? We have a mini hooked up, hoping that would be nice to read the net on a 55" monitor. Alas, no can do. Your eyes will go CRAZY. You can make the type larger simplify the page, it still doesn't matter. NTSC 's 29.95 fps is hard on your eyes when it comes to any amount of text. You will get a headache. Also, a big tv will have you turning your head like you are watching a ping pong match. I tried and tried, lousy idea, beyond just searching for a video item to watch. Now THAT is optimized for NTSC standards. I wonder if PAL would be any better but doesn't that also have rectangular pixels? There's definitely a big difference between a TV monitor and a computer monitor. I like my iPad first generation. Using it many hours a day for 2 years, still works great.



    It's even worse than that... You commandeer the big screen so others can sit back and watch you type [badly] while searching for things that are of no interest to them... that the cannot read when you find them...



    The way Apple will do it is this:



    You will interact with the TV/ATV with you iPad -- the TV display will not show the interaction (unless you direct it to).



    So while others are watching the programming, you are surfing, watching retrieved ads, shopping, ordering, buying, with Siri's help as needed.



    ...And others with iPads can do the same or watch another program/channel/movie to their iPad, as desired.
  • Reply 110 of 143
    sockrolidsockrolid Posts: 2,789member
    ?You never change things by fighting the existing reality.

    To change something, build a new model that makes the

    existing model obsolete.?



    - Buckminster Fuller
  • Reply 111 of 143
    pt123pt123 Posts: 696member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post


    And how does ESPN monetize its investment?



    They monetize it by subscriptions (per subscriber whether it is watched or not) and commercials.
  • Reply 112 of 143
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by pt123 View Post


    They monetize it by subscriptions (per subscriber whether it is watched or not) and commercials.



    Commercials... Exactly!



    Now, what if Apple could do a better job of delivering monetizing those commercials for both ESPN and the CableCos?
  • Reply 113 of 143
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by [Greg] View Post


    Eesh... Netflix told me I'd like Burn Notice as well... I watched a handful of episodes, and couldn't watch anymore. I thought it was a terrible show. Way too formulaic for me -- same story every episode with a few variations.



    +1, has to be one of the worst shows around, eugh!
  • Reply 114 of 143
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    It sounds like something we'd all want but truth be told most of my favorite shows are shows I came across whilst channel surfing. The networks depend on shows being discovered. They'll fight tooth and nail to keep us with the programming we have now. And as for the Spanish channels, where else are we gonna see banging weather women?
  • Reply 115 of 143
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post


    It's even worse than that... You commandeer the big screen so others can sit back and watch you type [badly] while searching for things that are of no interest to them... that the cannot read when you find them...



    The way Apple will do it is this:



    You will interact with the TV/ATV with you iPad -- the TV display will not show the interaction (unless you direct it to).



    So while others are watching the programming, you are surfing, watching retrieved ads, shopping, ordering, buying, with Siri's help as needed.



    ...And others with iPads can do the same or watch another program/channel/movie to their iPad, as desired.



    Yea because ipads are so inexpensive that I can buy one for every family member, what if I don't know a idevice?
  • Reply 116 of 143
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post


    Apple has Siri.



    And Siri has * the ability to ask the CableCo to pull up any ad that you watched previously.



    And Siri has * the ability to find resellers for the products in the ad.



    And Siri has * the ability to buy things that you request.





    ...And that should be of interest of everyone who participates in the content-delivery supply chain.





    * Soon will have





    Long story short:



    The TV Tells you about things to buy...



    Siri (along with the ATV) buys things at your behest.







    All that scares me
  • Reply 117 of 143
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by palomine View Post


    Somebody tell me how South Korea manages to have online gaming as the MAIN leisure time activity for the majority of households? Wish Apple would buy up Level3's glass pipes. It's a cryin shame this country is so throttled backwards by greed and ineptitude. If it went for Apple we would have little electronics innovation, that us USABLE.



    Because they've had 100 mbps for over 10 yrs now.
  • Reply 118 of 143
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post


    Web code isn't the limitation, it's the way web pages are setup. iTunes Extras are much like DVD/BR menus. They are made to be accessed from a remote.



    I just can't see myself typing in URLS or doing a Google search using the on-screen keyboard found in the AppleTV YouTube app. Siri could mitigate much of the effort but i don't think it will be enough and only solves half the problem.



    It doesn't matter if you are looking for web pages, apps, TV shows or movies on your TV, it is all basically the same search problem and we do have that quote from Steve saying that he has solved this.



    Quote:

    You still have the way pages are rendered for the web. Will Wikipedia make an AppleTV version of their site the way they made an iPhone version? Can they even do that seeing as how there are hundreds of links per average page?



    Obviously Wikipedia is a site that won't work well on a TV as it is very text heavy (you are better off using your iPad); but for sites which are primarily video, it is pretty easy to make a webpage designed to be viewed on a TV and controlled with a basic remote.



    Here are a few examples:

    http://www.youtube.com/leanback/

    http://www.tbs.com/leanback/

    http://www.c-spanvideo.org/gtv/



    You can even try them out on your computer, just ignore the mouse and just use the cursor keys and enter/return key.
  • Reply 119 of 143
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    Originally Posted by Dimwit View Post


    Yeah, because Apple is so well known for bringing new services to older devices...



    Did I say anything about older devices. I said computers, iPads etc. Totally not the same thing.



    Quote:

    If Apple does create an actual television, appleTV will NOT be "capable" of all the best functions. If for no other reason than that Apple will want the screen sales. The $2000 tv will need to do more than the $99 stb.



    THe TV would do more even if the functions were the same in the STB. Because the TV doesn't have to be connected to anything. It is the display. And depending on the type of display that might be enough.



    Also, who says this would have to be $2000. With Apple's game of buying things in huge bulk they might be able to pull it off for half that
  • Reply 120 of 143
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Orlando View Post


    There is nothing good about browsing a web page designed for keyboard and mouse on a TV; however, you can easily craft HTML that works with a TV remote. iTunes Extras is just HTML.



    Which begs the question, why haven't they made it work on the Apple TV and iPad. There seems to be no logical reason in the tech for such a move. And by now one would think they would be in a position to tell the studios to piss off if they don't like that it is going to work on devices.



    SAme for the shite like letting you buy the SD version of a movie on your iPad and RENT the HD. but on the computer you can buy either one. It's not like the HD is 1080p after all.



    So with luck they are dealing with those issues (and the current shows that still aren't at least iTunesHD).
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