if you keep trying to "improve" your image on others mind, you would never be yourselves. you are who you are. if ppl don't like you, no matter how hard you try and how good you are, they just simply don't like you.
your friend does not like shanghai after living there 5 years, while my friend does not like japan because he thinks it the raciest place on this planet. it is ok since it is their personal opinions and hopefully their experiences do not represent majority.
if 5% of our society are assholes, in US there will be 15million a-holes, while in china, there are 60million of them. so statistically one could easily bump into one or bunch of them in a short period of time.
Do you think all people are exactly your age and have lived a life exactly like yours? Of course I was in China 25 years ago. Why else would I mention it?
Although it wasn't as common then as it is today, in the 80's there were many foreign students studying in China and many tourists visiting. As an American foreign student with little money, but an official student ID and Mandarin language skills, I definitely had plenty of opportunities to deal with the hassles of the Chinese bureaucracy and experience the culture. It was a nightmare compared with the China of today.
And BTW I never mentioned anything at all like "pathetic low life chinese." Apparently this is your own pathetic assessment, and one with which I don't agree.
Quote:
Originally Posted by anakin1992
holy shit, what are you? you think you are michael j. fox to time travel? were you in china 25 years ago? how the hell do you know things at that time? are you smoking joint? if you were in china 25 years ago, unless you are one of those pathetic low life chinese as you mentioned, you would not have a chance to deal those hassles as being a local chinese.
25 years ago in 1987, were you in china, you would be treated like a rare specie there. were you there at the time, you would have special treat even though you were a college foreign student. you don't share much with locals as you lived in a sheltered glass. yes, you would venture out to see local chinese way of life occasionally. yes you would deal some hassles here or there. but do you understand that those local chinese would have to deal those hassles every day? it looks like now that all you experience there ended up as trashing them because they had certain way of doing things different from you.
But taking your very lame point, if you want to call daily seeing such things as: young men knocking over old ladies and children alike as they rush busses and climb through the windows for a good seat?or people spitting on each others feet on a crowded train, or people pushing, crowding, and knocking others down and trampling them in the train station, etc. ? "doing things a different way," then yes you are correct. But if you naively think being a foreign student prevented one from experiencing such things first hand, then you're quite wrong.
I suspect when I was there in 1984-1986, you hadn't even been born yet. And frankly at that time one only got treated as "a rare species" "living under sheltered glass" in certain places and only when it was convenient. The ability to speak Mandarin and the need to pay in RMB rather than FEC made people forget one's foreignness pretty quickly.
Quote:
Originally Posted by anakin1992
give me a break.
25 years ago in 1987, were you in china, you would be treated like a rare specie there. were you there at the time, you would have special treat even though you were a college foreign student. you don't share much with locals as you lived in a sheltered glass. yes, you would venture out to see local chinese way of life occasionally. yes you would deal some hassles here or there. but do you understand that those local chinese would have to deal those hassles every day? it looks like now that all you experience there ended up as trashing them because they had certain way of doing things different from you.
Chinese scalpers suck in New York, I personally witnessed that. And apparently, Chinese scalpers suck in China too.
Scalpers are lowlifes and it's no surprise that altercations break out between the lowlifes and the real Apple customers who are patiently waiting in line. These scumbags cut in line and try to bully their way to the front.
I'd like to see more altercations happening, with the outcome being that the scalpers end up getting the short end of the stick. Some of them belong in hospitals and not on an Apple line.
Don't blame the customer, scalpers pay for the product just like anybody else. Apple truly botched this situation, Steve would have been pissed. Some head must roll. Let us see if Cook can handle it.
Too bad there's so much trouble for iPhone sales. Getting an iPhone should be a happy occasion. In the U.S. the crowds and lines seem rather tame and civil. i've only been to a couple of Apple store openings and everyone around me seemed to be having a grand old time. I'd always heard that American were the pushy and forceful ones and the Chinese are into some calm Zen space.
In most countries around the world, people dont seem to understand the concept of a line.
Here in Montreal, a line will automaticly form up at a bus station. In a lot of countries, a pack of disorganise people is what happens.
I'm not sure it's a question of manners. For the scalpers, maybe their livelihood is as stake? So of course they are going to be pushy and insistent. In the US, maybe most people in line have an office job, and are just there for a bit of fun.
In most countries around the world, people dont seem to understand the concept of a line.
Here in Montreal, a line will automaticly form up at a bus station. In a lot of countries, a pack of disorganise people is what happens.
In China, they are aware of the concept of "pai dui" (line up), but it is considered to be a display of uncommon civility (imposed by the government perhaps). It is not a baseline expectation. In my view, in the West, we western hotheads had many fights to the death about standing in line. We have some dim awareness that if we thronged like Chinese mobs, we would start raging on each other pretty quickly. There is also the charitable view that China is crowded, so they have to tolerate personal space issues because of that.
Don't blame the customer, scalpers pay for the product just like anybody else. Apple truly botched this situation, Steve would have been pissed. Some head must roll. Let us see if Cook can handle it.
Scalpers cheat their way to the product. Many of the scalpers operate in organized groups and gangs. They are simple thugs and criminals who deserve to get their asses kicked.
what you mentioned are the points. do you think chinese don't like the bigger and spacious environment like us here? but the question is whether they can afford it! can you tell me how you can maintain your civility in a crowded/packed train where you can not even move? it is not just for a hour of torture, but tens of hours. if you don't want it, you don't even have choice to choose in certain special time, such as chinese new year. of course they have choice not to go home to avoid hassles. but it is their only option to meet their family once per year.
being a foreign student in china in old days was a privileged one. let us stop here by not going to far. yes, you could speak chinese or mingle away chinese, but you might not be able to understand their feelings on many things. unless one can live like them and worry like them and be anxious like them, we might not be able to put out our own judgement in a reasonable sense.
we like to stretch out to extra limit. living in china is one of the extreme and in my humble opinion chinese are great at living their lives in limited resources. though i do disagree with them on lots, i do respect them immensely.
yes, you are much more senior than me. please forgive my bluntness as a feeble youth for what i have said.
I remember here in Palo Alto, when I was buying my iPad 2 on launch day, a clean-cut white kid who's family is probably part of the 1% was walking around trying to sell a couple iPads to people waiting in line for $150 over MSRP, and he was even overtly rude about it, like we somehow owed it to him to buy it.
I haven't the SLIGHTEST doubt in my mind that if I had related this story to you outside of this context you would have called him a "young entrepreneur" or an equally fragile justification. But do you feel like this kid should be put in the hospital? I think he even had blue eyes for christ's sake, what a tragedy THAT would be!
This comment is racist, as are a few of your others, and I am surprised that there isn't any moderation, apparently, on this forum.
(For the record, I am an upper middle class white man.)
You must be one of those racist liberals from the west coast, since your racism is so firmly implanted in your mind, that you even project your own racism onto others and even invent racism where there is none.
It wouldn't make it any better if the scalpers happened to be white, brown, black or green. They would all suck equally as much.
Customers are customers, having them wait on line in the cold without letting them know before hand that the product in not available is criminal. Then calling the police and arresting them is a capital offense.
This is so bad, Steve must be turning in his grave. They should have taken down the ID of those in line and offered them a 20% discount on a future purchase when the product is in stock. Horrible pr job as it stands.
Comments
your friend does not like shanghai after living there 5 years, while my friend does not like japan because he thinks it the raciest place on this planet. it is ok since it is their personal opinions and hopefully their experiences do not represent majority.
if 5% of our society are assholes, in US there will be 15million a-holes, while in china, there are 60million of them. so statistically one could easily bump into one or bunch of them in a short period of time.
peace, man.
Do you think all people are exactly your age and have lived a life exactly like yours? Of course I was in China 25 years ago. Why else would I mention it?
Although it wasn't as common then as it is today, in the 80's there were many foreign students studying in China and many tourists visiting. As an American foreign student with little money, but an official student ID and Mandarin language skills, I definitely had plenty of opportunities to deal with the hassles of the Chinese bureaucracy and experience the culture. It was a nightmare compared with the China of today.
And BTW I never mentioned anything at all like "pathetic low life chinese." Apparently this is your own pathetic assessment, and one with which I don't agree.
holy shit, what are you? you think you are michael j. fox to time travel? were you in china 25 years ago? how the hell do you know things at that time? are you smoking joint? if you were in china 25 years ago, unless you are one of those pathetic low life chinese as you mentioned, you would not have a chance to deal those hassles as being a local chinese.
25 years ago in 1987, were you in china, you would be treated like a rare specie there. were you there at the time, you would have special treat even though you were a college foreign student. you don't share much with locals as you lived in a sheltered glass. yes, you would venture out to see local chinese way of life occasionally. yes you would deal some hassles here or there. but do you understand that those local chinese would have to deal those hassles every day? it looks like now that all you experience there ended up as trashing them because they had certain way of doing things different from you.
But taking your very lame point, if you want to call daily seeing such things as: young men knocking over old ladies and children alike as they rush busses and climb through the windows for a good seat?or people spitting on each others feet on a crowded train, or people pushing, crowding, and knocking others down and trampling them in the train station, etc. ? "doing things a different way," then yes you are correct. But if you naively think being a foreign student prevented one from experiencing such things first hand, then you're quite wrong.
I suspect when I was there in 1984-1986, you hadn't even been born yet. And frankly at that time one only got treated as "a rare species" "living under sheltered glass" in certain places and only when it was convenient. The ability to speak Mandarin and the need to pay in RMB rather than FEC made people forget one's foreignness pretty quickly.
give me a break.
25 years ago in 1987, were you in china, you would be treated like a rare specie there. were you there at the time, you would have special treat even though you were a college foreign student. you don't share much with locals as you lived in a sheltered glass. yes, you would venture out to see local chinese way of life occasionally. yes you would deal some hassles here or there. but do you understand that those local chinese would have to deal those hassles every day? it looks like now that all you experience there ended up as trashing them because they had certain way of doing things different from you.
Let alone at music concerts.
And re:
Originally posted by AppleInsider
…in-line waiters and scalpers…
Since when did we accept the fact that, whether they be Chinese, American, or any other nationality, they are customers?
my friend does not like japan because he thinks it the raciest place on this planet.
Japan's too sexy for him?
Chinese scalpers suck in New York, I personally witnessed that. And apparently, Chinese scalpers suck in China too.
Scalpers are lowlifes and it's no surprise that altercations break out between the lowlifes and the real Apple customers who are patiently waiting in line. These scumbags cut in line and try to bully their way to the front.
I'd like to see more altercations happening, with the outcome being that the scalpers end up getting the short end of the stick. Some of them belong in hospitals and not on an Apple line.
Don't blame the customer, scalpers pay for the product just like anybody else. Apple truly botched this situation, Steve would have been pissed. Some head must roll. Let us see if Cook can handle it.
Too bad there's so much trouble for iPhone sales. Getting an iPhone should be a happy occasion. In the U.S. the crowds and lines seem rather tame and civil. i've only been to a couple of Apple store openings and everyone around me seemed to be having a grand old time. I'd always heard that American were the pushy and forceful ones and the Chinese are into some calm Zen space.
In most countries around the world, people dont seem to understand the concept of a line.
Here in Montreal, a line will automaticly form up at a bus station. In a lot of countries, a pack of disorganise people is what happens.
In most countries around the world, people dont seem to understand the concept of a line.
Here in Montreal, a line will automaticly form up at a bus station. In a lot of countries, a pack of disorganise people is what happens.
Wow really impressive, that's not the case in France.
In most countries around the world, people dont seem to understand the concept of a line.
Here in Montreal, a line will automaticly form up at a bus station. In a lot of countries, a pack of disorganise people is what happens.
In China, they are aware of the concept of "pai dui" (line up), but it is considered to be a display of uncommon civility (imposed by the government perhaps). It is not a baseline expectation. In my view, in the West, we western hotheads had many fights to the death about standing in line. We have some dim awareness that if we thronged like Chinese mobs, we would start raging on each other pretty quickly. There is also the charitable view that China is crowded, so they have to tolerate personal space issues because of that.
Don't blame the customer, scalpers pay for the product just like anybody else. Apple truly botched this situation, Steve would have been pissed. Some head must roll. Let us see if Cook can handle it.
Scalpers cheat their way to the product. Many of the scalpers operate in organized groups and gangs. They are simple thugs and criminals who deserve to get their asses kicked.
being a foreign student in china in old days was a privileged one. let us stop here by not going to far. yes, you could speak chinese or mingle away chinese, but you might not be able to understand their feelings on many things. unless one can live like them and worry like them and be anxious like them, we might not be able to put out our own judgement in a reasonable sense.
we like to stretch out to extra limit. living in china is one of the extreme and in my humble opinion chinese are great at living their lives in limited resources. though i do disagree with them on lots, i do respect them immensely.
yes, you are much more senior than me. please forgive my bluntness as a feeble youth for what i have said.
I remember here in Palo Alto, when I was buying my iPad 2 on launch day, a clean-cut white kid who's family is probably part of the 1% was walking around trying to sell a couple iPads to people waiting in line for $150 over MSRP, and he was even overtly rude about it, like we somehow owed it to him to buy it.
I haven't the SLIGHTEST doubt in my mind that if I had related this story to you outside of this context you would have called him a "young entrepreneur" or an equally fragile justification. But do you feel like this kid should be put in the hospital? I think he even had blue eyes for christ's sake, what a tragedy THAT would be!
This comment is racist, as are a few of your others, and I am surprised that there isn't any moderation, apparently, on this forum.
(For the record, I am an upper middle class white man.)
You must be one of those racist liberals from the west coast, since your racism is so firmly implanted in your mind, that you even project your own racism onto others and even invent racism where there is none.
It wouldn't make it any better if the scalpers happened to be white, brown, black or green. They would all suck equally as much.
The ones that threaten mass suicide, too.
This is so bad, Steve must be turning in his grave. They should have taken down the ID of those in line and offered them a 20% discount on a future purchase when the product is in stock. Horrible pr job as it stands.
Somebody will be fired.
?the product in not available?
So where does it say that?