Mac Pro Refesh in March

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    hmmhmm Posts: 3,405member
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    I don't like the clone comparison at all. All in one have been around a very long time, apple has just been rather successful with theirs.



    They were either trolling, ignorant, or unimaginative. The imac is pretty iconic, but it's obvious that others can design their own thing. The HP looks like it took real design time.



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    Let's put it this way I'm not a fan of the iMac all in one. The display isn't the problem for me, but rather it is the flexibility you give up for a desktop machine.



    They use a very good display panel. I don't recall a terrible number of dithering issues. Apple always used a slightly non standard color temperature setting, but it wasn't too bad. LED backlighting causes some profiling issues with typical off the shelf colorimeters. They mostly compensate with device LUTs which isn't a perfect solution, and



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    I bought my MBP in 2008, the only Apple machine prior to that was a Mac Plus. So you can see a significant spread there. Unfortunately that Mac Plus taught me a few lessons about all in ones, even though I really loved that machine I've resisted such on the desktop since.



    You say that but yet they did just that on their laptops. Compare any of the MBP to laptops prior to 2008. Now maybe serviceability and general access wasn't their goal but the end result is notable.



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    Admittedly cost could be an issue. But what is the price of pushing your customers away?



    I'm not sure what the net effect is here. It's unappealing to me given some of the longer term issues I've seen with the imac lineup. Obviously mac sales have been dwarfed by their idevices. There are other things that strike me as weird, like the lack of an included keyboard and mouse with the mini.



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    I'm impressed with the strides AMD has made both with its GPUs and with its processor lineup. In any event my aversion to NVidia has more to do with non technical issues.



    AMD has been improving it since they bought ATI. You might see some AMD options show up there too. They're using mobile workstation firmware cards for heat reasons in the thing as their upgrade options (I think default is integrated graphics). I don't know what AMD has coming up in mobile firepro cards. Given that they're using mobile cards, it would make sense to wait for kepler quadro m cards, which will probably show up later. Then of course you want to know that there aren't any terrible bugs with the software you use.



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    This is the type of product Apple used to be known for, features that actually make it easier for the owner/user. Options and an easy to open case. Today Apple only cares about "the look" and has taken it so far that Apple is removing features from its computers. The Z1 is the iMac I could see my self owning if there is a matte screen option.



    In my opinion Apple just got its "design ass" handed to them on a platter. Apple used to be known for innovation. Who ever thought HP would trump Apple?



    They have quite a few display options. Height adjustability is great, and it's one of the things lacking in the imac stand. I'm not sure how they'd maintain balance with a small chin. Most displays use a weighted base with a spring loaded telescopic base for height adjustment. HP seems kind of hit and miss in terms of reliability. Their dreamcolor displays are nice, but quite expensive. Even there, I've read complaints about dithering issues, so I definitely wouldn't go for the first one off the line.



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    Wow that HP is certainly moving in the right direction. Apple better get their heads out of the iPad long enough to have a look around. Apple should have brought that out. This is what happens when you get distracted.



    Amusingly you mention this a lot on hardware options as if you were expecting new cpus long ago. I'm guessing you haven't updated in several cycles if you're that worried about a new one?
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    Wow that HP is certainly moving in the right direction. Apple better get their heads out of the iPad long enough to have a look around. Apple should have brought that out. This is what happens when you get distracted.



    I wonder could Apple incorporate quadro gpu and the accessibility & features of the z AIO to make an iMac pro. ?



    Looking at the access and design vids I was wondering iMac pro.



    I was quite impressed with its access and hardware eg x2 hds and a quadro GPu. Very serviceable.



    Not as svelte as an iMac by any stretch. But some nice features pushing the boat on all in ones. From a company that was looking to sell off its pc division...



    Over to you apple.



    Lemon Bon Bon.
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    hmmhmm Posts: 3,405member
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    I wonder could Apple incorporate quadro gpu and the accessibility & features of the z AIO to make an iMac pro. ?






    NVidia has tried on some of their Quadro cards. We've never seen a Firepro on a Mac either. Some of the functionality that you can get with workstation drivers would be really nice.



    On displays, Apple often picks out nice parts then does kind of a flakey implementation. For one thing if you're using it for work, you don't need a super aggressive matte coating. LG coatings are aggressive because they're cheap. Panels branded by NEC and Hitachi in the past used matte coatings too, but they lacked some of the obnoxious effects. They were generally attached to expensive displays. Apple seems to set the levels a bit weird on those things too. Highlight details are sometimes difficult to discern. I don't blame them for the lack of an OSD. Some displays are released with controls that are accessible that really shouldn't be there. I've seen controls like sharpness accessible where it really shouldn't be touched. If they had either a matrix or LUT based system of display communication with a working SDK, third party companies could build appropriate colorimeter support rather than a profile only kind of situation. Assuming a colorimeter that tests well with such a display (like within a + or - 1.5 to 2 delta E margin of error assuming both display and colorimeter are within reasonable spec) or a spectrophotometer (kind of expensive for such a use) you could expect slightly better consistency and better detail. 10 bit thunderbolt drivers would be even more amazing for shadow detail given the weirdness inherent with gamma 2.2 corrections. If you look at a gamma 2.2 curve the toe is really sharp so you have very few points dedicated to shadow values. The software I use eats some of the black levels to even out color temperature throughout the range so that the panel stays as close to 6500k as possible from white to black.



    Okay I'm going off topic here. The point was that if they wanted to, Apple could make a more sophisticated and controllable display without bombarding the average consumer with complex menus.
  • Reply 246 of 374
    octaineoctaine Posts: 12member
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    Originally Posted by Lemon Bon Bon. View Post


    I wonder could Apple incorporate quadro gpu and the accessibility & features of the z AIO to make an iMac pro. ?



    Looking at the access and design vids I was wondering iMac pro.



    I was quite impressed with its access and hardware eg x2 hds and a quadro GPu. Very serviceable.



    Not as svelte as an iMac by any stretch. But some nice features pushing the boat on all in ones. From a company that was looking to sell off its pc division...



    Over to you apple.



    Lemon Bon Bon.



    If Jony Ive has so much alleged power at Apple as has been suggested I think as Pro users we can forget anything useful coming out of Apple. It seems to me IMHO that all Ives and Apple are interested are two things, making every thing as thin as possible and to look like a work of art. If the pursuit of these goals mean no expandability and not using the most powerful components in their tech well thats fine. Apple from my point of view is now telling people what they want out of technology and how they will use it whether they like it or not, we know better you people know nothing so get used to it and just buy an iPad.



    I my self will be in the market for a new Mac for use with Lightwave and ZBrush around November time. I think I will wait and see what Apple do with the Mac this year especially the Mac Pro but I really don't hold out that much hope. Looking at the preview of Mountain Lion it seems every thing is geared towards making the Mac an iPad and iPhone. So if you spend all day tweeting, posting on Facebook and taking photo's and video of every mundane thing you see well you are in luck. If you happen to be a creative (pro user) well tough luck. I think the bottom line is that Apple is now a consumer electronics company of the like of Sony and pro workstations are to niche for them to be bothered with now.



    Having said all that I hope I am wrong and the Mac gets some amazing updates and some real innovation this year. I really would be happy to eat my words in that case. As an Apple user since 1990 I really would be sad to move to Windows but that HP Z1 really does look good and ticks all the boxes.



    Rant over LOL :-P
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    tony3dtony3d Posts: 47member
    I agree with you 100%. Apple is done with the pro user period. I will start looking at the HP Z800 workstation. This seems like a great system to me.
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    wizard69wizard69 Posts: 13,377member
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    If Jony Ive has so much alleged power at Apple as has been suggested I think as Pro users we can forget anything useful coming out of Apple. It seems to me IMHO that all Ives and Apple are interested are two things, making every thing as thin as possible and to look like a work of art.



    That may very well be ive's interest, but don't forget the hardware is designed by engineers.

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    If the pursuit of these goals mean no expandability and not using the most powerful components in their tech well thats fine. Apple from my point of view is now telling people what they want out of technology and how they will use it whether they like it or not, we know better you people know nothing so get used to it and just buy an iPad.



    That is just plain asinine. If you can't see the energy they put into he laptop line up then you must be blind. Apples problem is that they have focused on laptops and pretty much have abandoned desktop development.



    Now they are likely doing that because of weak sales of desktop hardware. The problem is they have created a self fulfilling prophecy here. Hopefully they have seen the errors of their ways.

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    I my self will be in the market for a new Mac for use with Lightwave and ZBrush around November time. I think I will wait and see what Apple do with the Mac this year especially the Mac Pro but I really don't hold out that much hope.



    Well this probably won't help you much but I think the Mac Pro as we know it is dead. It is a technology dinosaur. I'm expecting a massive refactoring of what is a Pro machine.

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    Looking at the preview of Mountain Lion it seems every thing is geared towards making the Mac an iPad and iPhone. So if you spend all day tweeting, posting on Facebook and taking photo's and video of every mundane thing you see well you are in luck. If you happen to be a creative (pro user) well tough luck. I think the bottom line is that Apple is now a consumer electronics company of the like of Sony and pro workstations are to niche for them to be bothered with now.



    Garbage! You do realize that Sony was and still is in the pro hardware business. Beyond that you are looking at all the glitz in Lion and Mountain Lion marketing and are ignoring the continued improvement to the Mac OS infrastructure that Pro users count on. It is funny that nobody complained when Apple brought its own mail and internet browser to the Mac but all of a sudden Apples support of Twitter means the OS is no longer for professionals. So where is the reason in that? Beyond that I can think of dozens of professionals that make use of photos everyday, just because you can't or don't doesn't mean strong photo processing support isn't welcomed.

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    Having said all that I hope I am wrong and the Mac gets some amazing updates and some real innovation this year.



    Believe me I'm with you on this one! While I disagree with your attitude expressed here I do believe that Apple has damaged themselves significantly when it comes to desktop hardware.

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    I really would be happy to eat my words in that case. As an Apple user since 1990 I really would be sad to move to Windows but that HP Z1 really does look good and ticks all the boxes.



    Rant over LOL :-P



    You see this ticks the boxes comment is something I see as a huge problem. Apple isn't going to tick boxes from the past. If they do anything it will be to offer up a whole new set of boxes to tick. That is if there is any sanity left at Apple, they will bring out a platform that will be the basis for another decade of development. That will not include the tick boxes that hardware has been built around for the last decade.
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    wizard69wizard69 Posts: 13,377member
    That could make one think that you guys work for HP.



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    Originally Posted by tony3d View Post


    I agree with you 100%. Apple is done with the pro user period.



    I really don't think you are justified in your opinion anymore than the guy before you. Apple has yet to release any new pro hardware so I can't see how your opinion is even remotely rational. Beyond that Apple has steadily improved its OS making it the ideal platform For high quality apps.



    So honestly answer this question what is it that has resulted in this opinion that Apple is done with the Pro user?

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    I will start looking at the HP Z800 workstation. This seems like a great system to me.



    I have nothing against looking at alternative solutions but why even bother now? Really would it not make sense to wait for the next generation hardware to hit the streets in volume. That is so that you can honestly evaluate various Sandy Bridge E offerings in combo with the next generation GPUs from AMD and NVidia?



    Seriously you guys seem like a mouse ready to make a knee jerk reaction to a bit of cheese. All you see and smell is the cheese and act without regard to the trap. Then again maybe you work for HP. In the end I don't see seasoned professionals jumping at the first new and shinny to come along.
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    That could make one think that you guys work for HP.





    I really don't think you are justified in your opinion anymore than the guy before you. Apple has yet to release any new pro hardware so I can't see how your opinion is even remotely rational. Beyond that Apple has steadily improved its OS making it the ideal platform For high quality apps.



    So honestly answer this question what is it that has resulted in this opinion that Apple is done with the Pro user?





    I have nothing against looking at alternative solutions but why even bother now? Really would it not make sense to wait for the next generation hardware to hit the streets in volume. That is so that you can honestly evaluate various Sandy Bridge E offerings in combo with the next generation GPUs from AMD and NVidia?



    Seriously you guys seem like a mouse ready to make a knee jerk reaction to a bit of cheese. All you see and smell is the cheese and act without regard to the trap. Then again maybe you work for HP. In the end I don't see seasoned professionals jumping at the first new and shinny to come along.



    Interesting how you try to undermine our views by trying to imply we work for HP which I do not. You ask what has resulted in the opinion that Apple has done with the pro user? Well where shall we start?



    Mac Pro last update when was that? July/ August 2010?



    Scrapping of the Xserve



    The Final Cut Pro debacle which has seen many pro video editors move away from Apple either software and or Hardware wise.



    Lack of expandability and flexibility in there desktop line up excluding the Mac Pro which we really don't know what its fate is.



    Look at the preview video on the Apple site about Mountain Lion and you will clearly see it all about bring the iPad and iPhone experience to the Mac.

    http://www.apple.com/macosx/mountain-lion/



    Look though this form at how many pro users are asking for a the Mac Pro to be kept up to date do Apple listen to their Pro user base? I have got to say it does not look like it any more.



    As to your last point about mice, cheese and knee jerk reactions well if you re-read my post you will find I said I am waiting until November when I am ready to upgrade before making a decision. By that time we should know the direction Apple are taking with the Mac Pro and Mac in general. I would not call that a knee jerk reaction, just looking forward and planning for all eventualities based on the facts.
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    That may very well be ive's interest, but don't forget the hardware is designed by engineers.



    Indeed the hardware engineers have to work to squeeze everything into ever decreasing dimensions as prescribed by Ives.





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    That is just plain asinine. If you can't see the energy they put into he laptop line up then you must be blind. Apples problem is that they have focused on laptops and pretty much have abandoned desktop development.



    You say Apple have pretty much abandoned the desktop yes I agree thats the whole problem the only machine you can expand and put a pro level graphics card etc in is the Mac Pro but thats more or less dead. I think that constitutes abandoning the Pro user unless they pull something good out of the hat this year but I would not put any money on that.





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    Now they are likely doing that because of weak sales of desktop hardware. The problem is they have created a self fulfilling prophecy here. Hopefully they have seen the errors of their ways.



    I hope so too.





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    Well this probably won't help you much but I think the Mac Pro as we know it is dead. It is a technology dinosaur. I'm expecting a massive refactoring of what is a Pro machine.



    I agree with you here but we have been expecting a massive refactoring for sometime now. Lets face it Apple have the money, muscle and know how to have done this before now. Maybe it will happen this year, then again...





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    Garbage! You do realize that Sony was and still is in the pro hardware business. Beyond that you are looking at all the glitz in Lion and Mountain Lion marketing and are ignoring the continued improvement to the Mac OS infrastructure that Pro users count on. It is funny that nobody complained when Apple brought its own mail and internet browser to the Mac but all of a sudden Apples support of Twitter means the OS is no longer for professionals. So where is the reason in that? Beyond that I can think of dozens of professionals that make use of photos everyday, just because you can't or don't doesn't mean strong photo processing support isn't welcomed.



    You are right here Sony does have a Pro division shame Apple does not any more. As for not making use of photos and video well its kind of part and parcel of what I do but I think if you look at the Mountain Lion preview the focus is on the iOS experience so I think the writing is on the wall here for the future direction of the Mac here. Speaking for my self here it would be nice to have a full choice of pro graphics cards like Windows has. I think this is one area I would like to see OS X improve. My comments about Twitter etc were ment to highlight the fact that Apple now seems for the most part focused on the general consumer now and the needs of the pro user are secondary. May be its time for Apple to have division focused on the needs of the Pro user lets face it they have the resources to do that now.



    One other point I found this link regarding Lion it seems to be from November last year but it sugests Lion was in 3rd place in terms of Mac OS market share. I have not yet upgrades to Lion I suppose I better as Mountain Lion will be out quite soon.



    http://www.redmondpie.com/os-x-lion-...rowth-slowing/







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    Believe me I'm with you on this one! While I disagree with your attitude expressed here I do believe that Apple has damaged themselves significantly when it comes to desktop hardware.



    Agree with here on this one.





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    Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post


    You see this ticks the boxes comment is something I see as a huge problem. Apple isn't going to tick boxes from the past. If they do anything it will be to offer up a whole new set of boxes to tick. That is if there is any sanity left at Apple, they will bring out a platform that will be the basis for another decade of development. That will not include the tick boxes that hardware has been built around for the last decade.





    Well Apple have the money and expertise to do it question is why is it taking so long? May be the answer is Apple's focus is now on iOS and the consumer. Just before Steve died was there not going to be some big announcement regarding the Mac? What happened to that? As to the ticking of boxes I think the Pro user has certain needs with you could boil down to expansion and flexibility both internal and external. It seems at times that when Apple innovates we have no choice but to fallow. If all is to be believed about the next lot of laptops there will be no optical disc. Great may be for you average punter but what about the rest of us have have a lot of data stored on DVD's? Oh thats right use an external drive but does that not make the laptop a little less portable and usable having to have an external drive to connect if you have data stored on a DVD. My point here is this might not be a problem for your average user but it seems like another limitation for a Pro user, again Apple's bias towards the consumer showing though. Lets hope we see some innovation for the Pro user this year and the desktop range.
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    Speaking for my self here it would be nice to have a full choice of pro graphics cards like Windows has. I think this is one area I would like to see OS X improve.



    If it didn't happen already, it wont happen now. Apple is pushing the Thunderbolt port and if another version of the Mac Pro comes up, the graphics card will have the Thunderbolt port which you don't see on other PC hardware. A possible solution would be some kind of adapter which merges the Thunderbolt signal from a port on the motherboard with the signal from the display port signal to work like the "regular" Thunderbolt as we know it but still, very unlikely and I don't know if that's possible.
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    Currently on the sofa with the iPad. iPhone 4 in my pocket. Apple tv connected to the 50 inch plasma. Old 2001 (?) G4 450 MHz tower in the corner. 24 inch core duo iMac upstairs.



    The amount of Apple kit is starting to add up.



    This iPad is cutting edge. It made me wonder what Macs would be like if apple had the same input into their laptop and desktop chips as they do the A5 CPU/quad GPu etc soc.



    But surely the iMac, mini and air designs show the direction they'd go? Even the battery is glued down, apparently, in the new iPad. Ie if the battery goes kaput they'll just send you a whole new one. This sense of 'sealed unit' design is what gives them their edge or they don't wish to be all things to all men or compete with the competition on their terms. (Though some will be critical of it just as some derided the jettisoning of the floppy.)



    That may partly explain while the pro evaporated up the price points since the heady G3 years.



    The iPad in my hand makes me wonder where things are going. This thing is powerful for a razor thin device.



    Procreate are raving about how their painting app, £2.99 for professionals, will work on the new iPad's quad core GPU. Ie their painting engine is open gs(?)2 based. As an artist I can't wait for the 1.6 release to try it. Just need a decent stylus.... Pro apps for iPad?!



    Video apps? iPhoto? iWork? Powerful and simple apps without the bloat.



    If we had a 'Rogue' chip next year... ...could apple intro' a 20 inch iPad? With a6 chip and a bit more ram? Dock it on an adjustable stand?



    Even posting on this forum, the old graphics of the desktop era look painful to the eye compared to the iOS interface.



    I'm not too worried about the finder either or drilling nestled folders at the moment either.



    This feels bleeding edge compared to sitting at the iMac with a mouse. Though I do feel glad to sit down at the iMac when I do.



    But I can't see Apple applying the same bleeding edge paradigm to their desktops. Maybe iOS will morph into the 21st century macs. I kinda feel this iPad is the best mac for the 'rest of us' apple has ever made. But the iPad is just at the beginning.



    Makes me wonder about paying thousands for a pro when a faster mainstream model comes along 3 years later leaving you with a slow old big box. Things get faster and smaller I guess. The tech in the iPad is a bargain at £399.



    This can play 1080p on 50 inch screen care of the ATV. It's star trek tech to me.



    It just works.



    The mac seems cutting edge on many levels but almost quaint compared to this.



    I guess apple may ride the mac train until the iOS devices are ready to take over?



    If they can do this for this amazing price it makes me wonder why their desktops are so overpriced. Their laptops are beautiful. I guess the airs will drag the pro lap tops screaming along with thinner designs.



    ...and will the desktops follow? I think the iMac and mini kinda are.



    I guess it's the pro's turn for a makeover paradigm shift..?



    Do apple want the consumer to tinker and and upgrade? Or just buy a new model?



    If apple can hand out 45 billion to shareholders over the next 3 years surely they can give the pro one more design and a price cut?



    Or will the iMac make it obselete over time? Will the iOS make the mac as we know it obsolete over time?



    Could the new pro just be single core 6 and 8 core models with a powerful GPu and two hard drive bays? Similar as to what has been suggested elsewhere? Would it be like the iMac or mini and be virtually a sealed box but more powerful than a mid range or top end iMac? Could they make it much cheaper than the current pro? You cede the iMac screen for a more powerful computer priced in middle/upper tier iMac pricing?



    Musingly...



    Lemon Bon Bon.
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    If it didn't happen already, it wont happen now. Apple is pushing the Thunderbolt port and if another version of the Mac Pro comes up, the graphics card will have the Thunderbolt port which you don't see on other PC hardware. A possible solution would be some kind of adapter which merges the Thunderbolt signal from a port on the motherboard with the signal from the display port signal to work like the "regular" Thunderbolt as we know it but still, very unlikely and I don't know if that's possible.



    Kind of what I was getting at re apple desktops. Ie if it hasn't happened now, will it ever?



    Does any of it fit in with their hardware/design/money churn philosophy?



    Shouldn't we be able to use most any CPU or GPu in a pro by now? Can't apple just sell us the case?



    Are Apple's desktops now merely evolutionary with the pro looking ever more he odd one out and vulnerable because of it?



    Lemon Bon Bon.
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    not1lostnot1lost Posts: 136member
    well, Ivy Bridge has been out a while, Macbook Pro in production with it, other companies incorperating it, iPad 3rd Gen. is cooling off, and it's TUESDAY! Let's see what happens... Come on Apple.....
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    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
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    well, Ivy Bridge has been out a while, Macbook Pro in production with it, other companies incorperating it, iPad 3rd Gen. is cooling off, and it's TUESDAY! Let's see what happens... Come on Apple.....



    It's not even April. The iPad is NOT cooling off in the slightest. Expect nothing for the next month.
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    I'd agree with that. 4 months before any mac news. Wow. And it will probably be the portables first...



    I wonder if the new iMac will launch with the new MacBook pro?



    Lemon Bon Bon.
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    Or is there hope for a 'quiet' sandy bridge pro update in April?



    Lemon Bon Bon.
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    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
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    Originally Posted by Lemon Bon Bon. View Post


    4 months before any mac news.



    Weeks, yeah?



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    I wonder if the new iMac will launch with the new MacBook pro?



    Likely not; desktop chips are slated for further back than laptop, and there's no sense doing it simultaneously.



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    Or is there hope for a 'quiet' sandy bridge pro update in April?



    Not if there's to be a case redesign.
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    not1lostnot1lost Posts: 136member
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    Weeks, yeah?







    Not if there's to be a case redesign.



    are there rumors of a "case redesign" ? I've read "wishful thinking" but not anything solid? maybe I missed it?



    Anyway it is a moot point for me. I like the one they have. I think it is beautifully perfect as far as what I have seen. If they brought one out much different I would probably buy the old model, which would be enough for me anyway. I just hate to buy something then a new one come out right afterwards. But on this point of a case redesign; like I said if it was changed much I wouldnt want it anyway and would buy the old one. Which I may go ahead and do anyway.... Although that makes me nervous thinking they would come out with a case redesign and I would love it and I would be sick and out thousands of dollars... Just trying to get a good Mac and not be disappointed later as I am treading new waters here....
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