It makes me wonder if blatant mimicry is a viable market strategy. This surely works well for predatory and prey in the biological world so why not for business world. We can argue ethics and morales but that's a personal thing and you'd be hard pressed to get enough people on board, especially when the buyer isn't being duped (like with the way financial institutions acted) but when they are merely duping other companies for which the buyer tends to feel they are benefiting.
what mimicry? The courts in Germany, Netherland, Austrialia already threw away most of Apple's design patents already - the only valid ones were Android specific ones involving scrolling patents.
what mimicry? The courts in Germany, Netherland, Austrialia already threw away most of Apple's design patents already - the only valid ones were Android specific ones involving scrolling patents.
The courts in those countries didn't say Samsung didn't copy Apple's products, they said they weren't in violation of the law for the items Apple presented. If you can't look at Samsung's products before and after the iPhone, iPad and MBA to see how Samsung has copied their styling then you are lying to yourself. You can look at Sony's Tablet S and WP7 to see that copying Apple isn't the only way to do things, although Samsung is proving it's the only way to make money if you're not the apex vendor.
HTC's software enhancements to Android are probably the only OEM modifications that actually enhance Android. They developed a lot of the features that Google eventually put into ICS.
How many consumers walk into AT&T asking for Sense?
Are staffers at AT&T, Verizon or Best Buy more likely to showcase Sense or the Super Amoled display? In fact, how many staffers know much about Sense?
How many consumers walk into AT&T asking for Sense?
Are staffers at AT&T, Verizon or Best Buy more likely to showcase Sense or the Super Amoled display? In fact, how many staffers know much about Sense?
Very few I bet. But Sense IS nice, and adds polish. I also think OLED displays look terrible, even Super AMOLED Plus... LCDs are nicer IMO. Display wise, the nicest on the market are LG, Apple (which uses LG I believe), and HTC (also LG? Not sure). Honestly, I think Samsung phones suck, HTCs are much nicer (though their lineup is confusing).
I love how almost every tech company has pointed towards Apple/iPhone as cause for their shitty financials. Is this the same iPhone they all tastelessly mocked only a few short years ago?
Good. They've contributed pretty much NOTHING to the mobile industry, besides creating a shell and a shitty skin around a free OS they have nothing to do with. There pretty much isn't a single innovative thing they've done, saving for advertising specs (which somehow dont stop the phones from running like shit) and aping every single one of Apple's design innovations.
I love how almost every tech company has pointed towards Apple/iPhone as cause for their shitty financials. Is this the same iPhone they all tastelessly mocked only a few short years ago?
Good. They've contributed pretty much NOTHING to the mobile industry, besides creating a shell and a shitty skin around a free OS they have nothing to do with. There pretty much isn't a single innovative thing they've done, saving for advertising specs (which somehow dont stop the phones from running like shit) and aping every single one of Apple's design innovations.
HTC did create some of the first touch devices ever (in 2000 they made a Palm branded touchscreen smartphone, and the iPAQ - the name predates the iPod BTW, not to mention Windows Mobile phones dating back to 2002).
Motorola also pretty much invented the cell phone a few decades ago...
Samsung and LG have also been pioneering display and memory technologies for quite some time, and Apple uses their technology.
HTC did create some of the first touch devices ever (in 2000 they made a Palm branded touchscreen smartphone, and the iPAQ - the name predates the iPod BTW, not to mention Windows Mobile phones dating back to 2002).
Share price is down over 5% today and its fallen over 50% from a high of 1100 just under a year ago. It does have a very low PE ratio at 7.5 but all that says is its earnings going forward look bleak. oops
HTC's products are among the best, but there's some fierce competition. The numbers aren't even that bad, they just couldn't keep up with the pace they set earlier this year. The CEO already said they'll refocus their lineup, and make only higher end products. If you want to see bad numbers, check out Motorola, Sony-Ericsson and LG. HTC just set the earlier bar too high, and disappointed.
While I can't speak for others, my original Droid Incredbile (the DINC) on VZ was a god-awful phone for me. Constant factory resets, spontaneous rebooting, running hot, lockups and battery pulls - you name it, I had it. The upgrade to Froyo 2.2 was a disaster for me an only exacerbated all the problems.
Rooting the phone and trying 6 different ROM's couldn't get the phone to run stable without daily spontaneous reboots or lockups. When VZ sent me an early upgrade notice after 14 months with the DINC, I jumped on it to get an iPhone and couldn't be happier.
A friend in work with a DINC also had numerous problems but is an Android fan and gave up on his for a Motorola Bionic, also vowing not to get another HTC phone.
While I can't speak for others, my original Droid Incredbile (the DINC) on VZ was a god-awful phone for me. Constant factory resets, spontaneous rebooting, running hot, lockups and battery pulls - you name it, I had it. The upgrade to Froyo 2.2 was a disaster for me an only exacerbated all the problems.
Rooting the phone and trying 6 different ROM's couldn't get the phone to run stable without daily spontaneous reboots or lockups. When VZ sent me an early upgrade notice after 14 months with the DINC, I jumped on it to get an iPhone and couldn't be happier.
A friend in work with a DINC also had numerous problems but is an Android fan and gave up on his for a Motorola Bionic, also vowing not to get another HTC phone.
I personally had a terrible experience on an iPhone 3g, and just bought an HTC Amaze, and couldn't be happier. No reboots, runs very fast, the 4.3 inch screen is great, and its pretty much replaced my computer.
Very few I bet. But Sense IS nice, and adds polish. I also think OLED displays look terrible, even Super AMOLED Plus... LCDs are nicer IMO. Display wise, the nicest on the market are LG, Apple (which uses LG I believe), and HTC (also LG? Not sure). Honestly, I think Samsung phones suck, HTCs are much nicer (though their lineup is confusing).
I have the iPhone (4 generations of them, including two with Retina Displays), and I have a Samsung Galaxy with Super AMOLED Plus. While they are not the same and have different pros and cons, it's really hard to say which display is better, IMO (and I'm staring at them). Regardless, I'm willing to accept this sort of thing can be subjective. The real issue is that Sense is not marketable, Super AMOLED Plus is. The results speak for themselves.
Let's not forget, Samsung has a longer and more successful history of making cellphones. They took a bit longer to launch their Android lineup but they sure caught up in a hurry. For the same reason, we cannot count out a Nokia revival.
It's really offputting to spend your hard earned cash on the next big thing....then boom, the next big thing is out...I never understood the need for so many models...shit makes no damn sense.
Beats the heck out of me as well. Nokia used to do this really well, every year there would be the new phone to have, so as your 12 month contract came to an end you were onto the next greatest phone. They still made their other phones, but they always had the brand leading phone, whether it was the 2110, 5110, 6110, 7110, 7650, 3650, and so forth. (Showing my age there).
But today, who knows what are the leading phones in some ranges? Certainly not HTC range.
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It makes me wonder if blatant mimicry is a viable market strategy. This surely works well for predatory and prey in the biological world so why not for business world. We can argue ethics and morales but that's a personal thing and you'd be hard pressed to get enough people on board, especially when the buyer isn't being duped (like with the way financial institutions acted) but when they are merely duping other companies for which the buyer tends to feel they are benefiting.
what mimicry? The courts in Germany, Netherland, Austrialia already threw away most of Apple's design patents already - the only valid ones were Android specific ones involving scrolling patents.
what mimicry? The courts in Germany, Netherland, Austrialia already threw away most of Apple's design patents already - the only valid ones were Android specific ones involving scrolling patents.
The courts in those countries didn't say Samsung didn't copy Apple's products, they said they weren't in violation of the law for the items Apple presented. If you can't look at Samsung's products before and after the iPhone, iPad and MBA to see how Samsung has copied their styling then you are lying to yourself. You can look at Sony's Tablet S and WP7 to see that copying Apple isn't the only way to do things, although Samsung is proving it's the only way to make money if you're not the apex vendor.
Case in point: BMW sues Chinese company for copying the X5 fakes... BMW lost: http://www.economist.com/node/8961838
Can anyone, without thinking or looking, name a key distinctive feature of HTC phones?
Is 'number of models per year' a distinctive feature?
What about 'kickstand'? I think that we can pretend to call a 'kickstand' a feature.
I think Android eventually will implode. It is an unsustainable platform until 1, just 1 device gets the official Android label.
Is 'number of models per year' a distinctive feature?
What about 'kickstand'? I think that we can pretend to call a 'kickstand' a feature.
I think Samsung has kicked the stand underneath HTC
Sense.
HTC's software enhancements to Android are probably the only OEM modifications that actually enhance Android. They developed a lot of the features that Google eventually put into ICS.
How many consumers walk into AT&T asking for Sense?
Are staffers at AT&T, Verizon or Best Buy more likely to showcase Sense or the Super Amoled display? In fact, how many staffers know much about Sense?
Are staffers at AT&T, Verizon or Best Buy more likely to showcase Sense or the Super Amoled display? In fact, how many staffers know much about Sense?
I'm going to resist the joke here. Imagine one of your own.
How many consumers walk into AT&T asking for Sense?
Are staffers at AT&T, Verizon or Best Buy more likely to showcase Sense or the Super Amoled display? In fact, how many staffers know much about Sense?
Very few I bet. But Sense IS nice, and adds polish. I also think OLED displays look terrible, even Super AMOLED Plus... LCDs are nicer IMO. Display wise, the nicest on the market are LG, Apple (which uses LG I believe), and HTC (also LG? Not sure). Honestly, I think Samsung phones suck, HTCs are much nicer (though their lineup is confusing).
Good. They've contributed pretty much NOTHING to the mobile industry, besides creating a shell and a shitty skin around a free OS they have nothing to do with. There pretty much isn't a single innovative thing they've done, saving for advertising specs (which somehow dont stop the phones from running like shit) and aping every single one of Apple's design innovations.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericsavi...than-facebook/
I love how almost every tech company has pointed towards Apple/iPhone as cause for their shitty financials. Is this the same iPhone they all tastelessly mocked only a few short years ago?
Good. They've contributed pretty much NOTHING to the mobile industry, besides creating a shell and a shitty skin around a free OS they have nothing to do with. There pretty much isn't a single innovative thing they've done, saving for advertising specs (which somehow dont stop the phones from running like shit) and aping every single one of Apple's design innovations.
HTC did create some of the first touch devices ever (in 2000 they made a Palm branded touchscreen smartphone, and the iPAQ - the name predates the iPod BTW, not to mention Windows Mobile phones dating back to 2002).
Motorola also pretty much invented the cell phone a few decades ago...
Samsung and LG have also been pioneering display and memory technologies for quite some time, and Apple uses their technology.
HTC did create some of the first touch devices ever (in 2000 they made a Palm branded touchscreen smartphone, and the iPAQ - the name predates the iPod BTW, not to mention Windows Mobile phones dating back to 2002).
They were like Foxconn today, not innovative
[...] "LTE handsets also didn't meet our expectations." [...]
How could they? Limited LTE coverage + poor battery life = one big Meh.
Share price is down over 5% today and its fallen over 50% from a high of 1100 just under a year ago. It does have a very low PE ratio at 7.5 but all that says is its earnings going forward look bleak. oops
HTC's products are among the best, but there's some fierce competition. The numbers aren't even that bad, they just couldn't keep up with the pace they set earlier this year. The CEO already said they'll refocus their lineup, and make only higher end products. If you want to see bad numbers, check out Motorola, Sony-Ericsson and LG. HTC just set the earlier bar too high, and disappointed.
While I can't speak for others, my original Droid Incredbile (the DINC) on VZ was a god-awful phone for me. Constant factory resets, spontaneous rebooting, running hot, lockups and battery pulls - you name it, I had it. The upgrade to Froyo 2.2 was a disaster for me an only exacerbated all the problems.
Rooting the phone and trying 6 different ROM's couldn't get the phone to run stable without daily spontaneous reboots or lockups. When VZ sent me an early upgrade notice after 14 months with the DINC, I jumped on it to get an iPhone and couldn't be happier.
A friend in work with a DINC also had numerous problems but is an Android fan and gave up on his for a Motorola Bionic, also vowing not to get another HTC phone.
While I can't speak for others, my original Droid Incredbile (the DINC) on VZ was a god-awful phone for me. Constant factory resets, spontaneous rebooting, running hot, lockups and battery pulls - you name it, I had it. The upgrade to Froyo 2.2 was a disaster for me an only exacerbated all the problems.
Rooting the phone and trying 6 different ROM's couldn't get the phone to run stable without daily spontaneous reboots or lockups. When VZ sent me an early upgrade notice after 14 months with the DINC, I jumped on it to get an iPhone and couldn't be happier.
A friend in work with a DINC also had numerous problems but is an Android fan and gave up on his for a Motorola Bionic, also vowing not to get another HTC phone.
I personally had a terrible experience on an iPhone 3g, and just bought an HTC Amaze, and couldn't be happier. No reboots, runs very fast, the 4.3 inch screen is great, and its pretty much replaced my computer.
Very few I bet. But Sense IS nice, and adds polish. I also think OLED displays look terrible, even Super AMOLED Plus... LCDs are nicer IMO. Display wise, the nicest on the market are LG, Apple (which uses LG I believe), and HTC (also LG? Not sure). Honestly, I think Samsung phones suck, HTCs are much nicer (though their lineup is confusing).
I have the iPhone (4 generations of them, including two with Retina Displays), and I have a Samsung Galaxy with Super AMOLED Plus. While they are not the same and have different pros and cons, it's really hard to say which display is better, IMO (and I'm staring at them). Regardless, I'm willing to accept this sort of thing can be subjective. The real issue is that Sense is not marketable, Super AMOLED Plus is. The results speak for themselves.
Let's not forget, Samsung has a longer and more successful history of making cellphones. They took a bit longer to launch their Android lineup but they sure caught up in a hurry. For the same reason, we cannot count out a Nokia revival.
it is really becoming funny...
samsung is helping apple destroying android...
just wait for google to buy motorola and start a thermonuclear civil war!
It's really offputting to spend your hard earned cash on the next big thing....then boom, the next big thing is out...I never understood the need for so many models...shit makes no damn sense.
Beats the heck out of me as well. Nokia used to do this really well, every year there would be the new phone to have, so as your 12 month contract came to an end you were onto the next greatest phone. They still made their other phones, but they always had the brand leading phone, whether it was the 2110, 5110, 6110, 7110, 7650, 3650, and so forth. (Showing my age there).
But today, who knows what are the leading phones in some ranges? Certainly not HTC range.