Does Reader deserve the biggest button in the whole UI? It’s really just a view control, and already had a fine spot. It’s nice, but if anything, I use the Zoom Bigger button more. Maybe that button should be four inches across...
In fact, I’d rather have a big Reading List button than an oversize Reader button. Reading List also makes iCloud more useful, so you’d think Apple would focus on that.
This sounds like a UI experiment that won’t make it out of beta.
I also need RSS: RSS serves as an “alternate home page” for a site, from which I open multiple tabs. Who wants to switch back and forth between two browsing apps? Luckily, I’m sure a Safari Extension can fill the RSS need if Apple doesn’t. But I’m hoping Apple is actually improving RSS (it needs it) and we’ll see that later.
No that's entirely different but I know what you mean .. I think you misunderstood. Those screenshots you posted are web inspector.
Ah, I see what you're wanting. I think Apple's decision here is to make the source be just plaintext for copying out to documents. Color would add complexity (and perhaps require different encoding), no?
A unified URL and search field with auto-completion means that a search engine knows what web sites you're typing in. I see that as a major invasion of privacy.
Microsoft didn't follow Vista with Mountain Vista. What's wrong with Apple?
A unified URL and search field with auto-completion means that a search engine knows what web sites you're typing in.
What's that? The search engine that you're using to find stuff knows what you're typing into it to find stuff?
Search engines were capturing what you typed into the URL bar already. Or, alternately, they won't be doing it with the new setup. Believe whichever you want to believe.
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I see that as a major invasion of privacy.
Google exists on the Internet. Your privacy has already been invaded.
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Microsoft didn't follow Vista with Mountain Vista. What's wrong with Apple?
This thread is getting long and I'm not going to read everything, but... The Safari update looks very Chrome-like.
That's a pretty good summary of the 46 posts above yours into a line... it also included a debate on whether that's a good thing or not and if anyone is ripping off anyone else.
Not sure why people hate the unified search/address bar. I've been hoping that the feature would come to Safari for a little while now. Maybe someone can explain why there would be any degree of conflict? I imagine it would be easier to use for typical computer users as well.
Only complaint that makes any sense seem rather tinfoil-hat-esque to me, but are not an issue at all if you can turn off search suggestions. For me, this is a feature I'd wanted since the Firefox 0.8 days--it never made any sense to me that the bars were separate.
It looks like Chrome's omnibus is still better, though, in that you can search specific websites by typing in the URL (or part of it) and hit Tab. It also has tabs on top, which is win. I've never understood why I need the title of my current tab to be shown twice.
If not for Safari's better OS integration, I would probably use Chrome.
That's right, news. Which is a pain to read on AI because facts are mixed with the writers personal opinion, but it's still written in such a away it's the one and only truth.
Why doesn't the author just be honest with it and separate fact and opinion and write a personal opinion, eg:
// objective facts go here
I've always thoughtSafari has a history of delivering innovative new features while retaining one of the simplest user interfaces among major browsers available.
// objective facts go here
// etc
... Just choose to write in a blog/opinion esque style or write news, the current articles read as propoganda.
It's clear and blatant this site has a strong slant and the articles are highly opinionated. I don't mind this, because there's a million other tech blogs online (even apple fan sites) that pretend to be fair and balanced. This site doesn't, and thats fine. I'm glad it exists, as I enjoy reading articles written with obvious passion towards the company and the product. Maybe its because I happen to share that passion, but bitching about the fact that this site is opinionated is pretty ridiculous, as it's been like that for 10+ years. You don't like it, don't read it. Its not the wall street journal, reuters, etc and doesn't pretend to be.
If I have to use a PC I use chrome so I?m glad that the unified entry bar is coming to safari. I wonder how this will translate to OS X since the on-screen keyboard for URL?s is different to the one for general text entry (ie [ . ] [ / ] [ .com ] instead of spacebar).
from 1998-2006 (more or less), MSFT solidified its desktop dominance in part by co-opting Javascript. They made their own version that would run properly only on IE on Windows. Then the Web development community played along by developing sites for IE on Windows because it had such huge [monopolistic] market share. Even IE on Mac was not 100% compatible. This then became the mantra of keeping Macs out of the enterprise "Why they just are not compatible!" (The same thing was being done by MSFT with Office - Mac versions were not 100% compatible. Tho no one was whining about "walled garden Windows" in those days.)
This is why Safari exists, and probably why Apple did WebKit. They were delving into cloud computing (.mac and later MobilMe) and wanted to be sure that there was at least one browser that would render their sites properly. WebKit ensured that the new standards would indeed become standards now that so many browsers use WebKit.
Essentially, WebKit broke the MS monopoly on the desktop.
Essentially, WebKit broke the MS monopoly on the desktop.
I'd give Apple the lion's share of the credit for making web standards as popular as they are today across so many platforms but I'd give Mozilla the lion's share of the credit for breaking IE's browser monopoly.
- keeping the toolbar customisable so you can add a homepage
- no tabbed title bar, I tried it and didn't like it
- unified search is great, it will only submit a Google search if it can't find what you type in
I'm not sure about the giant tabs as they look like they might be a pain to reorder but I like that you can see the full text in the tab.
What I don't like with tabs is how they run off the end and you have to use the drop-down to see what the furthest ones are. Part of me wishes that they had a collapsible side-bar with tabs that had image previews of the page but I tried that with OmniWeb and I just couldn't get used to it.
Maybe it needs something like Exposé where you can hit a key combo or button and you get an iPad-like thumbnail view that shows as a transparent overlay on top of the page you are on. They could get rid of the tab bar and just have a small button with a page counter. This would also show tabs/pages that existed in other windows.
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I'd give Apple the lion's share of the credit for making web standards as popular as they are today across so many platforms but I'd give Mozilla the lion's share of the credit for breaking IE's browser monopoly.
I'd say webkit deserves some of that credit too though, especially regarding the mobile space. Webkit's share now exceeds FF/Gecko:
I like how W3C optimistically puts IE at 20%. If only that were the case. At least it's below webkit now. If Microsoft decided to adopt webkit and put their hardware acceleration back into the project, that would be a very decent thing to do. It would then practically force FF to jump to Webkit and the web would finally be complete.
I'm not sure about the giant tabs as they look like they might be a pain to reorder but I like that you can see the full text in the tab.
Not an issue as they shrink down to what they are in Safari 5.1 as you add new ones so the length is dependent on the number and width of the window.
Peraonally I don't care for them being so long as I am use to keeping the tab bar visible and then clicking on the empty space to create a new tab. This new method forces me to go all the way to far right to create a new tab in that manner.
Also, I'd like for the option to add a separate search bar even if the address bar can still do both.
I'd give Apple the lion's share of the credit for making web standards as popular as they are today across so many platforms but I'd give Mozilla the lion's share of the credit for breaking IE's browser monopoly.
Mozilla definitely broke the browser monopoly. Firefox took a huge share of browser usage back when Safari was unknown for non Apple users and Chrome didn't even exist yet. But the real dagger to Microsoft's dominance in browser market share is iPhone and Android. As mobile browsers increase in usage IE will fade away. Thank god. And another positive is that the remaining desktop share of IE will soon be mostly IE 8 and 9, which are infinitely better than 6 or 7, at least from a developer's point of view. The whole browser landscape is so much better than just a couple of years ago.
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I think I'll like the answer, but what do you mean by this?
What do you think I really mean?
Chrome have color syntax (http://sht.tl/bmPT) whereas Safari doesn't (http://sht.tl/j76). I'd rather color > bland b/w anytime these day.
What do you think I really mean?
Chrome have color syntax (http://sht.tl/bmPT) whereas Safari doesn't (http://sht.tl/j76). I'd rather color > bland b/w anytime these day.
You're comparing the actual browser to a text document.
Safari has ALWAYS had colored syntax highlighting, and it even has colored HOVER highlighting now.
You're comparing the actual browser to a text document.
Safari has ALWAYS had colored syntax highlighting, and it even has colored HOVER highlighting now.
No that's entirely different but I know what you mean .. I think you misunderstood. Those screenshots you posted are web inspector.
Do 'view-source' on Chrome vs Safari, NOT via web inspector. You'll see what I mean...
In fact, I’d rather have a big Reading List button than an oversize Reader button. Reading List also makes iCloud more useful, so you’d think Apple would focus on that.
This sounds like a UI experiment that won’t make it out of beta.
I also need RSS: RSS serves as an “alternate home page” for a site, from which I open multiple tabs. Who wants to switch back and forth between two browsing apps? Luckily, I’m sure a Safari Extension can fill the RSS need if Apple doesn’t. But I’m hoping Apple is actually improving RSS (it needs it) and we’ll see that later.
No that's entirely different but I know what you mean .. I think you misunderstood. Those screenshots you posted are web inspector.
Ah, I see what you're wanting. I think Apple's decision here is to make the source be just plaintext for copying out to documents. Color would add complexity (and perhaps require different encoding), no?
Microsoft didn't follow Vista with Mountain Vista. What's wrong with Apple?
A unified URL and search field with auto-completion means that a search engine knows what web sites you're typing in.
What's that? The search engine that you're using to find stuff knows what you're typing into it to find stuff?
Search engines were capturing what you typed into the URL bar already. Or, alternately, they won't be doing it with the new setup. Believe whichever you want to believe.
I see that as a major invasion of privacy.
Google exists on the Internet. Your privacy has already been invaded.
Microsoft didn't follow Vista with Mountain Vista. What's wrong with Apple?
Please stop this.
This thread is getting long and I'm not going to read everything, but... The Safari update looks very Chrome-like.
That's a pretty good summary of the 46 posts above yours into a line... it also included a debate on whether that's a good thing or not and if anyone is ripping off anyone else.
The Apple asskissing continues.
If you are offended by facts, why don't you bury your head in the sand somewhere?
Or alternatively, you could refute them with an argument. What you offer is worthless hot air.
Not sure why people hate the unified search/address bar. I've been hoping that the feature would come to Safari for a little while now. Maybe someone can explain why there would be any degree of conflict? I imagine it would be easier to use for typical computer users as well.
Only complaint that makes any sense seem rather tinfoil-hat-esque to me, but are not an issue at all if you can turn off search suggestions. For me, this is a feature I'd wanted since the Firefox 0.8 days--it never made any sense to me that the bars were separate.
It looks like Chrome's omnibus is still better, though, in that you can search specific websites by typing in the URL (or part of it) and hit Tab. It also has tabs on top, which is win. I've never understood why I need the title of my current tab to be shown twice.
If not for Safari's better OS integration, I would probably use Chrome.
That's right, news. Which is a pain to read on AI because facts are mixed with the writers personal opinion, but it's still written in such a away it's the one and only truth.
Why doesn't the author just be honest with it and separate fact and opinion and write a personal opinion, eg:
// objective facts go here
I've always thoughtSafari has a history of delivering innovative new features while retaining one of the simplest user interfaces among major browsers available.
// objective facts go here
// etc
... Just choose to write in a blog/opinion esque style or write news, the current articles read as propoganda.
It's clear and blatant this site has a strong slant and the articles are highly opinionated. I don't mind this, because there's a million other tech blogs online (even apple fan sites) that pretend to be fair and balanced. This site doesn't, and thats fine. I'm glad it exists, as I enjoy reading articles written with obvious passion towards the company and the product. Maybe its because I happen to share that passion, but bitching about the fact that this site is opinionated is pretty ridiculous, as it's been like that for 10+ years. You don't like it, don't read it. Its not the wall street journal, reuters, etc and doesn't pretend to be.
I like this feature when I use Chrome on my old Windows XP laptop. Glad it is being introduced to Safari (my preferred browser on Mac).
This is why Safari exists, and probably why Apple did WebKit. They were delving into cloud computing (.mac and later MobilMe) and wanted to be sure that there was at least one browser that would render their sites properly. WebKit ensured that the new standards would indeed become standards now that so many browsers use WebKit.
Essentially, WebKit broke the MS monopoly on the desktop.
Essentially, WebKit broke the MS monopoly on the desktop.
I'd give Apple the lion's share of the credit for making web standards as popular as they are today across so many platforms but I'd give Mozilla the lion's share of the credit for breaking IE's browser monopoly.
- keeping the toolbar customisable so you can add a homepage
- no tabbed title bar, I tried it and didn't like it
- unified search is great, it will only submit a Google search if it can't find what you type in
I'm not sure about the giant tabs as they look like they might be a pain to reorder but I like that you can see the full text in the tab.
What I don't like with tabs is how they run off the end and you have to use the drop-down to see what the furthest ones are. Part of me wishes that they had a collapsible side-bar with tabs that had image previews of the page but I tried that with OmniWeb and I just couldn't get used to it.
Maybe it needs something like Exposé where you can hit a key combo or button and you get an iPad-like thumbnail view that shows as a transparent overlay on top of the page you are on. They could get rid of the tab bar and just have a small button with a page counter. This would also show tabs/pages that existed in other windows.
I'd give Apple the lion's share of the credit for making web standards as popular as they are today across so many platforms but I'd give Mozilla the lion's share of the credit for breaking IE's browser monopoly.
I'd say webkit deserves some of that credit too though, especially regarding the mobile space. Webkit's share now exceeds FF/Gecko:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_s...f_web_browsers
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-w...-201102-201202
I like how W3C optimistically puts IE at 20%. If only that were the case. At least it's below webkit now. If Microsoft decided to adopt webkit and put their hardware acceleration back into the project, that would be a very decent thing to do. It would then practically force FF to jump to Webkit and the web would finally be complete.
I'm not sure about the giant tabs as they look like they might be a pain to reorder but I like that you can see the full text in the tab.
Not an issue as they shrink down to what they are in Safari 5.1 as you add new ones so the length is dependent on the number and width of the window.
Peraonally I don't care for them being so long as I am use to keeping the tab bar visible and then clicking on the empty space to create a new tab. This new method forces me to go all the way to far right to create a new tab in that manner.
Also, I'd like for the option to add a separate search bar even if the address bar can still do both.
I'd give Apple the lion's share of the credit for making web standards as popular as they are today across so many platforms but I'd give Mozilla the lion's share of the credit for breaking IE's browser monopoly.
Mozilla definitely broke the browser monopoly. Firefox took a huge share of browser usage back when Safari was unknown for non Apple users and Chrome didn't even exist yet. But the real dagger to Microsoft's dominance in browser market share is iPhone and Android. As mobile browsers increase in usage IE will fade away. Thank god. And another positive is that the remaining desktop share of IE will soon be mostly IE 8 and 9, which are infinitely better than 6 or 7, at least from a developer's point of view. The whole browser landscape is so much better than just a couple of years ago.