There's an abundance of biogas coming from Microsoft's executive suite.
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Originally Posted by MessagePad2100
As the rest of the world is busy killing each other because of artificial scarcity, and still fighting stupid racial, religious, and political battles of yesteryear, Apple is just moving on.
As is the nature of human existence, and perhaps all life in the universe. We exist as a "floating point". We (well some of us) can "perceive" incredibly small things like a quark all the way to infinite dimensions. Similarly, in the human mind/consciousness, we can perceive every second of a simple act like breathing, all the way to imagining the grandeur or the Divine.
That's why Mass Effect is really interesting. It's based on the concept that with the right "spark", humanity can achieve some pretty amazing stuff in a very short time, without losing its essence (the good parts, hopefully retained).
And perhaps that's why some of us here are like that. I don't think we're superior, or amazing, just somehow different. Maybe Science will one day quantify it, "intelligence" alone is not a measure. Being able to rise above poverty, prejudice and insular thinking... is something, I found out, quite rare in the world.
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Originally Posted by boeyc15
While this CAN run biogas, I suspect it will run good ol fashion natural gas. IMO, the main benefit of these local fuel cells is improved reliability from being on 'the grid'.
When can I get something like this for my (ground floor) apartment? I just need about 10kWh per day max. Combined with solar panels, it would be very attractive environmentally and economically.
Please stop putting external links in your posts. They almost always lead to MS and Google related blogs which rarely have anything to do with the quoted text or the article.
Much of what I contribute to the forum wouldn't be accepted as accurate without links. It's not unusual that what I post goes against the "everyone knows" mentality, so I better bring proof.
As for linking mostly to Google or Microsoft blogs, that would be incorrect. FOSS, Groklaw, Ars and 9to5Mac are my normal go-to sources. In fact linking to anything connected to Microsoft is exceptionally rare. I don't have any MS-focused sites on my regular rounds. Even links to Google-centric sites isn't very common for me. Some here don't want to believe anything Google says, so using them as the source wouldn't be very convincing would it?
No, I generally use neutral or Apple-friendly source links if they're available.
When can I get something like this for my (ground floor) apartment? I just need about 10kWh per day max. Combined with solar panels, it would be very attractive environmentally and economically.
No renewable energy source (except maybe hydro) is cheaper than a sulfur spewing coal plant. None are cheaper than an oil-fired plant. None are cheaper than a natural gas fired turbine generator.
Your best bet is to increase insulation first. That is where you get bang for your buck. Efficiency is the cheapest way to save on energy costs.
Do you have thick drapes? Do you have fresh caulk around every window? Have you weatherstripped all your doors? Put your money there first.
People love this exotic stuff. But the mundane stuff is the most effective for saving on fuel costs.
No renewable energy source (except maybe hydro) is cheaper than a sulfur spewing coal plant. None are cheaper than an oil-fired plant. None are cheaper than a natural gas fired turbine generator.
Your best bet is to increase insulation first. That is where you get bang for your buck. Efficiency is the cheapest way to save on energy costs.
Do you have thick drapes? Do you have fresh caulk around every window? Have you weatherstripped all your doors? Put your money there first.
People love this exotic stuff. But the mundane stuff is the most effective for saving on fuel costs.
Well, I'm just renting now, but the apartment complex (9 units, all ground floor) is quite intelligently designed. I've got a high ceiling for the main living area, and well insulated 1 bedroom. They also figured out all the lighting, and along with the back garden, it's pretty good. The windows are not super fantastic but they are well insulated. I have blinds instead of drapes, they work alright.
I agree it's not sexy, but we should cover those bases. Next up though is solar, which I hope will increase in affordability because once we hit a certain point it will be a no brainer.
As for natural gas, maybe not a bloom box but natural gas for water and home heating and cooking, is a much more attractive opportunity. So maybe not much point converting it to electricity with a Bloom Box for the house if we've got gas for the above. It definitely reduces the cost, at least here in Australia. Electrical water heating, home heating and cooking is unnecessarily power inneficient and expensive.
[petrol means gasoline, gas means gas]
So given a good cocktail of energy, we can make a difference. Chevy Volt recharged by solar panels during the day, petrol as the backup. Solar panels in the house with battery capactiy for anything electrical. Natural or bio gas for home heating (there are simple small heaters running on gas right now), water heating, stove and oven. Sweet. In 20 years I can't imagine this kind of stuff including more hybrids ~not~ being the norm. Along with efficiency (hey we've seen lighting and computing drop by an order of magnitude in just 10 years), I think in developed countries the path forward is quite clear. The rest of the world though, I'm really not so sure. So this is where I make my bastion.
I'm not sure I get the picture. If the fuel cells are going to run on methane from organic waste, and the fuel cells are to be located at the data center, does that mean there is (or is going to be) a garbage dump or pig shit lake near the data center? or do they capture the methane somewhere else and transport it to the fuel cells? someone with knowledge please explain.
Chances are that they'll initially run on natural gas first since the cost is historically low. Having such a large installation can allow Apple to experiment using one or two boxes with biogas, and ramp up as they feel comfortable with the cost and efficiency. Getting the actual biogas should be no trouble, as North Carolina is pig country.
Why wouldn't you use 2 FuelCell Energy 3000's from the leader in FuelCell technology?
DFC3000 (2.8 MW)
FuelCell Energy?s DFC3000® system is the largest of the DFC® power plant fleet, capable of providing high-quality baseload power up to 2.8 MW with 47% electrical efficiency. The power plant consists of six matched modular skids, and due to its innovative design, can be modified depending on the power requirements of the facility.
Joined the forums this month and have 1 post (this one). Thinly veiled marketing spam-post; reads like it was copy-pasted from a brochure.
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There's an abundance of biogas coming from Microsoft's executive suite.
As the rest of the world is busy killing each other because of artificial scarcity, and still fighting stupid racial, religious, and political battles of yesteryear, Apple is just moving on.
As is the nature of human existence, and perhaps all life in the universe. We exist as a "floating point". We (well some of us) can "perceive" incredibly small things like a quark all the way to infinite dimensions. Similarly, in the human mind/consciousness, we can perceive every second of a simple act like breathing, all the way to imagining the grandeur or the Divine.
That's why Mass Effect is really interesting. It's based on the concept that with the right "spark", humanity can achieve some pretty amazing stuff in a very short time, without losing its essence (the good parts, hopefully retained).
And perhaps that's why some of us here are like that. I don't think we're superior, or amazing, just somehow different. Maybe Science will one day quantify it, "intelligence" alone is not a measure. Being able to rise above poverty, prejudice and insular thinking... is something, I found out, quite rare in the world.
While this CAN run biogas, I suspect it will run good ol fashion natural gas. IMO, the main benefit of these local fuel cells is improved reliability from being on 'the grid'.
When can I get something like this for my (ground floor) apartment? I just need about 10kWh per day max. Combined with solar panels, it would be very attractive environmentally and economically.
Please stop putting external links in your posts. They almost always lead to MS and Google related blogs which rarely have anything to do with the quoted text or the article.
Much of what I contribute to the forum wouldn't be accepted as accurate without links. It's not unusual that what I post goes against the "everyone knows" mentality, so I better bring proof.
As for linking mostly to Google or Microsoft blogs, that would be incorrect. FOSS, Groklaw, Ars and 9to5Mac are my normal go-to sources. In fact linking to anything connected to Microsoft is exceptionally rare. I don't have any MS-focused sites on my regular rounds. Even links to Google-centric sites isn't very common for me. Some here don't want to believe anything Google says, so using them as the source wouldn't be very convincing would it?
No, I generally use neutral or Apple-friendly source links if they're available.
When can I get something like this for my (ground floor) apartment? I just need about 10kWh per day max. Combined with solar panels, it would be very attractive environmentally and economically.
Environmentally, maybe. Economically, certainly not.
No renewable energy source (except maybe hydro) is cheaper than a sulfur spewing coal plant. None are cheaper than an oil-fired plant. None are cheaper than a natural gas fired turbine generator.
Your best bet is to increase insulation first. That is where you get bang for your buck. Efficiency is the cheapest way to save on energy costs.
Do you have thick drapes? Do you have fresh caulk around every window? Have you weatherstripped all your doors? Put your money there first.
People love this exotic stuff. But the mundane stuff is the most effective for saving on fuel costs.
Environmentally, maybe. Economically, certainly not.
No renewable energy source (except maybe hydro) is cheaper than a sulfur spewing coal plant. None are cheaper than an oil-fired plant. None are cheaper than a natural gas fired turbine generator.
Your best bet is to increase insulation first. That is where you get bang for your buck. Efficiency is the cheapest way to save on energy costs.
Do you have thick drapes? Do you have fresh caulk around every window? Have you weatherstripped all your doors? Put your money there first.
People love this exotic stuff. But the mundane stuff is the most effective for saving on fuel costs.
Well, I'm just renting now, but the apartment complex (9 units, all ground floor) is quite intelligently designed. I've got a high ceiling for the main living area, and well insulated 1 bedroom. They also figured out all the lighting, and along with the back garden, it's pretty good. The windows are not super fantastic but they are well insulated. I have blinds instead of drapes, they work alright.
I agree it's not sexy, but we should cover those bases. Next up though is solar, which I hope will increase in affordability because once we hit a certain point it will be a no brainer.
As for natural gas, maybe not a bloom box but natural gas for water and home heating and cooking, is a much more attractive opportunity. So maybe not much point converting it to electricity with a Bloom Box for the house if we've got gas for the above. It definitely reduces the cost, at least here in Australia. Electrical water heating, home heating and cooking is unnecessarily power inneficient and expensive.
[petrol means gasoline, gas means gas]
So given a good cocktail of energy, we can make a difference. Chevy Volt recharged by solar panels during the day, petrol as the backup. Solar panels in the house with battery capactiy for anything electrical. Natural or bio gas for home heating (there are simple small heaters running on gas right now), water heating, stove and oven. Sweet. In 20 years I can't imagine this kind of stuff including more hybrids ~not~ being the norm. Along with efficiency (hey we've seen lighting and computing drop by an order of magnitude in just 10 years), I think in developed countries the path forward is quite clear. The rest of the world though, I'm really not so sure. So this is where I make my bastion.
I'm not sure I get the picture. If the fuel cells are going to run on methane from organic waste, and the fuel cells are to be located at the data center, does that mean there is (or is going to be) a garbage dump or pig shit lake near the data center? or do they capture the methane somewhere else and transport it to the fuel cells? someone with knowledge please explain.
Chances are that they'll initially run on natural gas first since the cost is historically low. Having such a large installation can allow Apple to experiment using one or two boxes with biogas, and ramp up as they feel comfortable with the cost and efficiency. Getting the actual biogas should be no trouble, as North Carolina is pig country.
Why wouldn't you use 2 FuelCell Energy 3000's from the leader in FuelCell technology?
DFC3000 (2.8 MW)
FuelCell Energy?s DFC3000® system is the largest of the DFC® power plant fleet, capable of providing high-quality baseload power up to 2.8 MW with 47% electrical efficiency. The power plant consists of six matched modular skids, and due to its innovative design, can be modified depending on the power requirements of the facility.
Joined the forums this month and have 1 post (this one). Thinly veiled marketing spam-post; reads like it was copy-pasted from a brochure.
My favorite part is this:
... consists of six matched modular skids