I dont feel that way about you. I hate how the GOP is pretending to act like you are a terrible president and blame all of George Bush Jr and his behavior on you. I know that the GOP is racially motivated. How sad. To take the First African American President and try to destroy him and pretend its not racial. That is what makes me so fed up with them. They are really unreasonable.
I dont feel that way about you. I hate how the GOP is pretending to act like you are a terrible president and blame all of George Bush Jr and his behavior on you. I know that the GOP is racially motivated. How sad. To take the First African American President and try to destroy him and pretend its not racial. That is what makes me so fed up with them. They are really unreasonable.
Google has no good explanation for why Android apps can grab photos and net even ask first.
They actually do have an explanation...and whether or not it's suitable is up to you...Just like all MacOSX and Windows apps currently have access to the file system upon install so do Android apps...the issue arises from the fact that Android treats itself as a computer at the end of the day whereas iOS devices recognize they are mobile devices and behave under a different set of rules...
I'm not quite sure but I think this is why in Android you can send a photo directly from the gallery into any app capable of supporting it/sharing it easily whereas in iOS IIRC you need to go into each separate app to share an image.
Either way back on topic, both systems will issue patches soon to amend these issues/perceived issues...and I do hope that for Android's sake it doesn't affect the sharability factor.
either way, these issues are overblown...as always.
Rather than getting angry at the messenger, iOS users should be expressing surprise and disappointment that their privacy details are so lightly protected when using App Store applications.
Apple has repeatedly extolled the safety of it's curated market where user's are supposedly protected from having the data on their phone or tablet stolen unlike the Wild West of their Android counterparts. Even this article at AI isn't going to tell you the extent to which any almost data on your phone ranging from your doctor appointments to the names and addresses of your children can be sent off to a private server without your knowledge much less your approval.
Most iPhone, iPad or iPod Touch users would not know this and the AI article wasn't going to tell you (from 9to5Mac):
"...the legislative body is not going to like what it hears. The problem is that iOS apps not only have access to a user’s contacts database (including addresses and notes), but apps also have full and unencumbered access to everything in the iOS app sandbox, such as pictures, music, movies, calendars, and a host of other data. Any of this content is literally open for developers to freely transmit to their own servers while apps are open. (note that pictures with geotags will pop up a Location dialog which can be averted in code with some well known tricks)"
Even Android Market users aren't exposed like this. Is their list of granted permissions a perfect solution? Plainly not, but at least an Android app user has some warnings/info before actually installing and using an app. If they don't bother to take the time to read then part of the blame is on the user. It still has to be done better tho. On the other hand Apple, in it's attempts to make the AppStore as user-friendly on the surface as possible, has avoided any similar notifications until an issue like this hits the press. Then it becomes a supposed non-issue to be "fixed with a future update".
With both Apple and Google agreeing with the State of California to be more proactive in letting users know exactly what they've agreed to share with app marketers, another investigation by a US senator is more PR than anything IMO. Apple was already pushed to make changes, moving towards the Android permissions-based model, albeit in piecemeal fashion.
In essence tho, if you have an issue with Android and the idea that data you might consider private is being stolen (real or imagined) when you download apps, how could you possibly not be even more concerned to find that an Apple you complete trust really has little idea just what an app is doing, and shows little concern on finding out unless it makes the news. What's protecting your data? A few lines in a developer agreement telling app marketers they're not allowed to do what they're obviously doing. Was Facebook or Gowalla pulled for violating the agreement? They also take contact info without telling you, as do games like Cut the Rope and Angry Birds.
Each of us has his own idea on privacy and what we're willing to share to get value in return. . . but that should be our decision.
So this isn't just about a few pictures. Every appointment, important date, relative's address and phone, every note you've added on every friend or business associate, misc. assorted data you consider private, even location info with an easy developer workaround, can be collected and off-loaded to remote servers with absolutely no implied permission from you when you use an app on your iPhone. If you've been advised and choose to use an app anyway then at least part of the responsibility is yours. Keeping you from having any idea what an app is doing in the background while leading users to believe they have nothing to be concerned about should be troubling.
Of course I still expect the messenger to be shot.
He's right. I wonder what the result of the inquiry will be.
I don't know, but what they will do is ask the civil servants who actually do understand a thing or two, and they will get up some witnesses for a hearing.
I doubt this will produce anything but a wag of the finger at Apple and Google.
But hey, this is Congress's job, to oversee things like this. And something people are forgetting is that Senators only say things like this when constituents (a few of them) are concerned.
This is the beginning of a Government Law Suit. Some day and it's coming the Government will see Apple the same way they saw Microsloft and call for an anti trust law suit. You watch. This is just the beginning.
With maybe 10% of the US computer market, 25% of the smartphone market (the profitable 25%), they can't be found to be a monopoly. Maybe "unfair business practices." Like, they do everything so well -- okay, not Mobile Me -- that it's not fair!!
Interesting story published on a website that has no less than 12 tracking cookies.
I have to agree with you, why does AI feel the need to have 12 ad networks attached to their pages? With all this recent storm over privacy, you'd think AI would take action before someone noticed. \
I don't know, but what they will do is ask the civil servants who actually do understand a thing or two, and they will get up some witnesses for a hearing.
I doubt this will produce anything but a wag of the finger at Apple and Google.
But hey, this is Congress's job, to oversee things like this. And something people are forgetting is that Senators only say things like this when constituents (a few of them) are concerned.
I want to like Chuck, but at a time when job creation should be at the top of the agenda we have Senators arguing over loop holes in code that Apple will fix with an update. I feel like sometimes this privacy stuff is more of a witch hunt for congress than anything else. I understand privacy is important but job creation is far and away more important. It makes no sense to waste the precious resources time and money on this when it's pretty obvious that these companies are quick to resolve these privacy issues once they find out about them.
I have to agree with you, why does AI feel the need to have 12 ad networks attached to their pages? With all this recent storm over privacy, you'd think AI would take action before someone noticed. \
Please, this site doesn't pay for itself. People have to be able to stay in business. Ads help them to do that.
Please, this site doesn't pay for itself. People have to be able to stay in business. Ads help them to do that.
But 12? MacRumors has three, even Ars Technica has half what this site has, and they get plenty more visitors for sure. Just seems AI is being a tad hypocritical.
I dont feel that way about you. I hate how the GOP is pretending to act like you are a terrible president and blame all of George Bush Jr and his behavior on you. I know that the GOP is racially motivated. How sad. To take the First African American President and try to destroy him and pretend its not racial. That is what makes me so fed up with them. They are really unreasonable.
Shame on you for playing the race card, apropos nothing. The two parties have been at each other's throats since their creation. Republicans aren't treating Obama any worse than they treated Bill, and no worse than they'd have treated Hillary, and certainly no worse than Republicans treated Bush. But because Obama isn't white, he should be spared the process? Please stop that. Obama has already enjoyed the shelter of blaming the man before longer than any president I've seen. And I've seen Bush Jr, Bill, Bush Sr, Reagan, Carter, Ford *and* Nixon. (And almost Al Haig. Whatever did happen to that man?) Sometimes you've just gotta put on your big boy pants and cope.
I have to agree with you, why does AI feel the need to have 12 ad networks attached to their pages? With all this recent storm over privacy, you'd think AI would take action before someone noticed. \
Nobody has failed to notice if they have been paying attention.
They have 12 ad networks because that way, they can sell you (the product) to 12 paying customers.
I want to like Chuck, but at a time when job creation should be at the top of the agenda we have Senators arguing over loop holes in code that Apple will fix with an update. I feel like sometimes this privacy stuff is more of a witch hunt for congress than anything else. I understand privacy is important but job creation is far and away more important. It makes no sense to waste the precious resources time and money on this when it's pretty obvious that these companies are quick to resolve these privacy issues once they find out about them.
You seem to assume that the Senate can only do one thing at a time, or maybe, that it would be best if they only did one thing at a time.
Guess what? They are working on many different things, all at once.
Rather than getting angry at the messenger, iOS users should be expressing surprise and disappointment that their privacy details are so lightly protected when using App Store applications. ...
What a bunch of nonsensical propaganda. Oh, yes, Android users' privacy is so much better protected.
It's hard to tell if the thread has been overrun by trolls or fools.
Who the fuck cares what his motives are if it results in something positive. What the hell are your motives for attacking anyone who lifts a finger in defense of privacy?
You seem to assume that the Senate can only do one thing at a time, or maybe, that it would be best if they only did one thing at a time.
Guess what? They are working on many different things, all at once.
You're absolutely right. They're working on their golf games, their stock portfolios, they're working on another 10AM martini...
All the nonsense in this thread is missing one major point - the US government has NO PLACE trying to interfere in this. No place suggesting they should be legislating this. No place spending tax dollars on this. Regardless of how many things they are or are not doing, this should not be one of them. Period.
And let's read this again: They're investigating Apple & Google because THIRD PARTY software is doing something it shouldn't be. If anything, it's the application developers that need to be investigated for violations of privacy law. It's not Apple, not Google, not Samsung, Nokia or any other hardware (and/or mobile OS) vendor that's doing this (except in the cases where they are - and then they should be taken to task).
This is a bad politician making a lazy attack on high profile targets for press coverage. He's saying: "I won't do the hard work in tracking down and investigating all the software developers that are actually doing the bad deeds, I'll just try to publicly shame a few major companies into doing my jobs for me - but I'll take the credit, no worries there."
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I hope you don't feel this way about me!
I dont feel that way about you. I hate how the GOP is pretending to act like you are a terrible president and blame all of George Bush Jr and his behavior on you. I know that the GOP is racially motivated. How sad. To take the First African American President and try to destroy him and pretend its not racial. That is what makes me so fed up with them. They are really unreasonable.
I hope you don't feel this way about me!
I dont feel that way about you. I hate how the GOP is pretending to act like you are a terrible president and blame all of George Bush Jr and his behavior on you. I know that the GOP is racially motivated. How sad. To take the First African American President and try to destroy him and pretend its not racial. That is what makes me so fed up with them. They are really unreasonable.
How sad.
Actually Android doesn't even have a dialog that allows an app to grab your photos, it just does it because it can.
Read it and learn:
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/0...ndroid-photos/
and
http://gigaom.com/mobile/why-google-...image-problem/
Google has no good explanation for why Android apps can grab photos and net even ask first.
They actually do have an explanation...and whether or not it's suitable is up to you...Just like all MacOSX and Windows apps currently have access to the file system upon install so do Android apps...the issue arises from the fact that Android treats itself as a computer at the end of the day whereas iOS devices recognize they are mobile devices and behave under a different set of rules...
I'm not quite sure but I think this is why in Android you can send a photo directly from the gallery into any app capable of supporting it/sharing it easily whereas in iOS IIRC you need to go into each separate app to share an image.
Either way back on topic, both systems will issue patches soon to amend these issues/perceived issues...and I do hope that for Android's sake it doesn't affect the sharability factor.
either way, these issues are overblown...as always.
Apple has repeatedly extolled the safety of it's curated market where user's are supposedly protected from having the data on their phone or tablet stolen unlike the Wild West of their Android counterparts. Even this article at AI isn't going to tell you the extent to which any almost data on your phone ranging from your doctor appointments to the names and addresses of your children can be sent off to a private server without your knowledge much less your approval.
Most iPhone, iPad or iPod Touch users would not know this and the AI article wasn't going to tell you (from 9to5Mac):
"...the legislative body is not going to like what it hears. The problem is that iOS apps not only have access to a user’s contacts database (including addresses and notes), but apps also have full and unencumbered access to everything in the iOS app sandbox, such as pictures, music, movies, calendars, and a host of other data. Any of this content is literally open for developers to freely transmit to their own servers while apps are open. (note that pictures with geotags will pop up a Location dialog which can be averted in code with some well known tricks)"
Even Android Market users aren't exposed like this. Is their list of granted permissions a perfect solution? Plainly not, but at least an Android app user has some warnings/info before actually installing and using an app. If they don't bother to take the time to read then part of the blame is on the user. It still has to be done better tho. On the other hand Apple, in it's attempts to make the AppStore as user-friendly on the surface as possible, has avoided any similar notifications until an issue like this hits the press. Then it becomes a supposed non-issue to be "fixed with a future update".
With both Apple and Google agreeing with the State of California to be more proactive in letting users know exactly what they've agreed to share with app marketers, another investigation by a US senator is more PR than anything IMO. Apple was already pushed to make changes, moving towards the Android permissions-based model, albeit in piecemeal fashion.
In essence tho, if you have an issue with Android and the idea that data you might consider private is being stolen (real or imagined) when you download apps, how could you possibly not be even more concerned to find that an Apple you complete trust really has little idea just what an app is doing, and shows little concern on finding out unless it makes the news. What's protecting your data? A few lines in a developer agreement telling app marketers they're not allowed to do what they're obviously doing. Was Facebook or Gowalla pulled for violating the agreement? They also take contact info without telling you, as do games like Cut the Rope and Angry Birds.
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/20...n-security.ars
Each of us has his own idea on privacy and what we're willing to share to get value in return. . . but that should be our decision.
So this isn't just about a few pictures. Every appointment, important date, relative's address and phone, every note you've added on every friend or business associate, misc. assorted data you consider private, even location info with an easy developer workaround, can be collected and off-loaded to remote servers with absolutely no implied permission from you when you use an app on your iPhone. If you've been advised and choose to use an app anyway then at least part of the responsibility is yours. Keeping you from having any idea what an app is doing in the background while leading users to believe they have nothing to be concerned about should be troubling.
Of course I still expect the messenger to be shot.
He's right. I wonder what the result of the inquiry will be.
I don't know, but what they will do is ask the civil servants who actually do understand a thing or two, and they will get up some witnesses for a hearing.
I doubt this will produce anything but a wag of the finger at Apple and Google.
But hey, this is Congress's job, to oversee things like this. And something people are forgetting is that Senators only say things like this when constituents (a few of them) are concerned.
This is the beginning of a Government Law Suit. Some day and it's coming the Government will see Apple the same way they saw Microsloft and call for an anti trust law suit. You watch. This is just the beginning.
With maybe 10% of the US computer market, 25% of the smartphone market (the profitable 25%), they can't be found to be a monopoly. Maybe "unfair business practices." Like, they do everything so well -- okay, not Mobile Me -- that it's not fair!!
Interesting story published on a website that has no less than 12 tracking cookies.
I have to agree with you, why does AI feel the need to have 12 ad networks attached to their pages? With all this recent storm over privacy, you'd think AI would take action before someone noticed.
I don't know, but what they will do is ask the civil servants who actually do understand a thing or two, and they will get up some witnesses for a hearing.
I doubt this will produce anything but a wag of the finger at Apple and Google.
But hey, this is Congress's job, to oversee things like this. And something people are forgetting is that Senators only say things like this when constituents (a few of them) are concerned.
I want to like Chuck, but at a time when job creation should be at the top of the agenda we have Senators arguing over loop holes in code that Apple will fix with an update. I feel like sometimes this privacy stuff is more of a witch hunt for congress than anything else. I understand privacy is important but job creation is far and away more important. It makes no sense to waste the precious resources time and money on this when it's pretty obvious that these companies are quick to resolve these privacy issues once they find out about them.
I have to agree with you, why does AI feel the need to have 12 ad networks attached to their pages? With all this recent storm over privacy, you'd think AI would take action before someone noticed.
Please, this site doesn't pay for itself. People have to be able to stay in business. Ads help them to do that.
Please, this site doesn't pay for itself. People have to be able to stay in business. Ads help them to do that.
But 12? MacRumors has three, even Ars Technica has half what this site has, and they get plenty more visitors for sure. Just seems AI is being a tad hypocritical.
I dont feel that way about you. I hate how the GOP is pretending to act like you are a terrible president and blame all of George Bush Jr and his behavior on you. I know that the GOP is racially motivated. How sad. To take the First African American President and try to destroy him and pretend its not racial. That is what makes me so fed up with them. They are really unreasonable.
Shame on you for playing the race card, apropos nothing. The two parties have been at each other's throats since their creation. Republicans aren't treating Obama any worse than they treated Bill, and no worse than they'd have treated Hillary, and certainly no worse than Republicans treated Bush. But because Obama isn't white, he should be spared the process? Please stop that. Obama has already enjoyed the shelter of blaming the man before longer than any president I've seen. And I've seen Bush Jr, Bill, Bush Sr, Reagan, Carter, Ford *and* Nixon. (And almost Al Haig. Whatever did happen to that man?) Sometimes you've just gotta put on your big boy pants and cope.
I have to agree with you, why does AI feel the need to have 12 ad networks attached to their pages? With all this recent storm over privacy, you'd think AI would take action before someone noticed.
Nobody has failed to notice if they have been paying attention.
They have 12 ad networks because that way, they can sell you (the product) to 12 paying customers.
I want to like Chuck, but at a time when job creation should be at the top of the agenda we have Senators arguing over loop holes in code that Apple will fix with an update. I feel like sometimes this privacy stuff is more of a witch hunt for congress than anything else. I understand privacy is important but job creation is far and away more important. It makes no sense to waste the precious resources time and money on this when it's pretty obvious that these companies are quick to resolve these privacy issues once they find out about them.
You seem to assume that the Senate can only do one thing at a time, or maybe, that it would be best if they only did one thing at a time.
Guess what? They are working on many different things, all at once.
Rather than getting angry at the messenger, iOS users should be expressing surprise and disappointment that their privacy details are so lightly protected when using App Store applications. ...
What a bunch of nonsensical propaganda. Oh, yes, Android users' privacy is so much better protected.
Who the fuck cares what his motives are if it results in something positive. What the hell are your motives for attacking anyone who lifts a finger in defense of privacy?
You seem to assume that the Senate can only do one thing at a time, or maybe, that it would be best if they only did one thing at a time.
Guess what? They are working on many different things, all at once.
You're absolutely right. They're working on their golf games, their stock portfolios, they're working on another 10AM martini...
All the nonsense in this thread is missing one major point - the US government has NO PLACE trying to interfere in this. No place suggesting they should be legislating this. No place spending tax dollars on this. Regardless of how many things they are or are not doing, this should not be one of them. Period.
And let's read this again: They're investigating Apple & Google because THIRD PARTY software is doing something it shouldn't be. If anything, it's the application developers that need to be investigated for violations of privacy law. It's not Apple, not Google, not Samsung, Nokia or any other hardware (and/or mobile OS) vendor that's doing this (except in the cases where they are - and then they should be taken to task).
This is a bad politician making a lazy attack on high profile targets for press coverage. He's saying: "I won't do the hard work in tracking down and investigating all the software developers that are actually doing the bad deeds, I'll just try to publicly shame a few major companies into doing my jobs for me - but I'll take the credit, no worries there."
Who the fuck cares what his motives are if it results in something positive.
That's about as far from the right kind of question as it could possibly be.
Actually Android doesn't even have a dialog that allows an app to grab your photos, it just does it because it can.
Read it and learn:
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/0...ndroid-photos/
and
http://gigaom.com/mobile/why-google-...image-problem/
Google has no good explanation for why Android apps can grab photos and net even ask first.
Because its just like a windows PC, where photos are files and they all naturally available to any program/app.