it would make sense that ipad3 includes LTE, though might be in small portion of deployment of ipad3. so apple could pilot testing Qualcomm LTE chipset well before iPhone LTE comes in fall.
I guess that could be it. However, to me it seems weird that a LTE iPad would be available in March but Apple would make it customers wait 6 months for a LTE phone?
I am going to go out on a limb and say that if the iPad 3 has LTE (4G, whatever) and is available almost immediately, that a LTE iPhone won't be more than 3 months behind.
Yet another report surfaced on Monday to join the chorus of others who have indicated that Apple plans to add a high-speed 4G LTE wireless radio to its third-generation iPad.
LTE sucks batteries dry.
Hardly nobody can even use it.
LTE makes you exceed data caps in no time flat.
Why would Apple ruin the User Experience with LTE?
I will be very surprise if the 4g LTE ipad on both verizon and AT&T will be available at launch. I expect it to come later than the wifi version and IMHO there is still a big chance the ipad 3 is not LTE. I REALLY want LTE but Apple could wait for iphone 5...
Not interested in anything but the wi-fi model unless the AT&T CEO comes out on stage and announces we can finally start sharing our monthly data block amongst both our iPhone and iPad. If I'm buying 3GB of data per month, I shouldn't have to buy a second block of data for another device.
I guess that could be it. However, to me it seems weird that a LTE iPad would be available in March but Apple would make it customers wait 6 months for a LTE phone?
I am going to go out on a limb and say that if the iPad 3 has LTE (4G, whatever) and is available almost immediately, that a LTE iPhone won't be more than 3 months behind.
-kpluck
Difference here being you only need the cellular chips for certain models of the iPad whereas you'd need one in every iPhone.
Not interested in anything but the wi-fi model unless the AT&T CEO comes out on stage and announces we can finally start sharing our monthly data block amongst both our iPhone and iPad. If I'm buying 3GB of data per month, I shouldn't have to buy a second block of data for another device.
I'm on board with data sharing (as well as rollover data) but I would expect AT&T to charge for that "convenience" with a straight up fee or require a large data package like with a family plan.
I'm on board with data sharing (as well as rollover data) but I would expect AT&T to charge for that "convenience" with a straight up fee or require a large data package like with a family plan.
I've read the plan for Verizon and ATT will be along the lines of
Step 1
Buy a block of data say $60 for $50.
Step 2
Each device you want to share this pool will cost roughly $10 a month.
How exactly does LTE make one exceed their data cap?
You should have ignored that one. It wasn't a serious post.
Not only does a 28nm LTE chip have the potential to reduce battery consumption the prevailing thought about faster baseband technologies is that you want data to come down quickly so that the radio can stop transmitting and go back to a low power mode.
LTE, in areas with adequate LTE coverage, can actually save battery life as opposed to 3G
A few weeks ago was too late, at that time iPad 3s were already being manufactured or do you think they can make several million iPads available overnight?
Or perhaps the manufacturer made a few million chips for Apple before they announced availability? It has happened before (Intel Xeon chips for one model of Mac Pro).
I think I will just buy a Clear Internet device for my new iPad. It's 4G, it's unlimited and it's exactly $50 a month.
I already have one at home and I love it!
On previous iPads you only got GPS with the cellular model so if you wanted GPS, you could opt out of the onboard 3G and use a tethered solution like you suggest instead. Not sure if it will be the same situation with 4G if/when we get it, but I have a good feeling that it LTE will arrive with iPad 3. In fact I would be delighted if it came standard since they need to support CDMA and 3G anyway. Just go ahead and make it universal!
You should have ignored that one. It wasn't a serious post.
Not only does a 28nm LTE chip have the potential to reduce battery consumption the prevailing thought about faster baseband technologies is that you want data to come down quickly so that the radio can stop transmitting and go back to a low power mode.
LTE, in areas with adequate LTE coverage, can actually save battery life as opposed to 3G
Oh I know his posts are rarely serious, I wanted to hear his asinine reasoning.
A few weeks ago was too late, at that time iPad 3s were already being manufactured or do you think they can make several million iPads available overnight?
Depends on what "a few weeks ago" refers to. A design being finalized? Then it could be more than a year before it'll be in devices. Getting production going at full tilt or being able to distribute outside their Apple contract? Then it's possible.
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Originally Posted by kpluck
I guess that could be it. However, to me it seems weird that a LTE iPad would be available in March but Apple would make it customers wait 6 months for a LTE phone?
I am going to go out on a limb and say that if the iPad 3 has LTE (4G, whatever) and is available almost immediately, that a LTE iPhone won't be more than 3 months behind.
The 6 months delay and wanting wanting certain features/tech to be showcasing on the iPhone is one reason I think LTE might not come with the iPad HD.
I don't think an iPhone in 3 months in doable. We haven't even seen iOS 6 with devs getting the SDK so they can have apps ready.
We haven't even seen iOS 6 with devs getting the SDK so they can have apps ready.
Apple doesn't trust the devs. If there is some kick ass stuff in there they will only test it internally or perhaps with a handful of trusted partners like a few game makers. Remember they didn't give us any Siri testing at all before it was released. Of course we didn't have the hardware but they also stripped it from the SDK and betas.
I've read the plan for Verizon and ATT will be along the lines of
Step 1
Buy a block of data say $60 for $50.
Step 2
Each device you want to share this pool will cost roughly $10 a month.
Step 3
There is no step 3
I like it but isn't that too simple and straight forward for the telcos? They might get confused by it not being confusing.
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Originally Posted by hmurchison
Not only does a 28nm LTE chip have the potential to reduce battery consumption the prevailing thought about faster baseband technologies is that you want data to come down quickly so that the radio can stop transmitting and go back to a low power mode.
LTE, in areas with adequate LTE coverage, can actually save battery life as opposed to 3G
The iPad on '3G' gets 9 hours of data usage. I would expect the 28nm LTE to get about 6-7 hours of data on ''4G'. However, if they are increasing the battery capacity this tech could get some overflow of that gain so LTE could last even longer, right?
PS: I'm still thinking it's less than 50% chance given the focus they like to put on the iPhone and that the display on the iPad could be the biggest focus but it's certainly feasible.
Faster load times allow more content to pass through in a smaller amount of time, leaving more time for further content to load.
But we as humans still have to process that content at our speed, meaning if it takes a book 5 mins to download instead of 15 minutes, its still going to take me the same time to read said book regardless of how fast I was able to download it.
But last, the new chip is probably the same price or slightly cheaper than the former parts.
At this point it's hard to make a viable argument for not putting LTE in.
Apple can vet the chip in ways that it can't in-house allowing for more firmware bugs to be removed thus creating less issues for the 6th gen iPhone.
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Originally Posted by dasanman69
But we as humans still have to process that content at our speed, meaning if it takes a book 5 mins to download instead of 15 minutes, its still going to take me the same time to read said book regardless of how fast I was able to download it.
It's really only an issue for higher content loads. While it will take years for websites to pile in more code to be rendered on a webpage we could see videos that are streamed in HD appear much faster because the iPad can showcase it. If a site auto-detects and sets to 1080p for the iPad HD that could cause longer buffering and larger data usage. That's probably the worst scenario I can think of for something happening immediately.
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it would make sense that ipad3 includes LTE, though might be in small portion of deployment of ipad3. so apple could pilot testing Qualcomm LTE chipset well before iPhone LTE comes in fall.
I guess that could be it. However, to me it seems weird that a LTE iPad would be available in March but Apple would make it customers wait 6 months for a LTE phone?
I am going to go out on a limb and say that if the iPad 3 has LTE (4G, whatever) and is available almost immediately, that a LTE iPhone won't be more than 3 months behind.
-kpluck
Yet another report surfaced on Monday to join the chorus of others who have indicated that Apple plans to add a high-speed 4G LTE wireless radio to its third-generation iPad.
LTE sucks batteries dry.
Hardly nobody can even use it.
LTE makes you exceed data caps in no time flat.
Why would Apple ruin the User Experience with LTE?
LMAO!! I almost spit out my Mountain Dew all over my iMac reading that!!
OLOOLOL!!!111
I spit my corn flakes all over my keyboard!
I guess that could be it. However, to me it seems weird that a LTE iPad would be available in March but Apple would make it customers wait 6 months for a LTE phone?
I am going to go out on a limb and say that if the iPad 3 has LTE (4G, whatever) and is available almost immediately, that a LTE iPhone won't be more than 3 months behind.
-kpluck
Difference here being you only need the cellular chips for certain models of the iPad whereas you'd need one in every iPhone.
Not interested in anything but the wi-fi model unless the AT&T CEO comes out on stage and announces we can finally start sharing our monthly data block amongst both our iPhone and iPad. If I'm buying 3GB of data per month, I shouldn't have to buy a second block of data for another device.
I'm on board with data sharing (as well as rollover data) but I would expect AT&T to charge for that "convenience" with a straight up fee or require a large data package like with a family plan.
LTE sucks batteries dry.
Hardly nobody can even use it.
LTE makes you exceed data caps in no time flat.
Why would Apple ruin the User Experience with LTE?
How exactly does LTE make one exceed their data cap?
I'm on board with data sharing (as well as rollover data) but I would expect AT&T to charge for that "convenience" with a straight up fee or require a large data package like with a family plan.
I've read the plan for Verizon and ATT will be along the lines of
Step 1
Buy a block of data say $60 for $50.
Step 2
Each device you want to share this pool will cost roughly $10 a month.
Step 3
There is no step 3
How exactly does LTE make one exceed their data cap?
You should have ignored that one. It wasn't a serious post.
Not only does a 28nm LTE chip have the potential to reduce battery consumption the prevailing thought about faster baseband technologies is that you want data to come down quickly so that the radio can stop transmitting and go back to a low power mode.
LTE, in areas with adequate LTE coverage, can actually save battery life as opposed to 3G
How exactly does LTE make one exceed their data cap?
Faster load times allow more content to pass through in a smaller amount of time, leaving more time for further content to load.
A few weeks ago was too late, at that time iPad 3s were already being manufactured or do you think they can make several million iPads available overnight?
Or perhaps the manufacturer made a few million chips for Apple before they announced availability? It has happened before (Intel Xeon chips for one model of Mac Pro).
I think I will just buy a Clear Internet device for my new iPad. It's 4G, it's unlimited and it's exactly $50 a month.
I already have one at home and I love it!
On previous iPads you only got GPS with the cellular model so if you wanted GPS, you could opt out of the onboard 3G and use a tethered solution like you suggest instead. Not sure if it will be the same situation with 4G if/when we get it, but I have a good feeling that it LTE will arrive with iPad 3. In fact I would be delighted if it came standard since they need to support CDMA and 3G anyway. Just go ahead and make it universal!
You should have ignored that one. It wasn't a serious post.
Not only does a 28nm LTE chip have the potential to reduce battery consumption the prevailing thought about faster baseband technologies is that you want data to come down quickly so that the radio can stop transmitting and go back to a low power mode.
LTE, in areas with adequate LTE coverage, can actually save battery life as opposed to 3G
Oh I know his posts are rarely serious, I wanted to hear his asinine reasoning.
A few weeks ago was too late, at that time iPad 3s were already being manufactured or do you think they can make several million iPads available overnight?
Depends on what "a few weeks ago" refers to. A design being finalized? Then it could be more than a year before it'll be in devices. Getting production going at full tilt or being able to distribute outside their Apple contract? Then it's possible.
I guess that could be it. However, to me it seems weird that a LTE iPad would be available in March but Apple would make it customers wait 6 months for a LTE phone?
I am going to go out on a limb and say that if the iPad 3 has LTE (4G, whatever) and is available almost immediately, that a LTE iPhone won't be more than 3 months behind.
The 6 months delay and wanting wanting certain features/tech to be showcasing on the iPhone is one reason I think LTE might not come with the iPad HD.
I don't think an iPhone in 3 months in doable. We haven't even seen iOS 6 with devs getting the SDK so they can have apps ready.
We haven't even seen iOS 6 with devs getting the SDK so they can have apps ready.
Apple doesn't trust the devs. If there is some kick ass stuff in there they will only test it internally or perhaps with a handful of trusted partners like a few game makers. Remember they didn't give us any Siri testing at all before it was released. Of course we didn't have the hardware but they also stripped it from the SDK and betas.
I've read the plan for Verizon and ATT will be along the lines of
Step 1
Buy a block of data say $60 for $50.
Step 2
Each device you want to share this pool will cost roughly $10 a month.
Step 3
There is no step 3
I like it but isn't that too simple and straight forward for the telcos? They might get confused by it not being confusing.
Not only does a 28nm LTE chip have the potential to reduce battery consumption the prevailing thought about faster baseband technologies is that you want data to come down quickly so that the radio can stop transmitting and go back to a low power mode.
LTE, in areas with adequate LTE coverage, can actually save battery life as opposed to 3G
The iPad on '3G' gets 9 hours of data usage. I would expect the 28nm LTE to get about 6-7 hours of data on ''4G'. However, if they are increasing the battery capacity this tech could get some overflow of that gain so LTE could last even longer, right?
PS: I'm still thinking it's less than 50% chance given the focus they like to put on the iPhone and that the display on the iPad could be the biggest focus but it's certainly feasible.
28nm means lower power consumption
MDM96xx means wide support in the chip
But last, the new chip is probably the same price or slightly cheaper than the former parts.
At this point it's hard to make a viable argument for not putting LTE in.
Faster load times allow more content to pass through in a smaller amount of time, leaving more time for further content to load.
But we as humans still have to process that content at our speed, meaning if it takes a book 5 mins to download instead of 15 minutes, its still going to take me the same time to read said book regardless of how fast I was able to download it.
I'm thinking 80% chance.
28nm means lower power consumption
MDM96xx means wide support in the chip
But last, the new chip is probably the same price or slightly cheaper than the former parts.
At this point it's hard to make a viable argument for not putting LTE in.
But we as humans still have to process that content at our speed, meaning if it takes a book 5 mins to download instead of 15 minutes, its still going to take me the same time to read said book regardless of how fast I was able to download it.
It's really only an issue for higher content loads. While it will take years for websites to pile in more code to be rendered on a webpage we could see videos that are streamed in HD appear much faster because the iPad can showcase it. If a site auto-detects and sets to 1080p for the iPad HD that could cause longer buffering and larger data usage. That's probably the worst scenario I can think of for something happening immediately.