I think there won't be a Pro version anymore. I think the 15" MacBook will have the following:
64GB SSD for the O/S
500GB microdrive for applications and files
No optical disk
Thunderbolt
USB 3.0 (50% chance it could still be USB 2.0 which would suck. Depends if Apple thinks USB 3.0 will cannibalize Thunderbolt or not)
Wifi ac (Apple will be first to market with this 3x speed upgrade from Wifi n)
The powerbrick will have the following features:
1. Gigabit ethernet port.
2. Thunderbolt cable with integrated power and gigabit ethernet (over thunderbolt) from the power brick to a magsafe connector on the MacBook. This will be a specific custom cable but that's ok for this application.
3. Separate Thunderbolt connector on the power brick to connect one or more CinemaDisplay monitors.
The above powerbrick option will let a person connect one magsafe connector to charge the MacBook, give you gigabit ethernet over thunderbolt, and connect CinemaDisplay(s), all over one cable connection. Keeping it simple is the Apple way.
I think there won't be a Pro version anymore. I think the 15" MacBook will have the following:
64GB SSD for the O/S
500GB microdrive for applications and files
No optical disk
Thunderbolt
USB 3.0 (50% chance it could still be USB 2.0 which would suck)
Wifi ac (Apple will be first to market with this 3x speed upgrade from Wifi n)
The powerbrick will have the following features:
1. Gigabit ethernet port.
2. Thunderbolt cable with integrated power and gigabit ethernet (over thunderbolt) from the power brick to a magsafe connector on the MacBook. This will be a specific custom cable but that's ok for this application.
3. Separate Thunderbolt connector on the power brick to connect a CinemaDisplay monitor.
The above powerbrick option will let a person connect one magsafe connector to charge the MacBook, give you gigabit ethernet over thunderbolt, and connect a CinemaDisplay, all over one cable connection. Keeping in simple is the Apple way.
Throw in Retina and it's sold so far as I am concerned.
No, that's baloney. The Air at it's widest has more than enough room to accommodate it. They could stick it on the back where I've seen numerous other laptops put them.
How would you then open up the lid?. With the screen up it covers the entire back panel.
This design is very elegant. I cannot see them dropping it in a month of sundays?
Who knows? Maybe all these nebulous rumors were triggered when some leaker saw the enclosure for the new 15" MacBook Pro. Thinner, like the MacBook Air. More tapered, like the MacBook Air. No optical drive, like the MacBook Air. None of those changes should surprise anyone in the slightest.
Remember, way back in January 2008, when the first MacBook Air was announced? Steve Jobs pulled one out of that manila envelope and said "We think it's the future of notebooks." The tag line for MacBook Air ads was "The future of notebooks." Well it's been more than four years since then. That particular future is now.
The air is the future... post pc era..... blah blah..
They say this stuff because it sounds cool. These rumors are nothing more than bloggers trying to pick a winner. You really don't need credible information when the rumor already plays into popular opinion.
There area couple convenience issues with that idea but the biggest problem is the ability to transport. There have been a couple machines that did just that but they take the ethernet and convert to WiFi so it's even slower than using a USB dongle for 100BASE-T. The only feasible way around this is to use and optical cable for data in the power cable. So we're talking LightPeak that isn't even on the market, but then you'll need a controller in the power supply to convert to copper ethernet which I don't think warrants the cost in and of itself.
If they do go the optical route and it is pricey, maybe that coincides with the merging of the lines? Buy a Macbook and it comes with a standard power brick and no onboard ethernet port. But they also sell an optional "Pro" power supply/port. Found the original article that mentioned the patent:
Or they could offer a dual-drive system that uses both the SSD card found in the MBAs and a 2.5" SSD/HDD drive
I first thought that this would have been a great compromise, giving people a nice way to make a dual drive MacBook Pro. A lot of people like having that 750 to 1000 GB hard disk in their laptop. But I think the spinning Hard Disk is no longer appropriate for a portables.
I want Apple to blow us away with a completely solid state MacBook Pro. Putting in slots for two or three "MBA" style SSDs and then update Disk Utility so that you could create a RAID array across the drives. That would offer more capacity and/or better performance and/or maybe a little data redundancy. Larger disk-based storage devices could be accessed via the Thunderbolt Port, a USB 3.0 port, Ethernet Port, or the new wireless AirPort (802.11ac). That's a nice variety of connectivity options...
I may take a lot of flak for saying this, but the 2.5" drive form factor is a waste of space. That space would better be used to beef up the battery. The bigger battery can drive a brighter display, with more pixels (retina), and better graphics chip, all the while delivering more hours of happy usage.
Apple didn't merge the Mac Mini, iMac and Mac Pro products into a single product line and I don't see any reason why they'd do it with laptops.
I couldn't disagree more. It makes perfect sense to have one name for the entire line: Macbook.
Really, why have two Macbook Air models 11" and 13" and two Macbook Pro models 15" and 17". They could call the 11" an Air, but why differentiate when they are all going to be Air-like slim according to the proposed rumors? Calling the larger, but aesthetically identical, laptops "Pro" seems superfluous.
I first thought that this would have been a great compromise, giving people a nice way to make a dual drive MacBook Pro. A lot of people like having that 750 to 1000 GB hard disk in their laptop. But I think the spinning Hard Disk is no longer appropriate for a portables.
I want Apple to blow us away with a completely solid state MacBook Pro. Putting in slots for two or three "MBA" style SSDs and then update Disk Utility so that you could create a RAID array across the drives. That would offer more capacity and/or better performance and/or maybe a little data redundancy. Larger disk-based storage devices could be accessed via the Thunderbolt Port, a USB 3.0 port, Ethernet Port, or the new wireless AirPort (802.11ac). That's a nice variety of connectivity options...
I may take a lot of flak for saying this, but the 2.5" drive form factor is a waste of space. That space would better be used to beef up the battery. The bigger battery can drive a brighter display, with more pixels (retina), and better graphics chip, all the while delivering more hours of happy usage.
They may go that route if they deem that internal storage isn't the most important aspect for a pro notebook. I'm thinking it still has its merits and selling points which is why I don't think the 2.5" drive can die quite yet.
It's a couple years now (maybe three) that I removed my ODD and replaced it with an OptiBay so I can place a HDD in that space. I then added a 2nd gen Intel X25 80GB SSD where the standard drive goes. Then in OS X System Preferences under Users I rerouted the entire HDD to become my user partition. This gives me the unique ability to have my system boot in under 10 seconds, wake from sleep in under 2 seconds, and launch pretty much every app instantly all while getting a substantial amount of storage. I now have a 1TB 9.5mm HDD for my user folder. It's the best of both world for me.
Right now, the ODD is a 13.7mm drive which allows one to use a 13.5mm thick HDD in the standard HDD bay. For Apple to waste less space while cost to GB go down slowly over the next few years they could use a 9.5mm max drive. Or, they could even go with a 7mm single platter drive. I think you can get about 500GB from them now, which may still be too small for many pro users.
Regardless, I hope they do offer a fast boot system with a lot of storage at a good price. Outside of that I don't care how they do it even though my criteria do limit the possibilities.
I actually prefer all ports in the back so the cables are not sticking out the side where you are likely to have a book, papers, a mouse, a cup of coffee etc.
Me too, like my old Pismo.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
Won't happen so long as they use their current hinge design. I see no evidence that they would move from this hinge design.
Ah, good point.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
Really? I've been using my 17" MBP since 2006 and haven't found it to be too much to 'lug around'. Sure, it's a big computer, but unless you're incredibly weak, a 6 pound computer instead of a 3 pound computer shouldn't make THAT much of a difference.
Would I like it to be lighter? Sure. But I wouldn't claim that it's not usable because of the size.
When I first got my 17' (July '09), I lugged it wherever I went. It was heavy, but compared to other 15 and 17 inchers, very luggable. Now that I've stopped carrying it except when I really need to, however, it does feel very heavy.
But I love the real estate of the 17", I don't think I could go smaller.
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One person familiar with the new MacBook Pro designs said "they're all going to look like MacBook Airs."
ghostface, I feel your pain regarding vendors, but respectfully the hassle of getting them up to speed or switching vendors pales in comparison to the time you spend writing and labeling media.
It was borderline in maybe 2010 but in 2012 GoogleDocs and Dropbox have solved the issue of the person on the other end not understanding how to ftp. Seriously, any vendor who doesn't let you exchange a few gigs of files online every week, however you do it, is probably not up to speed on the rest of their scene either. How do you get the media to them, anyway? Messenger? Fedex? It adds up to much more than a little investment in an online privately shared encrypted folder setup, and it's easier to deal with than it might sound.
Many large, content-creation firms (studios, post-houses, etc) have shifted to Aspera.
We're not going to see an end to the need for Ethernet though. Any of the three customers I've just mentioned have on average, a staggering number of Macs. The daily data transfer rates would make the best WiFi networks melt.
I could live without both as long as I can hook up an optical drive through thunderbolt and have a thunderbolt to ethernet adapter so that you don't have to get pathetic 10/100 speeds from that lousy usb to ethernet adapter. The biggest thing for me is getting a real video card, not some integrated, toy card from Intel. That and if you are getting rid of the hard drives from SSDs, at least make the upgrading substantially cheaper and offer comparable storage. Paying an additional $1,100 for a 512 GB SSD to replace the standard 750 HD is ridiculous...
I agree that Apple needs to get competitive on SSD pricing if they wish to retain thought leaders and tech pros with their high end MBPs (MBAs?) ...
As for gig eth & the rest, I'm just getting a 27" TB Cinema Display for all that. A high-end graphics chip needs to be onboard however, to drive what I hope will be a retina display (or close) on these laptops.
While I agree, I expect the next generation MBA to have an option of 8 GB of RAM on the motherboard. The Pro may have the option to go to 16 GB.
My gawd, I hope so! The memory size of 4GB is the *only* reason I don't own a 13.3" MBA already and I've told this to numerous Apple retail employees every time I walk into an Apple store!
I first thought that this would have been a great compromise, giving people a nice way to make a dual drive MacBook Pro. A lot of people like having that 750 to 1000 GB hard disk in their laptop. But I think the spinning Hard Disk is no longer appropriate for a portables.
I want Apple to blow us away with a completely solid state MacBook Pro. Putting in slots for two or three "MBA" style SSDs and then update Disk Utility so that you could create a RAID array across the drives. That would offer more capacity and/or better performance and/or maybe a little data redundancy. Larger disk-based storage devices could be accessed via the Thunderbolt Port, a USB 3.0 port, Ethernet Port, or the new wireless AirPort (802.11ac). That's a nice variety of connectivity options...
I may take a lot of flak for saying this, but the 2.5" drive form factor is a waste of space. That space would better be used to beef up the battery. The bigger battery can drive a brighter display, with more pixels (retina), and better graphics chip, all the while delivering more hours of happy usage.
You're arguing some things that don't really make a difference. Brighter isn't better in terms of displays. It's not really needed unless you feel they grow too dim as they age. There are far better ways to improve a display than raising its maximum luminance.
I don't mind the MBA style ssds, but you should consider cost here. That kind of density is most likely very expensive. I'm sure the idea would sell, but I don't know that you'd feel the difference as much as you expect.
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The iPhone 5 will be called the iPhone.
The MacBook Air will be called the MacBook
I think there won't be a Pro version anymore. I think the 15" MacBook will have the following:
64GB SSD for the O/S
500GB microdrive for applications and files
No optical disk
Thunderbolt
USB 3.0 (50% chance it could still be USB 2.0 which would suck. Depends if Apple thinks USB 3.0 will cannibalize Thunderbolt or not)
Wifi ac (Apple will be first to market with this 3x speed upgrade from Wifi n)
The powerbrick will have the following features:
1. Gigabit ethernet port.
2. Thunderbolt cable with integrated power and gigabit ethernet (over thunderbolt) from the power brick to a magsafe connector on the MacBook. This will be a specific custom cable but that's ok for this application.
3. Separate Thunderbolt connector on the power brick to connect one or more CinemaDisplay monitors.
The above powerbrick option will let a person connect one magsafe connector to charge the MacBook, give you gigabit ethernet over thunderbolt, and connect CinemaDisplay(s), all over one cable connection. Keeping it simple is the Apple way.
The iPad 3 is now the iPad.
The iPhone 5 will be called the iPhone.
The MacBook Air will be called the MacBook
I think there won't be a Pro version anymore. I think the 15" MacBook will have the following:
64GB SSD for the O/S
500GB microdrive for applications and files
No optical disk
Thunderbolt
USB 3.0 (50% chance it could still be USB 2.0 which would suck)
Wifi ac (Apple will be first to market with this 3x speed upgrade from Wifi n)
The powerbrick will have the following features:
1. Gigabit ethernet port.
2. Thunderbolt cable with integrated power and gigabit ethernet (over thunderbolt) from the power brick to a magsafe connector on the MacBook. This will be a specific custom cable but that's ok for this application.
3. Separate Thunderbolt connector on the power brick to connect a CinemaDisplay monitor.
The above powerbrick option will let a person connect one magsafe connector to charge the MacBook, give you gigabit ethernet over thunderbolt, and connect a CinemaDisplay, all over one cable connection. Keeping in simple is the Apple way.
Throw in Retina and it's sold so far as I am concerned.
I hope they don't just simply add a 15" MBA.
I'd rather see the MBA and MBP combined into one all new exciting design, preferably in black rather than silver.
black ! God no, lets not go back to that monstrosity...
No, that's baloney. The Air at it's widest has more than enough room to accommodate it. They could stick it on the back where I've seen numerous other laptops put them.
How would you then open up the lid?. With the screen up it covers the entire back panel.
This design is very elegant. I cannot see them dropping it in a month of sundays?
Who knows? Maybe all these nebulous rumors were triggered when some leaker saw the enclosure for the new 15" MacBook Pro. Thinner, like the MacBook Air. More tapered, like the MacBook Air. No optical drive, like the MacBook Air. None of those changes should surprise anyone in the slightest.
Remember, way back in January 2008, when the first MacBook Air was announced? Steve Jobs pulled one out of that manila envelope and said "We think it's the future of notebooks." The tag line for MacBook Air ads was "The future of notebooks." Well it's been more than four years since then. That particular future is now.
The air is the future... post pc era..... blah blah..
They say this stuff because it sounds cool. These rumors are nothing more than bloggers trying to pick a winner. You really don't need credible information when the rumor already plays into popular opinion.
I want a Macbook Pro with a Retina Display!
+10000000 on this
There area couple convenience issues with that idea but the biggest problem is the ability to transport. There have been a couple machines that did just that but they take the ethernet and convert to WiFi so it's even slower than using a USB dongle for 100BASE-T. The only feasible way around this is to use and optical cable for data in the power cable. So we're talking LightPeak that isn't even on the market, but then you'll need a controller in the power supply to convert to copper ethernet which I don't think warrants the cost in and of itself.
If they do go the optical route and it is pricey, maybe that coincides with the merging of the lines? Buy a Macbook and it comes with a standard power brick and no onboard ethernet port. But they also sell an optional "Pro" power supply/port. Found the original article that mentioned the patent:
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...connector.html
We'll now have the 11" Macbook, 13" Macbook, 15" Macbook, and in a few months the 17" Macbook.
it's a matter when
and this
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/n...-battery/18985
makes me think we're going to see unheard of battery life in portables really soon
Apple will drop both the "Air" and the "Pro" monikers with a move similar to what they did with the new iPad.
We'll now have the 11" Macbook, 13" Macbook, 15" Macbook, and in a few months the 17" Macbook.
Not likely.
Apple didn't merge the Mac Mini, iMac and Mac Pro products into a single product line and I don't see any reason why they'd do it with laptops.
Or they could offer a dual-drive system that uses both the SSD card found in the MBAs and a 2.5" SSD/HDD drive
I first thought that this would have been a great compromise, giving people a nice way to make a dual drive MacBook Pro. A lot of people like having that 750 to 1000 GB hard disk in their laptop. But I think the spinning Hard Disk is no longer appropriate for a portables.
I want Apple to blow us away with a completely solid state MacBook Pro. Putting in slots for two or three "MBA" style SSDs and then update Disk Utility so that you could create a RAID array across the drives. That would offer more capacity and/or better performance and/or maybe a little data redundancy. Larger disk-based storage devices could be accessed via the Thunderbolt Port, a USB 3.0 port, Ethernet Port, or the new wireless AirPort (802.11ac). That's a nice variety of connectivity options...
I may take a lot of flak for saying this, but the 2.5" drive form factor is a waste of space. That space would better be used to beef up the battery. The bigger battery can drive a brighter display, with more pixels (retina), and better graphics chip, all the while delivering more hours of happy usage.
Not likely.
Apple didn't merge the Mac Mini, iMac and Mac Pro products into a single product line and I don't see any reason why they'd do it with laptops.
I couldn't disagree more. It makes perfect sense to have one name for the entire line: Macbook.
Really, why have two Macbook Air models 11" and 13" and two Macbook Pro models 15" and 17". They could call the 11" an Air, but why differentiate when they are all going to be Air-like slim according to the proposed rumors? Calling the larger, but aesthetically identical, laptops "Pro" seems superfluous.
I first thought that this would have been a great compromise, giving people a nice way to make a dual drive MacBook Pro. A lot of people like having that 750 to 1000 GB hard disk in their laptop. But I think the spinning Hard Disk is no longer appropriate for a portables.
I want Apple to blow us away with a completely solid state MacBook Pro. Putting in slots for two or three "MBA" style SSDs and then update Disk Utility so that you could create a RAID array across the drives. That would offer more capacity and/or better performance and/or maybe a little data redundancy. Larger disk-based storage devices could be accessed via the Thunderbolt Port, a USB 3.0 port, Ethernet Port, or the new wireless AirPort (802.11ac). That's a nice variety of connectivity options...
I may take a lot of flak for saying this, but the 2.5" drive form factor is a waste of space. That space would better be used to beef up the battery. The bigger battery can drive a brighter display, with more pixels (retina), and better graphics chip, all the while delivering more hours of happy usage.
They may go that route if they deem that internal storage isn't the most important aspect for a pro notebook. I'm thinking it still has its merits and selling points which is why I don't think the 2.5" drive can die quite yet.
It's a couple years now (maybe three) that I removed my ODD and replaced it with an OptiBay so I can place a HDD in that space. I then added a 2nd gen Intel X25 80GB SSD where the standard drive goes. Then in OS X System Preferences under Users I rerouted the entire HDD to become my user partition. This gives me the unique ability to have my system boot in under 10 seconds, wake from sleep in under 2 seconds, and launch pretty much every app instantly all while getting a substantial amount of storage. I now have a 1TB 9.5mm HDD for my user folder. It's the best of both world for me.
Right now, the ODD is a 13.7mm drive which allows one to use a 13.5mm thick HDD in the standard HDD bay. For Apple to waste less space while cost to GB go down slowly over the next few years they could use a 9.5mm max drive. Or, they could even go with a 7mm single platter drive. I think you can get about 500GB from them now, which may still be too small for many pro users.
Regardless, I hope they do offer a fast boot system with a lot of storage at a good price. Outside of that I don't care how they do it even though my criteria do limit the possibilities.
I actually prefer all ports in the back so the cables are not sticking out the side where you are likely to have a book, papers, a mouse, a cup of coffee etc.
Me too, like my old Pismo.
Won't happen so long as they use their current hinge design. I see no evidence that they would move from this hinge design.
Ah, good point.
Really? I've been using my 17" MBP since 2006 and haven't found it to be too much to 'lug around'. Sure, it's a big computer, but unless you're incredibly weak, a 6 pound computer instead of a 3 pound computer shouldn't make THAT much of a difference.
Would I like it to be lighter? Sure. But I wouldn't claim that it's not usable because of the size.
When I first got my 17' (July '09), I lugged it wherever I went. It was heavy, but compared to other 15 and 17 inchers, very luggable. Now that I've stopped carrying it except when I really need to, however, it does feel very heavy.
But I love the real estate of the 17", I don't think I could go smaller.
One person familiar with the new MacBook Pro designs said "they're all going to look like MacBook Airs."
Should it not be "Macbooks Air"?
ghostface, I feel your pain regarding vendors, but respectfully the hassle of getting them up to speed or switching vendors pales in comparison to the time you spend writing and labeling media.
It was borderline in maybe 2010 but in 2012 GoogleDocs and Dropbox have solved the issue of the person on the other end not understanding how to ftp. Seriously, any vendor who doesn't let you exchange a few gigs of files online every week, however you do it, is probably not up to speed on the rest of their scene either. How do you get the media to them, anyway? Messenger? Fedex? It adds up to much more than a little investment in an online privately shared encrypted folder setup, and it's easier to deal with than it might sound.
Many large, content-creation firms (studios, post-houses, etc) have shifted to Aspera.
We're not going to see an end to the need for Ethernet though. Any of the three customers I've just mentioned have on average, a staggering number of Macs. The daily data transfer rates would make the best WiFi networks melt.
(e.x: 60 seconds of Pro Res footage = 2GB)
I could live without both as long as I can hook up an optical drive through thunderbolt and have a thunderbolt to ethernet adapter so that you don't have to get pathetic 10/100 speeds from that lousy usb to ethernet adapter. The biggest thing for me is getting a real video card, not some integrated, toy card from Intel. That and if you are getting rid of the hard drives from SSDs, at least make the upgrading substantially cheaper and offer comparable storage. Paying an additional $1,100 for a 512 GB SSD to replace the standard 750 HD is ridiculous...
I agree that Apple needs to get competitive on SSD pricing if they wish to retain thought leaders and tech pros with their high end MBPs (MBAs?) ...
As for gig eth & the rest, I'm just getting a 27" TB Cinema Display for all that. A high-end graphics chip needs to be onboard however, to drive what I hope will be a retina display (or close) on these laptops.
While I agree, I expect the next generation MBA to have an option of 8 GB of RAM on the motherboard. The Pro may have the option to go to 16 GB.
My gawd, I hope so! The memory size of 4GB is the *only* reason I don't own a 13.3" MBA already and I've told this to numerous Apple retail employees every time I walk into an Apple store!
I first thought that this would have been a great compromise, giving people a nice way to make a dual drive MacBook Pro. A lot of people like having that 750 to 1000 GB hard disk in their laptop. But I think the spinning Hard Disk is no longer appropriate for a portables.
I want Apple to blow us away with a completely solid state MacBook Pro. Putting in slots for two or three "MBA" style SSDs and then update Disk Utility so that you could create a RAID array across the drives. That would offer more capacity and/or better performance and/or maybe a little data redundancy. Larger disk-based storage devices could be accessed via the Thunderbolt Port, a USB 3.0 port, Ethernet Port, or the new wireless AirPort (802.11ac). That's a nice variety of connectivity options...
I may take a lot of flak for saying this, but the 2.5" drive form factor is a waste of space. That space would better be used to beef up the battery. The bigger battery can drive a brighter display, with more pixels (retina), and better graphics chip, all the while delivering more hours of happy usage.
You're arguing some things that don't really make a difference. Brighter isn't better in terms of displays. It's not really needed unless you feel they grow too dim as they age. There are far better ways to improve a display than raising its maximum luminance.
I don't mind the MBA style ssds, but you should consider cost here. That kind of density is most likely very expensive. I'm sure the idea would sell, but I don't know that you'd feel the difference as much as you expect.
My ipad has some problem in video section. its video section is not working well. I am looking for it help. will anyone help me regarding this?
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