Tim Cook reportedly 'grilled' Path co-founder over privacy issue

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  • Reply 21 of 38
    The problem is fundamental. Companies continue to ignore the impact they have on consumers. The current way of resolving these problems tend to be "let's wait for something to break first, then may be we will look into it".



    So problem A comes up. Everyone on the internet beats up on it. Government gets involved. Months pass by, even years (privacy is still a huge issue) before anything gets resolved (if it does get resolved).



    Then problem B comes up. Then problem C. And so on. Wash. Rinse. Repeat. It is a piecemeal approach that doesn't work. In the meantime, companies still treat these problems as "What, me worry?"



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post


    While it is still the crooks fault for stealing if a bank leaves the alarm off and vault door open it's still the banks fault for not securing their valuables. For this I hold Apple responsible. I had no idea that one could get so much access to my user data simply by installing an iOS app. I thought the sandboxing, by definition, was designed to prevent that.



    But why are we only talking about iOS when desktop apps have even more lack security and usually all the same data we have on our phones? I'd like to see desktop apps locked down, too.



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  • Reply 22 of 38
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  • Reply 23 of 38
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    Originally Posted by Nishanth View Post


    These actions from Apple re affirms the faith customers have in them, unlike Google who have become have a huge global advertisement agency instead of the innovative company it began in the first place.



    Doesn't re-affirm anything to me. I don't care if Tim Cook gave a developer a grilling or not. Apple made the iPhone and App Store, Apple made the device so that they have to approve every app to protect there users and Apple promoted this fact. The fact that there are apps like this on iPhones is ultimately Apples fault! They gave users a reason to trust every app and they've let every user down by not checking them well enough.



    As a user I expect people to write apps to steal my data, but I expect Apple to stop them getting on my phone.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by habi View Post


    Apple really should have made a warning example of this developer what happens when you dont comply with the service rules. They should have been automaticaly kicked out from the store atleast for some time or forever if they did it on purpose.



    What so they can register again under a different name?
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  • Reply 24 of 38
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by timgriff84 View Post


    What so they can register again under a different name?



    Being a developer isn't like spambots and trolls on an online forum. You can't just go in again under a different name, otherwise you'll lose the tens of thousands you may have spent on all forms of advertising. And have to spend that money all over again to advertise your new names.
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  • Reply 25 of 38
    Which is why a reward and punishment system is a viable option.



    Compliant developers get perks and breaks. The biggest perks perhaps could be better visibility in the App Store, to the grand prize being the omission of Apple's 30% cut up to a certain amount of profit.



    Non-Compliant developers get the gutter, with varying degrees of enforcement. Many of these compliance issues seem to be rooted in either attention whoring or whatever profit maximizing tricks. These are problems that go well beyond putting more technical controls or addressing the issues on a piecemeal basis.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


    Being a developer isn't like spambots and trolls on an online forum. You can't just go in again under a different name, otherwise you'll lose the tens of thousands you may have spent on all forms of advertising. And have to spend that money all over again to advertise your new names.



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  • Reply 26 of 38
    technotechno Posts: 737member
    I have to say I am really beginning to like Tim Cook's style as top dog. He seems to have good instincts and is not afraid to do things that SJ would not have done.
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  • Reply 27 of 38
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by techno View Post


    I have to say I am really beginning to like Tim Cook's style as top dog. He seems to have good instincts and is not afraid to do things that SJ would not have done.



    I'm not sure Jobs wouldn't have done the things we've seen from Cook thus far but Cook, in reference to this story, seems a little more collected than Jobs would have been. Jobs seems to call people up directly, catch them off guard, and chew them out while Cook appears to give them a heads up, let them sweat it out a bit, and likely isn't saying too much but seeing if they dig their own grave. Neither seem afraid to confront issues head on.
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  • Reply 28 of 38
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    A new report claims Apple CEO Tim Cook harangued Dave Morin, co-founder of the company that developed the "Path" app, when he learned that the software was uploading users' address books to its servers without their permission.



    According to people familiar with the meeting, Cook "hauled" Morin into Apple's Cupertino, Calif., headquarters to be "grilled" by him and other executives after hearing of the privacy violation, Bloomberg BusinessWeek reported



    [ View article on AppleInsider ]



    This is a breach of contract case and, where the conversion (legal term for "theft") of private data has been accomplished, AAPL should bring a Contort action and a dilution of Trademark action against the company and the individual defendants. Apple's good name is at risk and the litigation is necessary to recoup the damages done by Path/Morin.



    It would serve as a deterrent to any other malware app creators and reassure Apple's customer base that Apple will not tolerate this kind of software on their systems (and, yes, Apple now has to patch iOS with code to check for this kind of breach, thus stealing processor cycles from end users, taking up valuable OS code space and costing the company additional OS development and upgrade expenses).



    Grill? I'd spit-roast every one of those jerks.
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  • Reply 29 of 38
    inkswampinkswamp Posts: 337member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by tinman0 View Post


    Path should have been kicked off the App Store and all the people involved should have been banned from any future Apple app.



    Uploading personal details from a users address book is unforgivable and a total breach of the trust we have with our devices.



    It's about time Apple made a scapegoat of a big developer.



    Are you kidding?



    I know we're all Apple users here and there's going to be a bit of bias, but gimme a break! This is about 90% Apple's fault and 10% Path's fault. Apple should have had better restrictions in place on what any given app can access from the start. Sure, you can argue that Path shouldn't have done it and that they broke some developer guidelines, but FFS, it's a no-brainer to build into the system some kind of protection for the user's personal info and an official way via the API for developers to access it so users can approve or reject. They do that already with location data. They couldn't make the logical next jump to personal data/addresses?



    If you think Apple should ban any companies responsible, then fine but I guess Apple is going to have to remove all their own apps from the App store right after they ban Path.
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  • Reply 30 of 38
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by inkswamp View Post


    This is about 90% Apple's fault and 10% Path's fault. Apple should have had better restrictions in place on what any given app can access from the start.



    I'm sort of jumping in the middle here, but should car manufacturers be held liable for people who speed and kill others because there wasn't a restriction put in place such that the car CANNOT speed?



    Apologies if that analogy is irrelevant in this case, but I don't think it is.



    I have hands, see? I can pick up objects, chuck them at people, and they could very well be hurt or die. It's MY responsibility to not do that. I have the ability to be a killer and I have the ability to be a healer. Acting in one form or another is up to me. Similarly, within iOS there's the ability to steal many forms of your users' information. I don't think morality is different for different people, but I guess it could be a question of not considering the theft of your users' personal information to be amoral…
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  • Reply 31 of 38
    inkswampinkswamp Posts: 337member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


    I'm sort of jumping in the middle here, but should car manufacturers be held liable for people who speed and kill others because there wasn't a restriction put in place such that the car CANNOT speed?



    Apologies if that analogy is irrelevant in this case, but I don't think it is.



    I have hands, see? I can pick up objects, chuck them at people, and they could very well be hurt or die. It's MY responsibility to not do that. I have the ability to be a killer and I have the ability to be a healer. Acting in one form or another is up to me. Similarly, within iOS there's the ability to steal many forms of your users' information. I don't think morality is different for different people, but I guess it could be a question of not considering the theft of your users' personal information to be amoral?



    I think your analogy is off slightly. It wasn't the users (i.e., drivers) who were to blame. Let's say it this way: should the car manufacturer be held liable if they leave a glaring flaw in their car's design such that a person can take control of the car remotely and run someone over with it? I say yes.



    If you insist on sticking with your analogy, then let's apply it to a real world example other than Apple. Let's consider how that analogy applies to Microsoft. Your analogy would allow Microsoft to get off the hook 100% for all the security problems they've allowed to creep into Windows over the years and would lay the blame for viruses and security problems completely at the feet of malware creators and hackers. I don't agree with that in the very same way I don't agree Apple should be completely off the hook for this.
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  • Reply 32 of 38
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


    I'm sort of jumping in the middle here, but should car manufacturers be held liable for people who speed and kill others because there wasn't a restriction put in place such that the car CANNOT speed?



    Apologies if that analogy is irrelevant in this case, but I don't think it is.



    I have hands, see? I can pick up objects, chuck them at people, and they could very well be hurt or die. It's MY responsibility to not do that. I have the ability to be a killer and I have the ability to be a healer. Acting in one form or another is up to me. Similarly, within iOS there's the ability to steal many forms of your users' information. I don't think morality is different for different people, but I guess it could be a question of not considering the theft of your users' personal information to be amoral?





    Bad choice of analogy, since Apple should review the apps more carefully, when going through the approval process. Car manufactures can not review a person's speed habits and correct them unless, there place a GPS system into the car and cut off the engine when their speed. Thats not going to happen.

    BUT apple has the situation, it reviews the app before going 'live' needs to do better job.

    Quality control policy with approval process needs to be tighter.
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  • Reply 33 of 38
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by souliisoul View Post


    ?unless, there place a GPS system into the car and cut off the engine when their speed. Thats not going to happen.



    It already does?



    Quote:

    Quality control policy with approval process needs to be tighter.



    I love that we have both sides here on the forum and both are sometimes completely right. "We need TIGHTER restrictions on what Apple approves!" "No, Apple needs to give more freedom!" It's a great dichotomy, and Apple's one of the few companies that can balance that and do it right.
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